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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 19:59:19 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Bergit on Sat Dec 15 19:50:48 2007. I just wonder where Mr. Terrapin got his numbers from.I don't even know that they keep statistics on that sort of thing. I do know that a number of incidents involve urinating between cars, but that's only anecdotal evidence. Maybe Terrapin Station will post his source or basis for estimation; I too am curious. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 19:59:52 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Nilet on Sat Dec 15 19:45:49 2007. In such a case, however, the NYPD would find it easier to just settle the lawsuit, because they in no way want the law to be put on trial. Now, if the plaintiff insists on a jury trial, the NYPD would have to just pay up...but the test case would have to be a perfectly clean person.Remember, Rosa Parks was the THIRD attempt at a test case for the NAACP. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:04:26 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 15 19:15:07 2007. However, if someone then slipped on the rough platform...I have, and gotten seriously injured (fortunately, I haven't)...because (s)he couldn't walk between cars safely at the station...that would expose the state and NYPD to liability, with the specific train being entered as evidence as well as the platform surface...and juries don't tend to be favorable to the MTA. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:06:21 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 15 19:50:41 2007. However, what is a bigger problem is when a plainclothes officer stops someone, and the person thinks it is a robbery (but the officer turns out to be real).As for the original case, I would recommend to the original poster to just pay the fine, because the chances of winning are slim. The defense of being unable to stand when the next car is clearly empty can't be used here (of course the officer then may just say that the passenger should have considered applying for paratransit). |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 15 20:06:51 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Nilet on Sat Dec 15 19:45:49 2007. Are you such a big fool in real life or do you just play one on Subchat? Show me either explicitly or impliciitly where that law states that it is illegal to pass from car to car in an emergency. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 20:08:33 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 19:57:37 2007. There used to be an arrangement where speeding violations something like 20 mph over the limit got split with the county in the question; perhaps it still is.Maybe MTA could work out such an arrangement so that it kept more of the money made on violations? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:08:54 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 15 19:50:41 2007. Not helping matters, of course, is that SEPTA, WMATA, MBTA, and the TTC have all banned moving between cars (although SEPTA doesn't lock the doors between cars).Now, would a defense if someone is ticketed on the 3 that (s)he needed to get to the first 5 cars for 145 Street (or to South Ferry on the 1) be a valid defense? (The back part of trains at both stations DOES NOT OPEN.) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 15 20:09:21 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:06:21 2007. I would recommend that the original poster pay the fine because he is guilty. Maybe the lesson he learns from paying that fine will cause him to think next time and maybe one day even save him from injury. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:10:29 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 15 20:06:51 2007. Some officers may not consider it enough of an emergency, however, and still write the ticket. For instance, one officer may not consider a hot car enough of an emergency, or a car with a homeless person (or persons) causing the car to be emptied out enough of an emergency. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:11:48 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 15 20:09:21 2007. And there isn't any mitigating circumstance I can see that could help him fight it (i.e., hot car, homeless persons who make you want to throw up---see the E for many case in points if you dare, being unable to stand up because of a disability (and seeing the next car with available seats). |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 20:16:15 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 19:59:52 2007. Getting a good plaintiff for impact cases is essential. A lawsuit is a competition for the law's favor.Moreover, Thurgood Marshall and his mentor, Charles Hamilton Houston, and other LDF attorneys had excellent foresight in taking a step-by-step approach to desegregation - their first move was not for desegregation in primary school education; they laid the groundwork with precedents and then attacked. Many of today's public interest law firms - on the right, left, or in between - are far too romantic in that they fail to lay the proper groundwork for their ambitions to be implemented. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:16:59 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 15 20:09:21 2007. Well, there isn't any mitigating circumstance I can see that could help him fight it (i.e., hot car, homeless persons who make you want to throw up---see the E for many case in points if you dare, being unable to stand up because of a disability (and seeing the next car with available seats).If there was one, I would say to fight it. If this happened to me, I would claim the third if the train is well en route, because I cannot stand for long periods of time without problems. However, which is the definition of an emergency? That is something a judge would have to rule on. But if there was ice on the platform, and the officer forced the poster into a dangerous condition, I would fight it there. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 20:19:34 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:16:59 2007. However, which is the definition of an emergency? That is something a judge would have to rule on. But if there was ice on the platform, and the officer forced the poster into a dangerous condition, I would fight it there.It's got to be a real reason, not a made-up one. The emergency exception to the rule should be sued for emergencies not simply to get out of tickets. |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 20:19:56 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 15 18:54:49 2007. "The RULE was created to protect people from injury"What injury occurs when yuore walking between cars and the damn thing isnt moving? Like I said earlier, the train had gotten indication to leave and was in the process of doing so. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Dec 15 20:21:00 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 19:47:18 2007. I am not talking anarchy here, but most of us disobey various laws daily whether using substances not currently legal, distributing copyrighted materials, or left turns after the light has turned red. And none of us have ever jaywalked, right? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 15 20:25:53 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:08:54 2007. The WMATA end doors aren't locked either, but everyone thinks they are. Then again, you must be out of your mind to switch cars when the train is going 75 MPH and there are no handholds there.I don't think the defense of the doors not opening at those stations is valid. You should know where to board the train or move along the platform at a prior station. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 15 20:26:34 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 15 20:09:21 2007. I would recommend that the original poster pay the fine because he is guilty.This is a concept many on this board don't seem to understand in this or in any other similar circumstance (i.e. no food on WMATA). |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 20:32:24 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 19:55:32 2007. "Since the car doors were open"1. only one door set was open per car (an R142 feature that prevents the inside of the train cars to freeze up.) 2. said it before, said it again. the train got the go-ahead to leave the station and was preparing to do so at the time. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 20:34:19 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 20:19:56 2007. What injury occurs when yuore walking between cars and the damn thing isnt moving? Like I said earlier, the train had gotten indication to leave and was in the process of doing so.The train COULD HAVE been moving. That's all that state would have to show in a challenge against the regulation. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 20:42:00 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Dec 15 20:21:00 2007. I am not talking anarchy here, but most of us disobey various laws daily whether using substances not currently legal, distributing copyrighted materials, or left turns after the light has turned red. And none of us have ever jaywalked, right?Never! I've NEVER jaywalked...... I know that MTA complains they need the regulation to protect against their liability, that NTSB has advised it, and further, the state makes a lot of money off the rule an even some arrests. Here are some statistics: In December 2005, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority made it illegal to move between the cars of a subway train. Before that, it had been illegal only to ride between cars on a moving train, said Paul J. Fleuranges, a spokesman for New York City Transit. The result has been a sharp increase in the number of tickets handed out for moving or riding between cars, to 3,600 last year from 700 in 2005. This year, [through about March 2007] the police have handed out 1,955 such summonses. As to what constitutes an emergency, I heard Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Browne say that police were not looking to give those who moved to flee hot conditions or dangerous persons summonses on WNYC's Brian Lehrer show, either this week or last. |
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Posted by Alex L. on Sat Dec 15 20:42:10 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 18:27:32 2007. It might be childish, but that doesn't stop it from being true. In the course of the last 12 months, I've been stopped three times - while in uniform - by NYPD and threatened with a ticket for walking between cars. All three were invited to write all they wanted, but told they would have to follow me because I was dealing with a problem and didn't have time to play. Not one took me up on the offer.It shouldn't take much on their part to realize that a person wearing a NYCT uniform and a bright orange safety vest that says NYC Transit is probably moving from car to car with a purpose. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:44:27 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 15 20:25:53 2007. However, there is one case where even that won't help you. Say you are rushing for a 3 train at the rear of the 110 Street Station, bound for 145 Street. Walking up one car at each station using the platform leaves you two cars short of where the doors will open. At 96 Street, one would end up one car short. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 20:47:59 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Alex L. on Sat Dec 15 20:42:10 2007. In the course of the last 12 months, I've been stopped three times - while in uniform - by NYPD and threatened with a ticket for walking between cars. All three were invited to write all they wanted, but told they would have to follow me because I was dealing with a problem and didn't have time to play. Not one took me up on the offer.It shouldn't take much on their part to realize that a person wearing a NYCT uniform and a bright orange safety vest that says NYC Transit is probably moving from car to car with a purpose.Wow.... Just: wow.... |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 20:49:01 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:16:59 2007. "But if there was ice on the platform, and the officer forced the poster into a dangerous condition, I would fight it there."there was the POTENTIAL for ice since the snow from Thursday's storm was melting from the canopy above. Actual ice, IDK, I was busy getting interrogated, sitting on a cold bench in the middle of the platform for C/Rs and all to see. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 20:52:53 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:44:27 2007. I know on LIRR, passengers are often directed to move forward or back by the train crew to locate themselves in the platforming cars, e.g., "We have a 12-car train, this evening, with the last two cars closed. You must be located in one of the rear 4 open cars to exit at Murray Hill. Please move back now if you've not already done so to exit."Again, discretion on the part of police is required, otherwise if they make a mess of it, there would be a push to have the regulation amended, and it would probably be a less effective tool for law enforcement. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:53:01 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Alex L. on Sat Dec 15 20:42:10 2007. Then the law needs to be rewritten to exclude NYCTA personnel in the performance of official duties. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:54:31 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 20:34:19 2007. However, in such a case, it is basically a tossup, depending on which judge you get. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 20:56:57 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 20:16:15 2007. Very nicely argued. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 20:57:43 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:53:01 2007. Then the law needs to be rewritten to exclude NYCTA personnel in the performance of official duties.If a policeman is THAT stupid to ticket a NYCT employee performing his duties, he shouldn't be able to make it through the academy, and should be put to sleep humanely by his instructors there. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 20:59:17 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:54:31 2007. Not really a toss-up -- I doubt that any judge can toss out the rule as arbitrary and capricious. At least not without reversal. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 21:00:31 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 19:36:11 2007. "Frankly, beyond that, none of us, I assume, wanted to confront a police officer on how to do his job."You needn't criticize him. Just present him with a complaint, and ask him to intervene. He can then choose to intervene, or not. One would hope he'd respond to your request affirmatively, but of course since I wasn't there, I couldn't know that for sure. Im just saying that Iwould have asked. |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 21:00:35 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 20:52:53 2007. "discretion on the part of police is required."I want to see a cop on the Shuttle platform at Grand Central, with the 2-minute headways during rush hours. A lot of people walk between cars at the GC Shuttle platform b/c the trains can leave at a moment's notice. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Dec 15 21:03:29 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 15 18:21:43 2007. I'm not sure if it's the same at transit adjudication court but in traffic court in NYC it's not an automatic dismissal if the officer doesn't show. It's up to the judge's discretion and I've seen many times where a judge rescheduled the case, sometimes even more than once. Conversely, I've also seen many dismissals.An officer just doesn't not show up. They are scheduled for traffic court so there has to be a good reason for a no-show, ie: sick, emergency, vacation, appearance at a higher court such as criminal, supreme, or grand jury, a screw up in assignments, or even retirement. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 21:06:33 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Alex L. on Sat Dec 15 20:42:10 2007. "It might be childish, but that doesn't stop it from being true."It isn't true, and your giving one example of a bad cop doesn't make it true. "Not one took me up on the offer.It shouldn't take much on their part to realize that a person wearing a NYCT uniform and a bright orange safety vest that says NYC Transit is probably moving from car to car with a purpose." I would think the this prohibition does not apply to NYCT employees. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 21:07:14 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Dec 15 21:03:29 2007. In TAB, one adjournment is permitted. But after that, a dismissal is automatic. (My summons was riding between cars, back in 2002---dismissed.) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 21:07:40 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Dec 15 21:03:29 2007. It's safe to assume that officers have many legit reasons why they don't show up for minor infraction cases. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 21:08:04 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 21:00:35 2007. Well, to be sure, even though we've heard a Darwin Award story here already, the police have done positive things using their authority.I don't walk between cars on NYCT anymore after the rules change, because I respect the rule even though I think it misguided, and frankly, because I don't want to take the chance and pay a fine, although if I felt my safety threatened, I'd do what I thought prudent without a second thought to the rules, and explain that later. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 21:08:07 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 20:57:43 2007. One officer was about to do JUST THAT to Alex L., however, prompting my response to his post. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 21:09:11 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 20:47:59 2007. My point exactly...and why the law needs to be written specifically to exclude NYC Transit Authority personnel or other emergency response personnel in the performance of official duties. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 21:09:27 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 15 20:26:34 2007. Agreed. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 21:10:31 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 21:06:33 2007. You would think the officers would have been told so from their commanders not to enforce it against NYCTA employees in the performance of official duties. Guess it DOES need to be rewritten to exclude employees performing their duty (i.e., a C/R, a T/O, or a TSS). |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 21:10:57 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:08:54 2007. The storm doors on the M3 Almond Joys never latched properly; they'd slide open, slam shut with a BANG then slide open again. Meanwhile, you'd get all the racket from the tracks into the car... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 21:12:55 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:44:27 2007. What? Are you saying the the 145 St station only platforms 5 cars? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 21:14:34 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 21:08:07 2007. My response to that post is that we have to do better hiring of police.Like walking past the criminal courts buildings the other day, there was this armed state courts officer who was walking with a really noticeable limp and bent over to the point where it's safe to call him a aged cripple; it was like one of these things where one's afraid that some hoodlum would be able to smack the police officer with police officer's own gun. I'm all for equality of opportunity, but if one's disabled in the brain or elsewhere in the body, the maybe law enforcement isn't where one belongs. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 15 21:16:42 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 19:26:06 2007. Data is lacking about specifically what the circumstances were surrounding the rest of the cases. They may have been people fooling around as well. I don't know if we know of any actual cases of someone simply walking between cars and dying. People walk between cars hundreds or thousands of times a day. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 21:20:53 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 21:12:55 2007. Yes, you are |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Dec 15 21:21:43 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 21:14:34 2007. LOL! You can't seem to wrap your brain around NYCT employees are saying/doing stupid things, but you are quick to accuse the NYPD without any corroboration of the alleged incidents. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 21:25:04 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 15 21:14:34 2007. I once saw a very obese female Kansas City officer. No, she was not pregnant, just a behemoth. And she was a supervisor! What kind of example does that set for the troops.That's the kind of officer who, without backup, might be forced to prove something by a perpetrator. That officer will wind up pulling a fireatrm out faster. I'm not concerned that the perp will take the gun away. That's still relatively unlikely. I'm concerned the officer will choose to shoot sooner than an officer who is in good physical conditioning. A suspect who might suffer a few bruises o his way to jail will end up with a bullet instead, while the shooter ends up before a review board. It would be a tragedy all the way around. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Dec 15 21:29:50 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 20:08:54 2007. Now, would a defense if someone is ticketed on the 3 that (s)he needed to get to the first 5 cars for 145 Street (or to South Ferry on the 1) be a valid defense? (The back part of trains at both stations DOES NOT OPEN.)No, that wouldn't work. The "threshold" between the "first five" and the "last five" is the C/R's transverse cab. The automated announcements on the R-142 programmed for the (1) line tell customers to walk along the platform at Rector Street to reach the front section. The Bulletin for employees also tells us to inform customers to walk along the platform ONLY to change cars for those going to South Ferry. |
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Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn...... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 15 21:30:15 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by R30A on Sat Dec 15 17:00:39 2007. Even if you don't win, you'll have wasted the court's time. If everyone contested every ticket, then it would cost them so much that they would never receive any revenue from the tickets, thus defeating the purpose of using tickets for revenue. |
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