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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Dec 2 18:43:16 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 18:26:50 2008. CASH. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 2 18:45:11 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Dec 1 19:25:33 2008. From late 1996- ear;y 1999 I rode bee Line's #2 almost every day, the whole length of the route. And I'll tell you, I saw some very "interesting" exchanges between the various B/Os and the passengers.Just one: A B/O simply pointed (AM trip, southbound) out to an adult woman that she hadn't paid. She leaned right in his face, like within an inch or so, and screamed "Drive the bus, MF!". |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 2 18:46:45 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 2 01:02:18 2008. What happened? |
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Posted by Danny at 103rd Street on Tue Dec 2 18:48:25 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 18:28:26 2008. I Think B/Os and T/Os Should have a hand Gun like police men for protection cause these people are out of control |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 2 18:53:33 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by The TransitMan on Mon Dec 1 19:29:57 2008. Your prayer isn't the least bit offensive! A man was killed just doing his job. aosted elsewhere in the thread, I can't understand what the perp was thinking, and like someone else said, why couldn't he just have beat the fare a second time? he'd have gotten his free ride, this B/O would still be alive, and he wouldn't be facing life in jail or a police bullet.Wait...I know why he had to kill him...saying "no" to the transfer was "disrespect". |
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Posted by Ken S. on Tue Dec 2 19:25:56 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 2 18:53:33 2008. As I said, if I was the Brooklyn DA. I'd look into making an example of this perp and sending a message to these thugs by using the anti-terror statues against him.**What do expect from someone who learned law from Dick Wolf. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 20:42:07 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by JAzumah on Tue Dec 2 18:43:16 2008. Confused? Bribery or cash to the dept. of finance? |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 20:43:49 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Danny at 103rd Street on Tue Dec 2 18:48:25 2008. Danny, You wnat me with a gun on the road? I mean really dude |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Dec 2 20:44:28 2008, in response to Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Railman718 on Mon Dec 1 13:30:00 2008. Someone who does that deserves to be put under the bus. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 20:45:29 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Ken S. on Tue Dec 2 19:25:56 2008. Funny, they will only use anti-terror statutes against photographers fanning the system. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Dec 2 20:53:27 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 20:42:07 2008. Cash to the Department of Finance.The enforcement is strictly about money. |
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Posted by mci guy on Tue Dec 2 21:02:05 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by JAzumah on Tue Dec 2 20:53:27 2008. so far the person of interest is yet to be charged. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Tue Dec 2 21:09:27 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 20:45:29 2008. If it's considered terrorism to charge a cockpit on a plane, then attacking a bus or train operator should be considered terrorism. |
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Posted by Q65A on Tue Dec 2 21:14:20 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Ken S. on Tue Dec 2 21:09:27 2008. I completely agree.I hate to say it, but there certainly are ample opportunities for a terrorist to hijack a transit bus and use it as a weapon on city streets. I say DHS and TSA ought to give financial help to have the DOB outfit all their buses with "B/O cabs" (complete with London-style full plexiglas shields and locking doors). |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Tue Dec 2 21:30:04 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Ken S. on Tue Dec 2 19:25:56 2008. The people who act in the manner of this individual are sick in the head. many moons ago we would have placed punks like this thug in a mental hospitol and threw away the key. FYI we in the schools can spot a future thug as early as 2nd or third grade. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Tue Dec 2 21:30:49 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 18:28:26 2008. Is there any news on a trust fund to donate to help the family? |
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Posted by Q65A on Tue Dec 2 21:31:18 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by brightonr68 on Tue Dec 2 21:30:04 2008. As he died in the line of duty, perhaps it would be fitting to rename FLA as the Edwin Thomas Memorial Depot.To all my B/O friends out there (and bus passeners too) please be careful out there. |
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Police say the suspect has confessed --- Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 2 21:50:28 2008, in response to Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Railman718 on Mon Dec 1 13:30:00 2008. Police say the suspect has confessed to the fatal stabbing of a bus driver who was attacked in front of horrified passengers.Thanks to Newkirk Plaza David for providing me the URL. |
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Re: UPDATE (Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed) |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Dec 2 22:13:13 2008, in response to Re: UPDATE (Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Dec 2 13:25:58 2008. 10 o'clock news (ch.5) states that an arrest has been made in this case; some 20-year-old thug with a rap sheet a mile long; makes me want to PUKE.My heartfelt condolences to the bus operator's family and fellow workers. -w- |
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Re: Police say the suspect has confessed --- Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Dec 2 22:18:06 2008, in response to Police say the suspect has confessed --- Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 2 21:50:28 2008. And many thanks for posting the link in this stubborn thread (for Pocket PC users).This Horace guy, hope some Rikers inmates are watching the news tomorrow morning cause the word will spread there. Which of the nine DOC facilities gets this fucker, I hope they give Horace numerous beatdowns. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 22:22:22 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by JAzumah on Tue Dec 2 20:53:27 2008. Got it? I agree and they will allow illegal parking to cause congestion to allow congestion pricing as long as the suumonses are settled for a price, but not in the interest of moving traffic. STED & the Bus Unit of the NYPD are not sufficent enough to protect B/O's and the MTA doesn't do enough to protect us or prevent these tragedies from occuring IMO. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 22:26:05 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by brightonr68 on Tue Dec 2 21:30:49 2008. I don't know, I've been on vacation and don't return until Thursday. If I find out I will let everyone know. |
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Posted by Metro Man on Tue Dec 2 22:53:55 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by brightonr68 on Tue Dec 2 21:30:49 2008. I did not hear of any trust fund but I know Suffolk transit and LIB local 252 are collecting donations to give to the family.I also think the MTAis planning to have all operators drive with there headlights on no date mentioned yet. |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Tue Dec 2 22:55:16 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Dec 2 13:24:23 2008. Here is NYCT's Official Statement:MTA NYC Transit Bus Operator Killed in Line of Duty MTA NYC Transit Bus Operator Edwin Thomas, 46, was stabbed to death on Monday, December 1st during a dispute with a customer onboard his B46 bus. The incident, which occurred at the intersection of Gates Avenue and Malcom X Boulevard in Brooklyn was reported at 12:32 p.m. Thomas was transported by Emergency Medical Services to Woodhull Hospital where he expired, despite the heroic efforts of paramedics on the scene and medical staff at Woodhull Hospital led by Dr. Maurice Wright, Chairman of the Emergency Department. Elliot G. Sander, MTA Executive Director and CEO said: "Edwin Thomas' death is a terrible loss for the MTA, NYC Transit and all of New York. Mr. Thomas was a dedicated bus operator, husband and father who was tragically killed serving the public on his B46 bus route in Brooklyn. The MTA is working closely with the NYPD and the Brooklyn District Attorney to ensure that Mr. Thomas' killer is brought to justice." H. Dale Hemmerdinger, MTA Chairman: "Thousands of wonderful people work at the MTA, and it is a tragedy that one of them was lost in the line of duty today. You never expect something like this to happen, but all of our employees put themselves at potential risk every day to serve New York. Our thoughts and prayers are with Mr. Thomas' family and friends at this tragic time." A seven-year Transit veteran assigned to Flatbush Depot, Thomas was a valued employee and will be sorely missed by his co-workers. “Dealing with the death of an employee is the most difficult task of any Transit manager and this is certainly no exception. Bus Operator Thomas was killed in the line of duty, serving the people of New York City,” said NYC Transit President Howard H. Roberts, Jr. “I speak for the whole of NYC Transit in offering my deepest sympathies to his family.” The last bus operator slain in the line of duty was Harvey Schield in 1981. He was killed while operating a B44 bus at Avenue Z and Nostrand Avenue in Brooklyn. Mindful of the dangers bus operators face MTA NYC Transit works closely with the Brooklyn District Attorney’s Office on it’s Assault on Transit Workers Program. This initiative is designed to ensure that assaults on MTA NYC Transit workers such as bus operators, train operators and conductors will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 23:00:02 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Metro Man on Tue Dec 2 22:53:55 2008. We have to have our headlights on for safety at all times it's a violation if we don't. The union hasn't sent us an e-mail about anything yet. I assume they will have something at the depot when I go back on Thursday. |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 23:01:20 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement, posted by Bingham C50 on Tue Dec 2 22:55:16 2008. But, I don't see any preventive measures mentioned. |
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Posted by QM18Express on Tue Dec 2 23:06:09 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 23:01:20 2008. And I highly doubt that there will be 1. This is just a very rare and sad thing to happen |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 23:31:23 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement, posted by QM18Express on Tue Dec 2 23:06:09 2008. Yes, but assaults are plenty and the MTA needs to have preventive measures e.g. driver partitions, they just treat us as expendable and if it happens only every 27 or so years we don't have to do anything and we save money by not installing protection and now we don't even have to pay them. Look at all the money the MTA will save! |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 23:35:14 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 23:31:23 2008. Recently, New York City Transit has recorded a slight increase in assaults on bus operators. There were 82 in 2006, 99 in 2007, and 74 this year, as of Sept. 30. Not very rare and warrants protection. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Dec 3 00:00:36 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 23:01:20 2008. me neither. cant believe they call this scumbag a customer. |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Wed Dec 3 00:24:37 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 23:35:14 2008. What ever happened to that program with survailance cameras on the front window of the buses and at the rear of the bus on artics, wasn't the point of that to make sure something like this never happened? |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Dec 3 00:30:16 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 23:35:14 2008. wow that is an increase. Something has to happen before more operators gets hurt or fatally wounded again. how many more incidents will it take for NYCT & other agencies to realize Bus Operators need protection.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWIT1AGLHOE No Sounds in the first :47 seconds |
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Re: UPDATE (Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed) |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Dec 3 06:36:50 2008, in response to Re: UPDATE (Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Dec 2 22:13:13 2008. NY Daily News story20 years old and already busted 8 times, gets good behavior deal by the parole board if he stays out of trouble for nearly killing someone while he was 17, then gets busted on a weapons charge aboard a C train in July, and this animal was cut loose to kill?????? Some drug customer of his might be $36K richer for being a snitch, good for him. I hope he doesn't blow that money on drugs. Eliminate the parole board. . . permanently. |
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Re: Police say the suspect has confessed --- Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Dec 3 06:47:31 2008, in response to Police say the suspect has confessed --- Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 2 21:50:28 2008. This person was recently released from jail. He had done 3 years for gun possession.I think this is a potential death penalty case. |
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Re: Police say the suspect has confessed --- Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 3 06:48:45 2008, in response to Police say the suspect has confessed --- Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 2 21:50:28 2008. This AP article says things went down a little differently. Reports so far say that the attacker boarded through the front door, swiped an invalid fare card, demanded a transfer, and stabbed Thomas when he refused. This article says the perp boarded at the rear, Thomas issued him the transfer, and the stabbing happened after Thomas followed him out of the bus and into the street. Sorry to say that doesn't make the case for driver partitions, unless they encourage drivers to stay in the seat. |
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Re: Police say the suspect has confessed --- Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Dec 3 07:20:23 2008, in response to Re: Police say the suspect has confessed --- Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by JAzumah on Wed Dec 3 06:47:31 2008. That is until the NY State Court of Appeals threw out the Death Penalty statue for the likes of John Taylor, who murdered several people in cold blood inside a Wendys. |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Dec 3 08:34:11 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement, posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Dec 3 00:30:16 2008. "...how many more incidents will it take for NYCT & other agencies to realize Bus Operators need protection?"I've been asking that very same question for over 18 years. I've yet to receive an answer. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Dec 3 08:35:30 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement, posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Dec 3 00:00:36 2008. "Customer" is too nice a word for someone like that. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Dec 3 08:37:06 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 23:01:20 2008. Neither do I. That is a concern.But I wanted people here to see it regardless. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 3 09:43:58 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement, posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Dec 3 00:00:36 2008. cant believe they call this scumbag a customer.He didn't pay. If you shoplift from a store, you're not a "customer," you're a "thief." |
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Re: Police say the suspect has confessed --- Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 3 10:05:35 2008, in response to Re: Police say the suspect has confessed --- Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 3 06:48:45 2008. Thomas followed him out of the bus and into the street. Sorry to say that doesn't make the case for driver partitions, unless they encourage drivers to stay in the seat.IF he left that Bus to "follow" this low-life his family is screwed... You DO NOT Leave your position to follow anybody.. :o( |
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Posted by dontwalkhand on Wed Dec 3 10:09:14 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by JAzumah on Tue Dec 2 18:43:16 2008. I wonder if there is a way you could custom order a bus from NFI, NABI, etc, with this protective partition/driver cab custom built for the TA. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Dec 3 10:23:14 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by dontwalkhand on Wed Dec 3 10:09:14 2008. sure you can. Chicago Transit Authority has a few on some of their newest D40LFs. Drivers partitions became standard spect on all Miami Dade Transit buses as well, except for their D4500s. |
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Photo - Drivers Partition Shield |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Dec 3 11:18:28 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Dec 3 10:23:14 2008. A good friend of mine & operator at CTA provided me a pic of the drivers shield being tested on their newest D40LFs. The plan is to get similar shields out fleetwide.
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Re: Stabber released after subway arrest |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 3 11:33:04 2008, in response to Re: Police say the suspect has confessed --- Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 3 06:48:45 2008. Link hereThis perp was busted by transit bureau officers for carrying a folding knife on the C train. His case was adjourned and his parole officer yelled at him and them let him go. The reason is undoubtedly overcrowding in the prisons. If parole officers sent every parolee back to prison for violations, there wouldn't be enough space and then either judges would be ordering releases or New York State would be paying a lot more money for out of state cells. So what should have been, in this case, a parole violation resulting in a return to prison, turned into a slap on the wrist. |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 11:35:11 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Wed Dec 3 00:24:37 2008. That was to jam the B/O(see your speeding, You didn't kneel the bus, look what lane your in). |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by rocketdriver2019 on Wed Dec 3 11:45:23 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Dec 2 11:10:44 2008. Sorry, I should have been clearer... subway operators have both duties in our subway (drive one way, guard (conduct) the other). It is when I'm the guard sticking my head out the window that I fear retaliation for closing the doors. |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by rocketdriver2019 on Wed Dec 3 11:51:31 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 18:21:20 2008. TTC practices the policy of "education not enforcement". You educate the person about the fare (ie "Excuse me, sir, the fare is $2.75"). After the evader says "F$%^ YOU!" your job is essentially done. Unfortunately, sometimes merely mentioning the fare to some of these people is enough to set them off. |
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Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 11:51:37 2008, in response to Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Dec 3 11:18:28 2008. Thanks Eddie for posting this. The MTA in the past has said that these "obstuct view" & "are not customer friendly". |
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Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Dec 3 11:54:36 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 11:51:37 2008. The way some of these "customers" behave, why should these things be in any way "friendly"? |
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