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Posted by GOLD_12th on Tue Dec 2 01:51:07 2008, in response to Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Railman718 on Mon Dec 1 13:30:00 2008. Reward is up to $36K (right now) and could be more.Bus #9666 a 1998 Nova RTS-06. I dont think any operator would drive that bus. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Tue Dec 2 02:27:23 2008, in response to Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Railman718 on Mon Dec 1 13:30:00 2008. This is really sad news. I hope the person whom did killed the B/O get caught and get whats coming to him. My thoughts go out to this operator's family, friends, and fellow co-workers.This is one of the many risks that we Bus Operators face with on a daily basis. We deal with all kinds of people. Not only that, we dont know when some wackjob will "snap". After hearing about so many incidents regarding driver assaults, It should be mandatory that ALL transit agencies install a drivers shield on all buses to protect Operators from harm...even in places where its unlikely to happen. Nowadays, the economy is staggering, unemployment & crime rate is on the rise in most areas. Some people may disapprove of drivers shields because it might discourage customer interactions. I dont think the barriers would discourage interactions. Passengers can still ask for information, request assistance securing wheelchairs, etc ( Its just like going inside a bank and interacting with the teller whose behind 5 inches of glass ). Think about it ...If somebody were to attack me while the bus is moving & I loose control of the vehicle, what would u think will happen ? |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 02:30:02 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by lbt 9415 on Tue Dec 2 02:27:23 2008. See my previous post. That's what happened to Mark McLauglin in Seattle about 10-12 Years ago. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Tue Dec 2 02:32:05 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 02:30:02 2008. catching up on reading |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 02:41:13 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by lbt 9415 on Tue Dec 2 02:32:05 2008. 10-4, that's what happens when a driver is assaulted or mortally wounded when operating a bus. The bus drives off a bridge on to the roof of a housing complex about 100 feet below. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 02:56:26 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 02:41:13 2008. Tuesday, December 8, 1998 - Page updated at 12:00 AMBus Drivers Honor One Of Their Own -- Memorial For Mark Mclaughlin By Jack Broom, Christine Clarridge Seattle Times Staff Reporters Slain Metro bus driver Mark McLaughlin was remembered at a memorial service today as a spirited, fun-loving man whose life must not be mourned, but rather cheered and applauded. At the service at KeyArena, attended by bus drivers from throughout the region, King County Executive Ron Sims called McLaughlin "an individual who loved life, who had good things to say to everyone." Sims asked the gathering of drivers, passengers, dignitaries and relatives to stand up and greet those next to them with handshakes, hugs and kind words. Noting that the memorial was in a sports arena - a venue of celebration - Sims said, "I want you to give a shout for Mark McLaughlin, so he can hear it in heaven." That drew a loud, sustained cheer and round of applause for McLaughlin, who was fatally shot by a passenger 11 days ago as he drove a bus from Aurora Village into Seattle. The memorial service began late this morning after a procession through downtown Seattle of some 80 transit buses and vans - one bus bearing a black wreath and ribbons in McLaughlin's memory. His murder at the hands of passenger Silas Cool was "a tragedy that flashed into our living room and made us all stop and take assessments of what's important," U.S. Sen. Patty Murray told the audience. Too many public servants are taken for granted, she said. "Mark McLaughlin reminded this entire community . . . that each of us needs to take time out of our lives to say thank you to those who work tirelessly around us. "He did his job with dignity and respect," she said, expressing thanks to all drivers at the service. "We all thank you for the work you do, for being there day in and day out, for caring about the strangers as well as the friends who board your buses every day." Along with Metro drivers, bus drivers also came from Portland and British Columbia not just to pay their respects but to express shared feelings of kinship and concern. "We stick together," said Lyle Smordin of West Vancouver Municipal Transit, one of about 100 drivers and three buses from British Columbia. "We are all brothers and sisters in this." "We come together not only to acknowledge him, but to support each other," said Metro transit union president Barry Samet. "This has been a tragic incident, but we will all get through it together." "We are a family," Samet added. "We might leave our job sites and go our separate ways, but on the job we are truly brothers and sisters." McLaughlin was driving bus route 359 when, without warning, Cool stood up and fatally shot him, then killed himself. After McLaughlin lost control of the bus, it careened off the Aurora Bridge, falling some 50 feet and injuring 34 passengers. One passenger, 69-year-old Herman Liebelt, died in a hospital the next day. Because so many Metro drivers participated in today's procession and memorial service, local bus service was delayed on many routes this morning. Metro expected that to happen and encouraged riders earlier in the week to find other ways to get around. Slaying hit drivers hard McLaughlin's murder hit drivers around the area hard, said Del Walker, 40, one of 15 drivers from Bellingham-based Whatcom Transportation Authority who brought a bus to Seattle for the procession. "It was a shock, but - and I hate to say this - we knew it was only a matter of time - you never know who's sitting next to you," he said. "It's something that all of us as drivers fear, the potential for violent acts. It's something we want to make a statement about, that we are aware of it, and concerned." Two Seattle police officers on motorcycles led the procession to KeyArena, followed by Metro police cars, a tow truck and Metro bus No. 2106, which fellow Metro drivers had cleaned, repaired and decorated yesterday in McLaughlin's memory. That bus number was selected because it was also McLaughlin's badge number. Photo and jacket adorn bus McLaughlin's photo and a uniform jacket hanging behind the driver's seat were among the things that adorned the bus. Purple ribbons, 32 of them, filling almost half of the seats, represent those who lived through the accident. Black ribbons memorialize McLaughlin, 44, and Liebelt. There is no marking for Cool. "The union made the decision to leave (Cool's) seat unmarked out of respect and sensitivity for Mark," said Metro driver Patricia Naumann. The memorial bus was followed by a vintage red Metro bus carrying McLaughlin's family and Samet. A third bus carried local officials. We're all vulnerable "It's a very sad day," said King County Councilman Greg Nichols. "Whenever someone is in public service, they put themselves on the line. And a senseless crime like this shows how vulnerable we all are.' Yesterday, Naumann called McLaughlin "a unique and wonderful man. But he also represents each one of us." "Every one of us knows that, as unbelievable as it seems, that could have happened to us. The door opens to everyone - that's part of what's wonderful about mass transit. But you never know who will get on. "There's a paradox to the job we do," Naumann added. "We are always moving, but we're stationary. We see lots of money, but we never touch a penny. We deal with hundreds of people, but no one knows our names. It's a humble, self-effacing job, but it carries a tremendous responsibility. What happened to Mark is every driver's nightmare." Union organized service The procession and service were organized by the transit union. Larry Montgomery, an executive member of the union, said it wanted to show that it "is not just about work and grievances and labor-management issues. It's about what we can do working together to support one another." Chiefly, he said, the event was planned as a tribute to McLaughlin, a Metro driver since 1979, and as a memorial to McLaughlin and Liebelt. Another important goal, Montgomery said, was to thank police and fire crews and good Samaritans who helped the accident victims. Save taxi receipts Metro said passengers unable to reach their destination through their regular bus service between 9 a.m. and 2 p.m. today will be reimbursed for taxi fare. Spokesman Dan Williams said passengers must save their receipts and submit them to Metro. Sims apologized for the inconvenience. "We ask for the public's understanding as we allow our employees to attend the service for a colleague and friend. This is like a death in the family," he said, adding that the service, "will help us all bring closure to a tragedy." As part of the memorial, King County has announced plans to retire the number 359 as a route designation. Copyright (c) 1998 Seattle Times Company, All Rights Reserved. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 03:12:14 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 02:56:26 2008. As I researched more I found this article. I stand corrected about partions in Seattle, IIRC thay had them after the McLauglin incident. It appears that I maybe wrong I will find more info later. Please read the article below. Will the transit industry every learn or are we just expendable even less so than the equipment we drive?Will the MTA honor our operator as Seattle did theirs? Or will we scream in silence as we we are thugs anthis i the thug life as Mayor Bloomberg would like us to? Bus crashes after passenger grabs wheel 05:45 PM PST on Thursday, November 4, 2004 KING 5's Gary Chittim reports Witnesses talk about the crash Safety improvements for Metro buses SEATTLE A Metro bus crashed in north Seattle after an angry man allegedly grabbed the steering wheel Thursday morning. At least nine people were injured. The Route 358 bus was traveling southbound on Aurora Avenue in north Seattle near 80th Street around 10:30 a.m. when witnesses said the man grabbed the steering wheel from the driver. The witnesses said the two were arguing over an expired bus pass. The driver agreed to take it but words were exchanged, which escalated into an argument, the passengers said. Windows were broken in the crash. "The gentleman then started to wrestle with the bus driver, grabbed the steering wheel, made a hard right and crashed us into that pole over there..." said witness Kim Liskum. "That bus could have tipped over, we could have crashed into something else and people could have died." The bus mowed down a tree, brought down some wires and hit a power pole. Transformers from the utility pole fell into Aurora, partially blocking traffic. "The poles and the tree kept smashing windows, and you could see the driver was trying to come to a stop," said one rider. The crash happened near the Greenwood area in Seattle. The bus was crowded, with more than 60 passengers, including a woman in her eighth month of pregnancy and some small children. At least nine people were injured and taken to hospitals but the injuries were said to be not life-threatening. The worst one appeared to be a broken knee. Dr. Bruce Gardner just happened to be driving right behind the bus when it careened off the highway and crashed into the electric pole. Hopping over live power lines sparking on the ground, he jumped onto the bus to help the injured. "When I got to into the bus there were a lot of people crying and a couple of people hyperventilating, a woman on the floor, a pregnant woman who was quite concerned," he said. The man, aged around 25, who was fighting with the driver tried to escape on foot but was caught by a worker at a nearby Allstate business. Some passengers suffered minor injuries. "I said: 'Go get him, go get him,'" said Sandy Troy at Allstate. "And my co-worker ran after him." "Me and one other guy who was over here chased him down and ran three or four blocks and found him hiding behind an office," said Ken Dungan, who also happens to be a long-distance runner. "When I was running after him, I was quite excited, wondering... what this guy had done," Dungan said. "We didn't want him to get away because we knew he must have done something really bad." They stood guard until the police arrived and took the suspect into custody. Passengers credited the driver with staying calm, as the crash could have been much worse had the bus crashed into cars. The driver, who has been with Metro bus for more than 20 years, was uninjured. The crash tore down a tree and a power line. Power cycled in and out over the neighboring area and 15 customers still lacked power hours after the accident, said officials at Seattle City Light. The southbound lanes were closed until about 4 p.m., when one left lane reopened. Two right lanes remained closed. The bus was moved but utility workers were still on the scene in the late afternoon. It was expected to take several hours to clean up the area, dig a new hole for the power pole, install a new transformer and hook up all the lines. Safety improved after 1998 crash This bus accident was a scary reminder of the worst accident in Metro's history: In 1998, a passenger shot and killed Mark McLaughlin, the driver of a bus crossing the Aurora Bridge a few miles south of Thursday's crash. The driver, the gunman and a passenger died. The incident prompted Metro to beef up security by placing cameras on 25 percent of its fleet, and police on higher risk routes. On Thursday, driver safety was again called into question. "I sort of worry about the drivers and I know some routes are worse than others," said Lyndal Johnson, a bus passenger. Three died in the 1998 Aurora Bridge bus crash. "The incident this morning underscores the need to be ever vigilant and not to slack in our efforts to improve safety and security," said regional transportation chair Rob McKenna. He said the number of driver assaults is falling. Out of 3,000 operators, there are on average 70 to 80 reported assaults each year, down from around 100 a decade ago. Today there are 27 full-time sheriff's personnel who ride some of the higher risk routes. King County plans to add another six staff this budget year. But at least one bus driver would like to see more. It'll keep the passengers safe, equipment safe and the driver safe by having undercover police officers on certain routes, said Metro bus driver Oscar Davis. No doubt security measures were put to the test Thursday, including the emergency button found standard on every bus that the driver activated. It helped police apprehend him quickly, said police spokesman Sean Whitcomb. A protective shield for bus drivers is also being considered. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 03:20:40 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 03:12:14 2008. Example of DCMetro partition being tested.Sorry I have grasped the ablity to link yet. http://dcist.com/2008/02/14/metro_considers_3.php |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Dec 2 04:54:20 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by keithsy on Tue Dec 2 00:59:09 2008. Who cares how it looks. If it saves one driver from being assaulted it is worth it. |
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Posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Tue Dec 2 05:28:31 2008, in response to Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Railman718 on Mon Dec 1 13:30:00 2008. I was on an Kings Plaza-bound B46 wondering why we were detouring down to Stuyvesant, then back over to Malcolm X.I send my prayers out his family. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Dec 2 06:36:26 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 01:20:39 2008. In the case of the Hound, it took two fatal accidents to get shields to be installed. It always takes the loss of life of a driver and/or customers and a lawsuit unfavorable to the carrier.As much as I hate to say it, I wonder if it will take an attack of a bus operator and loss of life of a customer in an ensuing crash as a direct result to make the MTA change its mind. This is what forced Greyhound's hand in 2002 (google the name Arutro Martinez Tapia). |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Dec 2 06:52:47 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 01:20:39 2008. Damn, I didn't know that even Express Bus riders were like that. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Dec 2 06:59:59 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Dec 1 19:43:28 2008. Ditto. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 2 07:05:00 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Dec 2 06:59:59 2008. So where were you Sunday? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Dec 2 07:09:05 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 2 07:05:00 2008. Sorry I didn't make it yesterday, I had to babysit my neighbor's child. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 2 07:20:29 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Dec 2 07:09:05 2008. Ok, maybe next time. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 07:26:33 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Dec 2 06:52:47 2008. Not a regular rider, but another member of society looking for trouble just like the douche bag that did this. Express, Local, Dispatcher, CEO of the MTA, Mayor Bloomberg it's all the same we get treated like dirt and are expendable or we are thugs. The MTA was looking to install cameras to monitor B/O performance or identify customer complaints as well as deter crime or identify vandals. The union was against cameras, because of it's use as discipline tool and requested partions similar to the the ones used by WMATA. Remember we can't have partitions because it "obstucts the view" or is "not customer friendly" to protect the bus operator. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Dec 2 07:59:13 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by DHF60 on Tue Dec 2 01:18:19 2008. All we need to make your job safer is a bullet proff door that need a key to get into the seat. Lock it behind you and no one can tuch you, there will be just a small hole for you to reach the F/B it hit the botton and the transferbox just in case it get to full so you could empmy it. That was talked about when I was a B/O from 1995-2000 but it never came, they mad it even wrose since they ge ride of the bar next to the seat and put in the door. At least with the bar you could chock someone if they went to grab you with it. You just have to pull there neck down to it and pull hard. My Farther told me how to do it. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 08:05:24 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Dec 2 07:59:13 2008. Yep, I know I have a bunch of posts in regards. Check them out it might be quite informative and angering. This isn't the first and the MTA will make sure it won't be the last for the sake of customer service or the MTA's definition of safety. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Tue Dec 2 08:25:18 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by The TransitMan on Tue Dec 2 00:45:34 2008. Thank you for your very kind words.A lot of people regrettably neither appreciate or respect the difficult job that B/Os have. Check out the "comments" section in the New York Daily News regarding this incident. Yes, there are statements condemning the act and supporting the B/O and his family...but there are also comments suggesting, if you can believe it, that he "deserved what he got"...those will sicken you beyond your organs. |
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Posted by rocketdriver2019 on Tue Dec 2 08:51:41 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 07:26:33 2008. It's laughable that they say it "obstructs operator's view". They're beginning to install them on our buses in Toronto and it does nothing of the kind. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 09:01:41 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Tue Dec 2 08:51:41 2008. The MTA, going out of it way to NOT keep B/O's safe from their wonderful customers. Remember don't pay your fare and stab to B/O when you want a transfer you don't desreve. The funny thing is he rather stab someone to death than beat the fare twice. The TTC is installing a partitions after several violent attacks on B/O's, including one where a driver was shot and blinded in 2006. If the MTA took a cue from the TTC a lot of issues would be dealt with e.g Orion VII hybrids, preventing driver assaults, reduction of service delays and laundry list of other things. The MTA does everything for it's customers except provide reliable service, reliable equiptment and keep B/O's safe so they can have the aforementioned. Sorry about the rant, I am one pissed off bus operator in light of this and other things. |
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Posted by rocketdriver2019 on Tue Dec 2 09:13:25 2008, in response to Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Railman718 on Mon Dec 1 13:30:00 2008. This is real sad news. As a bus driver and streetcar operator I can attest to the number of low-lives out there in every city. I've lost count of how many times I was threatened by a customer over something silly as a $2.75 fare. I agree with the posters above in saying the safest way to drive is to ignore the fare completely.Thankfully the TTC is finally moving to install partitions on the buses and streetcars to prevent customers from being able to contact operators. As a subway operator I really don't feel much safer... sticking your head out the window while guarding opens you up to all kinds of threatening behaviour, and we've had many operators receive knocks on the head or saliva in the face because some crackpot was angry that they missed the train. My thoughts are with this operator and his family. May he rest in peace. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Tue Dec 2 09:19:09 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 09:01:41 2008. No apology necessary.You're 100% right. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Tue Dec 2 09:20:28 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Tue Dec 2 08:51:41 2008. Are they lockable? |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 09:30:27 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Bingham C50 on Tue Dec 2 09:19:09 2008. Thanks. It could have been me on the BXM1 that Saturday I posted about. I have to seriously start thinking about wearing a stab resistant vest, or a the new ones that are both stab and ballistic resistant. Too bad the MTABus doesn't pay me enough to buy one or provide it for us. It took the deaths of 2 fellow Auxiliary Police Officers for the NYPD to provide us w/ kevlar. Unfourtunatly I left the Auxiliary Police last month and had to turn mine in. I decided in part to drive a bus rather than be a cop because, I also thought it was safer. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 09:42:21 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Ken S. on Mon Dec 1 20:05:54 2008. Yes, two teenagers. |
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Posted by Operator3319 on Tue Dec 2 10:15:03 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Dec 2 06:52:47 2008. I am angered at the MTA and the NYPD for one where is the Transit District and where is STED the Transit District must think that the train is the only mode of tranportation in NYC and the NYPD's Surface Transit Enforcment District is a joke you cant find them any where but manhattan |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Tue Dec 2 10:26:44 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Tue Dec 2 08:51:41 2008. LA Metro installed a drivers partition of one of the NABIs ( bus # 7147 to be exact ). It locks from the inside and makes it impossible for ppl to open it from the outside |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Dec 2 10:59:52 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 09:30:27 2008. I could've been a cop back in 2004. I resigned because I felt that it wasn't the job for me. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Dec 2 11:03:29 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by GOLD_12th on Tue Dec 2 01:51:07 2008. I heard that the perp was caught and I hope he gets the highest punishment there is. My sincere condolenses go out to the victim's family.As far as the bus...look at the number. That should say enough by itself. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Dec 2 11:10:44 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Tue Dec 2 09:13:25 2008. You didn't even mention conductors in the subway, who are exposed at their operating positions at certain stations. They have it just as bad as bus operators, depending on the station. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Dec 2 11:11:01 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by GOLD_12th on Tue Dec 2 01:51:07 2008. I just found a pic that I took of bus 9666 from 2007 when it was on the #7 Shuttle:
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Dec 2 11:12:07 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Dec 2 11:03:29 2008. I also feel sorry for the person who actually ran after him only to lose him (before he was captured). |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Dec 2 11:18:03 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Tue Dec 2 09:13:25 2008. In the case of your city, the TTC also needs to test out bulletproof glass for its windshields and driver's windows...you probably know what incident I am referencing. |
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Posted by Deaks on Tue Dec 2 11:48:23 2008, in response to Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Railman718 on Mon Dec 1 13:30:00 2008. Rest in peace. The sooner they fit 'attack screens' the better. In several areas of the UK I know of, Union agreements prevent any bus without such a screen from being used is passenger-carrying service. Apart from keeping the bad people/lunatics/other undesirables away from the driver they keep smoke, snot, germs and cold air out of the cab too. |
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Posted by Operator3319 on Tue Dec 2 12:37:36 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Dec 2 11:18:03 2008. I'm glad to see on the MTA website NYCT section that they have an in memoriam section dedicated to the operator and noting Operator Schields Didn't know Schields was also from Flatbush Depot as wellI must say although angered the MTA has come along way in holding a press conference and I am glad Mayor Bloomberg made a Statement of Sympathy it shows that people care and it's ironic that there is a station house on gates and ralph 2 blocks down |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Dec 2 13:16:09 2008, in response to Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Railman718 on Mon Dec 1 13:30:00 2008. Tips from great citizens led police to an unidentified man who was a passenger on that B46 bus. He is currently being questioned by 75th precinct detectives as of this moment. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Dec 2 13:24:23 2008, in response to Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Railman718 on Mon Dec 1 13:30:00 2008. As a bus passenger, I alread seen enough BS stories from passengers claiming they don't have any money to pay the required fare, and I'm not talking about school kids without passes or just trying to get home safe, I'm talking about ADULTS!!!!!This is so heartbreaking that a man's great career was cut short all over a punk assed motherfucker. My deepest condolences go out to the victims family and every bus operator facing danger on a regular basis. It is also wonderful that MTA decided to dedicate a website page to his memory, they should also give a full lifetime pension (30 years of service) with a lump sum bonus and full medical (family) coverage to the victim's widow. Not always I use the front door to exit. When I do, I always say "thank you" to the B/O. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Dec 2 13:25:58 2008, in response to UPDATE (Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Dec 2 13:16:09 2008. Correction, the man being questioned lives in East New York, so I am mistaken about the precinct number I identified. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 2 15:07:29 2008, in response to Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Railman718 on Mon Dec 1 13:30:00 2008. I haven't read all the posts on here yet, so if I'm about to repeat what anyone else has said, I'm sorry.First of all, of course this is a horrible thing. The perp should be caught, and hopefully sent away forever. Too bad NY law doesn't allow for more. That said, this incident makes me wonder about the mindset of criminals. Does this individual really think he's taught the MTA a lesson of some kind, and now they'll let him ride for free? Doesn't he realize that he'll now be hunted down, and assuming he's not killed by the police on-site, will likely spend many years in jail? Was it really worth it to him? It's not like stealing another kid's lunch money. Yes, you can do that, and most peaceful kids will simply give it up. Why don't these "citizens" realize that actually killing or seriously injuring someone for such a trivial thing has no worthwhile payoff? A few days ago, I speculated as to suspects' motives for resisting arrest- which is similarly stupid and pointless, though on a lesser scale? Oh well... |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Dec 2 15:24:57 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 2 15:07:29 2008. Except for maybe "trained professionals", nobody really knows what goes on in the mind of mentally disturbed people. They do not think like rational humans. So when you mention about the perp not realizing the consequenses, it's quite obvious that never entered his brain. But, don't get me wrong. I am not one of those liberals who want to go easy on this type of person, and sentence them to time in a mental institution where they can have it easy, and then possibly be considered rehabilitated later on. Even if this type of criminal is found to be "insane", I still say lock him up and throw away the key. Because if he had the illness once, he can possibly relapse, and I don't want someone like that back on the streets. |
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Posted by FutureKBArticOP on Tue Dec 2 16:15:49 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Dec 2 07:59:13 2008. LIB hasn't done away with the bar. 1700 came with a bar. My condolences go out to Edwin Thomas's Family may he rest in peace. It's very sad an unfortunate that this happened but this incident proves that being a bus operator in NYC is far from a safe or easy job. The cops get 70K a year now the fire fighters get 76K. Somewhere very close or in between those figures would be fare when it's time for a new contact. Also I think the rules for defending yourself against a farebeaters/unruly customers should be ADJUSTED. Sorry to change the subject once again R.I.P Edwin Thomas. |
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Posted by FutureKBArticOP on Tue Dec 2 16:19:00 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Dec 2 07:59:13 2008. LIB hasn't done away with the bar. 1700 came with a bar. My condolences go out to Edwin Thomas's Family may he rest in peace. It's very sad an unfortunate that this happened but this incident proves that being a bus operator in NYC is far from a safe or easy job. The cops get 70K a year now the fire fighters get 76K. Somewhere very close or in between those figures would be fare when it's time for a new contact. Also I think the rules for defending yourself against a farebeaters/unruly customers should be ADJUSTED. Sorry to change the subject once again R.I.P Edwin Thomas. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Dec 2 16:19:41 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by North-Easten T/O on Mon Dec 1 15:57:57 2008. I read a long time ago in an old version of the bus operator's guide that fare evasion and enforcement against it is the responsibility of the police and not the B/O. The B/O's job is to operate the bus. I remember reading that the B/O hits a button on the farebox when fare is evaded and then the TA and police do with that info what they will.As stated before, I'm not a B/O so I'm only going on what I've read, though this WAS from a TA publication. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Dec 2 18:10:15 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Dec 2 13:24:23 2008. When an employee dies in the line of duty, there is a special benefits package for the next of kin. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 18:21:20 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Dec 2 16:19:41 2008. Our job is not enforce the fare, but to request it. If not and a spotter observes you not requesting the fare when it is not paid will issue a violation and find us in non-compliance. This perp not only got a free ride w/o arguement, but requested a transfer when exiting afetr a free ride and the bus operator said no. The perp exited the bus then quickly reboarded and stabbed the B/O to death. The B/O did nothing wrong and did not attempt to enforce the fare. The only thing he wrong was show up to work that day. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 18:25:27 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Dec 2 10:59:52 2008. Trust me it ain't any better, hell I left the Auxiliary Police because the job is getting filled w/ perps and idiots all over the NYPD(Cops, SSA, TEA, AP's). |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 18:26:50 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Operator3319 on Tue Dec 2 10:15:03 2008. Yeah, stopping cabs for quick numbers(summonses). |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 18:28:26 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Dec 2 11:12:07 2008. Yeah, there is a glimmer of hope that all is not lost for the world we live in. Everybody could have pulled a Kitty Genovese on the B/O. |
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