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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Dec 15 16:48:29 2007, in response to busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 16:35:56 2007. Hmm and its even posted on all end doors.as for rule : Restricted Area's and facilities. D]No person may ride on the roof, platform between subway cars or on any other area outside any subway car or bus or other conveyance operated by the Authority. No person may use the end doors of a subway car to pass from one subway car to another except in an emergency or when directed to do so by an Authority conductor or a New York City police officer. So get out your wallet and have a merry Xmass |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 16:56:39 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Dec 15 16:48:29 2007. I know theyre posted on the doors, but they only ticket whenever the hell they feel like it. and I go to Woodlawn at least once a week and RARELY is there any cops on the platform. Today I saw 4 cops and the doors on my "getaway" train didnt close fast enough.Bottom Line: Youre more likely to get a yellin by someone from the RTO office than see a cop at that station. Today, not the case. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Dec 15 17:00:39 2007, in response to busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 16:35:56 2007. Fight it anywayThere is always a good chance you can beat it. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Dec 15 17:02:02 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 16:56:39 2007. Its like the Lotto sometimes you miss sometimes you hit.Today was your day :-) |
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Posted by vfrt on Sat Dec 15 17:03:40 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 16:56:39 2007. Looks like you broke the rule but I would have cut you some slack because the train was not in motion. Cops up there must not have much to do. Has the local Dunkin' Donuts closed down? |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 17:11:14 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by vfrt on Sat Dec 15 17:03:40 2007. Theres no Dunkin' Donuts there. Just a diner by the w20 stop, a cemetery, and a park.As for the train itself, it was charging up after it got indication to leave the station. Like I said, that and my clean record didnt mean shit to them. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Dec 15 17:11:59 2007, in response to busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 16:35:56 2007. Unfortunately the rule includes moving between cars when the train is stopped :-( |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 17:51:35 2007, in response to busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 16:35:56 2007. "Clean record wasnt worth shit and I still got the $75 ticket anyways"A clean record doesn't excuse your current misconduct. A clean record means the officer found no wants or warrants for you and no interview advisories. Had you not had a "clean record" they would have arrested you on whatever outstanding charges you might have had. You have two options: 1) You can pay the ticket. 2) Youcan ask for a court date and hope the officer is too busy to show up. If the officer is a "no show," the judge will dismiss the violation. Stop walking between subway cars. Yes, it's illegal even if the train is stopped. Or, if you continue doing it, stop whining about being ticketed. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 17:55:33 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 17:11:14 2007. Like I said, that and my clean record didnt mean shit to them.Nah, they probably wanted to run you to see if arrest was warranted would be my guess. Remember, NYPD has to raise money for NYC.... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 15 18:08:34 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 17:11:14 2007. If it wasn't a clean record, if there were wants and warrants out, they they would have dragged you away.Heck, I've been walking between cars since I was a kid, moving or not. The Arnines were the tops! I'd also get out on the bottom step of an LIRR train as it swept into the (low platform in those days) station, one foot on the step, one hand on the grab iron, a typical two pointer! ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 15 18:09:04 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by R30A on Sat Dec 15 17:00:39 2007. Yup... my advice too. Train wasn't moving.ROAR |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 18:10:44 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 17:51:35 2007. First of all, I dont need you talking shit to me. Second, I know what I did is illegal. Third, I got the court date written on the ticket (1/15/08) And lastly, STFU. No wonder people call you "RonIsBS" |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 18:13:34 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 18:10:44 2007. "First of all, I dont need you talking shit to me."Then don't post here. You don't get to pick who responds to your posts. If you want that, there are other websites you can go to. You have a court date? Good. Let us know what happens. Try not to sound like an idiot to the judge if the officer does show up. I know that may be hard for you, but try anyway. |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 18:14:56 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 17:55:33 2007. Yeah, MTA's crying poor anyways... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 15 18:16:47 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 18:13:34 2007. Best approach is: "Yes I walked between the cars, but the train was still stopped at its terminal, so I thought it was OK." Ask the judge to dismiss it.ROAR |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 18:19:13 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 18:13:34 2007. OOO, my first flamewar, im so scared :P. I'd keep going, but I have better things to do than sit in front of a computer talking to a POS who clearly needs a life (and some therapy) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 18:19:13 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 15 18:16:47 2007. It might work. He can try it. The likelihood that the officer will show up, though, is maybe 50-50 at best. The judge will say "How do you plead," he'll say "Not guilty," and the judge will look around for a moment and then say "Dismissed." |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 18:20:59 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 18:19:13 2007. If you want to jerk yourself off in front of your computer, by all means have a good time. I would think you'd enjoy it more with a woman, and you could get busted for doing it against a subway car, but hey, whatever makes you happy... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 15 18:21:43 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 18:19:13 2007. Last time I was in traffic court, a long long time ago, be fore some of you young whippersnappers were born, The judge accepted my not guilty plea, and then set a date when the officer could be there. The officer didn't show on that second date, and so I walked.ROAR |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 18:23:55 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 15 18:21:43 2007. I think the courts are too overloaded these days for that. You get a court date by phone; the officer gets notice of it at the stationhouse (or some variation of this) and then you show up. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Dec 15 18:25:41 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 17:51:35 2007. remember dumb rules are created to fulfill quotas. besides they got to waste time w/ a non violent person who did NOTHING to anyone else. beats actual law enforcement. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 18:27:32 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Dec 15 18:25:41 2007. No, rules are created to regulate conduct. If you follow the rules there is no ticket and no money collected."besides they got to waste time w/ a non violent person who did NOTHING to anyone else. beats actual law enforcement." This is a childish comment. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 18:33:36 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 18:14:56 2007. Yeah, MTA's crying poor anyways...I don't know whether MTA receives all or some of the money, or if it goes NYPD, or if it goes into the City's general coffers. Anyone know the answer? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 15 18:54:49 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Dec 15 18:25:41 2007. The RULE was created to protect people from injury, and to give officers a legitimate reason to require miscreants, saleskids, itinerant preachers etc to detrain for identification. It also by the way, allows the arrest of those with wants and warrants. It is a good excuse to stop and question, which is the big issue here, although I guess a 75$ fine doesn't hurt the city either.So you see, doing this does screen for wants and warrants, which *is* crime prevention in and of itself. Still, I'd not entrap peeps for this issue. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 15 18:55:19 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 18:33:36 2007. City General Fund.ROAR |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 19:01:42 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 18:27:32 2007. rules are created to regulate conduct. If you follow the rules there is no ticket and no money collected.True, but in terms of rules-enforcement priorities, stuff like this leaves many people with nothing but great antipathy toward police, especially when police do not enforce rules against thuggish persons. Police are allowed discretion to enforce rules, and to the extent that public sentiment is that police aren't exercising that discretion with due care, community-police relations can become strained. I've been left with the impression that some police officers on the subway are simply lazy. Just this past week, I was on an A train bound for Ozone Park, and someone was apparently holding the doors at Penn Station, which held the train up. Several of us eyeballed the officer as the conductor repeated his announcement to not hold the doors. But the officer in question was too busy flirting with a woman. I'm fairly sure that because this was a police officer, that was the reason that none of us in the car asked him what the hell was going on, but I'm also sure that our respect for police was diminished by the incident. Anyway, a long way of saying that to the extent a police officer is allowed discretion - and maybe in this case he was instructed that there was zero-tolerance and accompanied by a supervisor, or maybe he had a certain feeling about the person he ticketed, or whatever - and generally issuing a summons for this type of incident doesn't foster good relations with the public. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 15 19:05:33 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 18:19:13 2007. Excellent post. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 19:05:45 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 19:01:42 2007. "But the officer in question was too busy flirting with a woman. I'm fairly sure that because this was a police officer, that was the reason that none of us in the car asked him what the hell was going on, but I'm also sure that our respect for police was diminished by the incident."Did you ask him to intervene? I would have. "...but in terms of rules-enforcement priorities, stuff like this leaves many people with nothing but great antipathy toward police, especially when police do not enforce rules against thuggish persons..." Most of the time, that doesn't hold water, because the person making that complaint is basically saying "I judge the rule I broke to be unimportant. Why don't you go arrest somebody who broke a rule I think IS important." |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 15 19:15:07 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 15 18:54:49 2007. No, that is NOT why the rule was created. Did you not read SubChat back when this rule was created? It was made pretty clear the the prevailing opinion is that the NYCT lawyers pushed for this rule in order to help protect them from future lawsuit, and it has NOTHING to do with protecting people from injury. In the last like 9 years or something, like 75% of the cases of people dying were people doing bad things between cars, not just walking between cars. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 19:26:06 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 15 19:15:07 2007. In the last like 9 years or something, like 75% of the cases of people dying were people doing bad things between cars, not just walking between cars.And as to the other 25% ? My feeling is that courts should, as a matter of public policy, simply bar recovery for "people doing bad things between cars". |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 19:27:53 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 19:26:06 2007. That is very difficult to accomplish. |
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Posted by Bergit on Sat Dec 15 19:34:17 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 15 19:15:07 2007. Your statistis seem rediculously incorrect. I'd say 99% of peopple passing between cars do so just to go from 1 car to another. Do you have any documents to support your claim? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Dec 15 19:35:06 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 19:05:45 2007. Yes, Ron, precisely the rule in question is way beyond unimportant, and does indeed reduce citizen/taxpayer respect for the police. As to our collective and individual rights to judge laws, that is what we are taught makes us free as opposed to victims of authoritarian states. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 19:36:11 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 19:05:45 2007. Did you ask him to intervene? I would have.It was fairly obvious that several people in addition to myself made deliberate eye contact, and that didn't work. Frankly, beyond that, none of us, I assume, wanted to confront a police officer on how to do his job. In essence, my claim is merely that a police officer in situations described in the original post shouldn't issue a summons unless there's suspicious behavior. We all know, e.g., that on certain roads, police do not ticket motorists going within a certain range of speed over the legal limit, and that strict enforcement would result in a lot more tickets being issued. The police have made the call that unless there is something suspicious, they won't issue a summons unless, say, the motorist is operating, say, 15 mph over the limit. On the LIE in eastern Queens, the speed limit is 50 mph and one rarely finds a vehicle operated that slowly; my feeling is that the police won't generally issue a summons unless there's suspicious or other unlawful behavior unless someone is, say, going over 65-70 mph. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Dec 15 19:40:57 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 19:36:11 2007.  ...or doesn't have NY plates. Some years ago, we got a speeding ticket in North Carolina or something like that. We were speeding, yes, but we weren't going any faster than any other driver on the road. It may have been unsafe to obey the speed limit, even! The reason we got pulled over was because we had NY plates and the cops figured we wouldn't be able to stick around and fight the ticket. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 19:41:30 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 19:27:53 2007. That is very difficult to accomplish.Granted. But I still think MTA should shoot for that goal, whether legislatively or judicially. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 19:45:07 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Bergit on Sat Dec 15 19:34:17 2007. I'd say 99% of peopple passing between cars do so just to go from 1 car to another.I think you're right, but that doesn't necessarily undermine Mr. Terrapin Station's claim, though, since he alleges that "like 75%" of fatalities involved "people doing bad things between cars". That said, the rule does operate to limit MTA's liability in lawsuits. Personally, I'm inclined to think that sound enforcement policies by police would cure most problems. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Dec 15 19:45:22 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Nilet on Sat Dec 15 19:40:57 2007. Oh Oh another paranoid Nilet story, Bad Cops out to get Nilet Family news at 11 |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Dec 15 19:45:49 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 19:41:30 2007. No. What we need is for someone to sue based on injuries suffered running from one car to another on a slippery platform, who would have been able to take his/her time and cross slowly and safely between cars if that were legal. Or someone who gets attacked on the subway, who sues on the grounds that the Empty Yay made it illegal for him/her to escape the attackers by walking to the next car. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Dec 15 19:46:36 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Dec 15 19:45:22 2007. Oh, come on! I wasn't even driving! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 19:47:18 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Dec 15 19:35:06 2007. As to our collective and individual rights to judge laws, that is what we are taught makes us free as opposed to victims of authoritarian states.Well, you can't go too far the other way, either, or else the whole system collapses, one way or the other. Police using sound discretion before they issue summonses would seem to me a good alternative to either extreme. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 15 19:47:39 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Nilet on Sat Dec 15 19:40:57 2007. Wah, Wah, Wah, Wah, Mommy ..........they are picking on me again. Don't you ever tire of playing the poor victim of authoritative injustice? |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Dec 15 19:47:49 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Dec 15 19:45:22 2007. Not necessarily - Southern cops are well known for that - hell - some are still fighting the Civil War ;-) |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 19:49:49 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Nilet on Sat Dec 15 19:46:36 2007. LOL -Also on interstate highways, police tend to, per capita, pull over more out-of-state vehicles, partly because these fit so-called drug courier profiles, partly because as you say out-of-staters will just pay the fine without a struggle, and partly because of the old saw to not piss where you eat and so pull over people who don't pay your salaries. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 15 19:50:41 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 18:10:44 2007. Um, Ron and I tend to disagree a lot, but he is right on the mark on this one. It is illegal, having a clean record doesn't change that. You do it at your own risk, and while I agree the chances of someone getting busted for doin git are small, they do exist, and you got unlucky. Sorry it had to happen that way, better luck next time. |
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Posted by Bergit on Sat Dec 15 19:50:48 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 19:45:07 2007. I most certainly agree with your clarification. I just wonder where Mr. Terrapin got his numbers from. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 19:54:46 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Nilet on Sat Dec 15 19:45:49 2007. What we need is for someone to sue based on injuries suffered running from one car to another on a slippery platform, who would have been able to take his/her time and cross slowly and safely between cars if that were legal.I'm not following.... Has there been a severe derailment in this example so that the cars on the platform? Or someone who gets attacked on the subway, who sues on the grounds that the Empty Yay made it illegal for him/her to escape the attackers by walking to the next car. The regulation doesn't forbid fleeing your attackers, and even if it did - which it doesn't - find me the person who doesn't flee because of your hypothetical rule and I'll pin a medal for idiocy on him/her. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 19:55:32 2007, in response to busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 16:35:56 2007. In your case, you can fight it, but if the officer shows up to testify, your chances of winning may not be very good, as the NYC Transit Authority rules are very explicit, even at terminals. Since the car doors were open, the officer could claim one could have walked down the platform instead...assuming there wasn't ice, or the car wasn't burning hot.Your best hope is to hope the officer doesn't show up. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 19:57:37 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 18:33:36 2007. IINM, the money all goes to the city's coffers. But that is why the MTA should reinstate its own police force, so that it keeps its fine money. The MTA Police could then raid the NYPD, because the pay is higher, although lower than everyone else in the region except the NYPD. |
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