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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 13 19:06:33 2017, in response to Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Chicago44 on Sat May 13 18:53:48 2017. could?? but will they..... no agreement yet |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 13 19:06:38 2017, in response to Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Chicago44 on Sat May 13 18:53:48 2017. At most, it could only be Albany trains lacking a staffed cafe car. I don't see Amtrak deadheading via New Rochelle to get back and forth to Sunnyside to get anything else provisioned or maintained on a daily basis, not just a one-off, which has happened. Then MN has to have DM's available for lease, at least south of Harmon.The equipment for the 280 series train sets may cycle with some Albany trains, so those Albany trains would be excluded as well. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 13 19:08:45 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Sat May 13 19:06:38 2017. the negotiations is for last 3 empire trains of day. so maintenance on certain section can be extended during night.so far no agreement with mn. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 13 19:16:14 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 13 19:08:45 2017. So train 241 and later would come from GCT ?The last 3 SB come from Albany, Montreal, and Toronto - different consists. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 13 19:25:03 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Sat May 13 19:16:14 2017. could be.... no agreement yet. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 13 19:41:03 2017, in response to Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Chicago44 on Sat May 13 18:53:48 2017. Railfans with cameras will eat this up !Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by zac on Sat May 13 22:00:20 2017, in response to Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Chicago44 on Sat May 13 18:53:48 2017. As they should be. It was disappointing to see them rerouted to Penn in the first place. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 13 22:29:38 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Sat May 13 19:16:14 2017. The Montreal set (Adirondack) cannot be one to cycle through GCT - it has unique equipment that makes it unsuitable to be anything other than the Adirondack (no business class, some Amfleet IIs, full cafe).The Maple Leaf usually has some Amfleet IIs but it can run with a standard Empire Corridor set in a pinch. That said it arrives in NYC too late to become one of the later outbound trains. If there are to be 3 trains, I would hazard a guess, the GCT trains would be: 284 going out as 241 292(sat)/256(sun)/242(wd) going out as 243(wd)/259(we) 244 going out as 245(wd)/261(we) There's no big problem if 284 and 291 come in with food service, just keep the consist plugged in so the freezer runs and they can deal w/it back in Albany. If for whatever reason it is a problem, they can end food service at Albany. When the Ethan Allen is late they don't restock anyway... |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 13 22:59:19 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 13 22:29:38 2017. Other issues would be getting the passengers from GCT to NYP assuming that ticketing would still be to Penn since no Amtrak ticket facilities exist at GCT. Also it would require Amtrak to supply jitneys to shuttle folks back & forth to NYP/GCT for thru passengers. Toss in some mechanical forces & car cleaners & cust service reps to act as traffic cops pointing confused passengers in the right direction & now its starting to get expensive. With budget issues still a big question mark, I'd be suprised if this move becomes reality if its only going to be a for a few months. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat May 13 23:15:11 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by zac on Sat May 13 22:00:20 2017. unless of course you actually wanted to make a connection. Those of us who had to deal with SIX separate LD train staations in Chicago appreciate having what pitifully few trains we have mostly in one station. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 13 23:28:51 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 13 22:59:19 2017. It effectively reverses many of the cost savings from consolidating the trains to NYP, but these are needed repairs and both Governors are pressuring Amtrak to just get it done.As for ticketing, if this is anything like the switch replacement they will likely add in GCT as a station option for those trains. Choosing NYP would through ticket you to a bus. Now that people can print tickets at home / display on cell phones the lack of ticketing facilities is less of a big deal. A bigger concern is the lack of beer facilities - NYP has a cornucopia, whereas there's one overpriced store in GCT *sadness*. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 14 00:31:25 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 13 22:59:19 2017. Also it would require Amtrak to supply jitneys to shuttle folks back & forth to NYP/GCT for thru passengersI remember when the shuttle was a fishbowl, prior to the switch to NYP. Jitneys would not cut it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 14 00:32:43 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat May 13 23:15:11 2017. And how many connecting pax are there in reality?I would say that Amtrak does not miss having to tow Turboliners to/from Sunnyside Yard using an AEM-7. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun May 14 00:39:52 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 14 00:32:43 2017. The RTL-III (during its very brief existence) did not need the tow. Not sure about the RTL-II.The Empire Corridor needs dedicated trainsets of some sort; the ALB-NYP & Ethan Allen runs don't need to be turned. I actually *want* the option of sitting backwards, I'd rather have the sun behind me than in front! Lets get some east coast Talgos... |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 01:45:08 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 14 00:32:43 2017. don't have the numbers, but Amtrak does. As to theturboliners, good riddance. One trip with the persistent diesel stence in the cars was enough. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 14 03:12:58 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 13 22:59:19 2017. Other issues would be getting the passengers from GCT to NYP assuming that ticketing would still be to Penn since no Amtrak ticket facilities exist at GCT.Lack of ticket facilities at GCT isn't a big deal since Amtrak uses eticketing. Worst case scenario, they could pay Metro-North to handle what few passengers actually need to book, buy, and print tickets at GCT, similar to how VIA Rail handles their ticketing in Montreal. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun May 14 06:28:57 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 13 22:59:19 2017. The whole project will be expensive, including lost revenue from canceled trains.Every Albany train they can remove from NYP (at least during rush hour) is one more Wash-Boston train they don't have to cancel. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 06:59:28 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 14 00:31:25 2017. Yes, it was Metro Apple Express, a Suburban GM Fishbowl, though I think had automatic transmission. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 07:05:32 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by AlM on Sun May 14 06:28:57 2017. More accurately every Empire train they remove is one more NJT train that won't be cancelled.I can see the Cardinal, a poor performer on the north end of its run, being combined with another train. It is reverse peak, but still takes up a station slot in the AM. I think it would just be Albany round trips that do not form couplets with any 280 series trains. They also have a habit of truncating one NFL train every summer for CSX track work upstate. The Adirondack has a unique consist with Am-1 and Am-2's and dinnete car in the middle. The Maple Leaf is much like the Pennsylvanian/Palmetto (that is a joint cycle). Lake Shore often cycles as a Silver train to Hialeah for maintenance. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 07:08:10 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by zac on Sat May 13 22:00:20 2017. Why is that silly ? Should Amtrak be serving La Salle or Randolph St/Millenium station in Chicago ?They did it to save MN track access charges, consolidate maintenance, and cycle equipment, especially now with no CHI-PGH-NYP service (except for that silly Cardinal). |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 07:10:15 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun May 14 00:39:52 2017. Yeh, they needed the tow. They would be down to 10 MPH in the East River grades on 3rd rail power. They got an FL9 or a and Meatball from Day 1.Talgos require loe level platforms and a waiver from FRA to operate anywhere except in the PNW. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 07:11:58 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 01:45:08 2017. They were useless during upstate blizzards, ingesting snow. I went through that fire drill several times in the late 1970's headed to Buffalo, and seeing a set stranded in Central Terminal to be there 2 weeks (I later found out). |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun May 14 07:34:13 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 07:08:10 2017. the change to NYP was mandated by Congress in rail service act of 1970, 13 years before Metro North existed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 07:53:36 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun May 14 07:34:13 2017. The so-called mandate took 21 years to get done. They still paid MN, CR, and PC track charges in the interim. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun May 14 08:09:03 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 07:05:32 2017. More accurately every Empire train they remove is one more NJT train that won't be cancelled.I doubt it. The three agencies will have an agreement to share the pain, with each reducing rush hour trains by 25%. So Amtrak will need to cut some rush hour trains. Every train they can move to GCT is another train they don't need to cancel from their schedule. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 08:29:47 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by AlM on Sun May 14 08:09:03 2017. Amtrak is still landlord. Amtrak and LIRR share dispatching duties. NJT does nothing. Governor Fatso shooting off his mouth about cutting off payments to Amtrak (they have already been made for the year) yammering "privatizing" operations (with who ?) will put NJT strapped in firmly in the back seat.55% of RVL, 42% of NJCL, and 28% of NEC passengers do NOT go to NYPS. NJT can send some trains to Hoboken. LIRR has Flatbush, Hunterspoint, and subways at Jamaica and Flushing. Amtrak has no options. They need to get to SSY or to New England. Whatever few Empire trains get canned or booted to GCT will be minimal in number, maybe 2 a day. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun May 14 09:04:33 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 07:53:36 2017. Amtrak does not pay track charges in New York or Ct but then again both states do not pay 401b charges NY only pays for one train. |
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Posted by Mtatransit on Sun May 14 11:34:07 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun May 14 09:04:33 2017. Pretty sure NYS pays for the entire Empire Service, Maple Leaf and Adirondack Train service |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 11:40:46 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Mtatransit on Sun May 14 11:34:07 2017. I didn't understand what "401b" meant. If he meant "403b", that section of law has been replaced by PRIAA-209, and every train except the Lake Shore is subsidized by NYS-DOT. But that has nothing to do with MN track access fees. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 12:08:40 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun May 14 00:39:52 2017. Buy some Brightline copies. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 12:27:29 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 12:08:40 2017. They will probably become the standard low level coach for Amtrak. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 12:45:23 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 12:27:29 2017. Too bad we can't seem to find a factory capable of a viewliner body. It would truly be nice to have a full length train of a unified profile. Of course that would require Amtrak to WANT to run such trains. It would be fun to see a flat end viewliner obs lounge. Not holding my breath. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun May 14 13:02:20 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 08:29:47 2017. Amtrak has no options. They need to get to SSY or to New England.I just imagined the Vermonter being pulled by diesels its entire run, routed with two reverse moves via Albany and the CSX river line :). Amtrak *could* use Newark or Hoboken as the turnaround for the Keystones. No food service or looping to worry about, just send some car cleaners. Between the Keystones and the Empire Corridor trains, they could easily clear a 25% service reduction if they had to. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 13:02:21 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 12:45:23 2017. The VL beveled side is very expensive to manufacture. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 13:22:05 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun May 14 13:02:20 2017. CSX, now run by Hunter Harrison, would have a baby.Yeh, they could run the Keystones to Hoboken. 5 car trains taking up station slots in the rush is quite annoying and inefficient. Penn-DOT might scream bloody murder though, not understanding anything. Amtrak could voucher them onto PATH. The Cardinal should be combined with another train. Lucky if it gets a couple of dozen people on board out of NYPS in the morning. But the NARP foamers would whine about that. They don't know what slots and congestion is here in civilization. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 13:31:25 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 13:02:21 2017. and provides extra room in the cars even though meeting clearance constraints. How much cheaper are the amfleet tubes which are another attempt at interior space? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 13:52:59 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 13:31:25 2017. Budd had the rigging to do it from the Metroliner. Had Amtrak waited 4 more months, Budd said they could have used the Heritage car profile for Amfleet 2 body, but Amtrak got impatient. It was not to gain interior space. Amtrak could never build a sleeper car out of the Amfleet shell. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 14:03:03 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 13:52:59 2017. okay, so then the Brightline cars are essentially classic LW coaches (patents long expired)? thus sleepers, lounges, etc could be built. forward to the past. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun May 14 14:24:20 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 14:03:03 2017. IIRC, they're basically FRA legal Siemens Viaggio coaches from Europe. Their European counterparts are in use as the RailJet service on Austria's main railway between Munich and Vienna at 230 km/h (140 mph) MAS. Interior floor height in the cars is about 4 feet or so if Amtrak asks nicely, Siemens might be willing to make a Northeast version if inclined... |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 15:29:49 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 14:03:03 2017. The Brightliner cars are of no relation to anything Budd or anyone else here ever built. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 15:31:13 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun May 14 14:24:20 2017. They'd have to add traps, and make them as individually, coupled cars, downward compatible to Amfleet. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 15:31:28 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 15:29:49 2017. so is not the clearance profile similar to classic LW cars? and what sort of trucks? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 15:40:39 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 15:31:28 2017. Clearance profile yes, but there is no engineering lineage dating back to the Heritage cars. I don't know what truck they have. Bombardier has the patents for the Pioneer truck, but nobody demands them anymore. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun May 14 16:44:03 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 11:40:46 2017. MN is part of state agency and does NOT charge Amtrak trackage fees. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sun May 14 17:02:34 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Mtatransit on Sun May 14 11:34:07 2017. Ethan Allen gets a contribution from NY in addition to its primary sponsor, Vermont |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 14 18:45:40 2017, in response to Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Chicago44 on Sat May 13 18:53:48 2017. What would be the status if trains like the Lake Shore? I will be going to Buffalo this July and I wonder whether whatever train I take will be from NYP or GCT. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 19:24:54 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by randyo on Sun May 14 18:45:40 2017. I am taking 49 % 48 out and back to Chicago in July.I don't think there is any chance that train would run out of GCT. If they move anything, they'll do with what is easy, with trains lacking food service and or train-lined for top and tail. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun May 14 19:42:25 2017, in response to Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Chicago44 on Sat May 13 18:53:48 2017. IMHO:Cycle all Empire service out of Penn. Station a cleaning/carman gang there for the duration. Send all NJCL service to Hoboken and suspend Midtown Direct service with those trains going to Hoboken as well. Have LIRR Long Branch Trains go to Atlantic. Make all Port Jeff trains start at Huntington and all Montauk/Oyster Bay trains start at Jamaica. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun May 14 20:03:50 2017, in response to Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Chicago44 on Sat May 13 18:53:48 2017. If the details can ever get worked out it would make a lot of sense. |
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