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Posted by error46146 on Fri Jul 6 09:13:05 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 22:44:19 2007. They should at least do one or the other, either make the G go past Court Square or make the V run weekends |
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Posted by (X) 2nd Avenue Local on Fri Jul 6 10:01:31 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 21:09:05 2007. The longer the train is the longer it takes to come? Come now, error, you know that doesn't make any sesne, nor does train length have anything to do with headways or service levels. |
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Posted by (X) 2nd Avenue Local on Fri Jul 6 10:04:51 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 14:55:12 2007. Actually, they should make the E run local on weekends. There is little need for 2 expresses when they are both emptier than the only localThe (E) is not certainly not empty on Weekends. Some trains are even SRO. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 6 10:08:29 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 21:16:17 2007. Are You a MTA employee?If so,which division do you work for? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 6 10:09:55 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 5 23:16:53 2007. I don't think thats what he meant..I believe he was talking about ROUTE MILES...not train lengths. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 6 10:15:52 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 21:09:05 2007. I don't think so..It operates 9-10 trains peak..6 middays.The Problem with the R is that it interlines with some many other lines.. The R is just one of those route you love to hate. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 6 10:22:02 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 6 00:01:38 2007. They can transfer at three stations for Manhattan service. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 6 10:29:14 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 21:16:17 2007. I agree. |
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Posted by mambomta on Fri Jul 6 10:36:56 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by (X) 2nd Avenue Local on Fri Jul 6 10:04:51 2007. The (E) is not certainly not empty on Weekends. Some trains are even SRO.Compared to the week the trains are empty on weekends. The only time I have gotten into an E train on the weekend that is SRO is late night. I haven't had that problem during the day. I have always gotten a seat on the E during weekend mornings, afternoons, & evenings. |
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Posted by mambomta on Fri Jul 6 10:37:46 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 6 10:08:29 2007. Are You a MTA employee?Nope. I thought about it but decided not to. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jul 6 10:41:04 2007, in response to Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:35:45 2007. LION *likes* the (RR) train, with its shiny new R-27s and R-30s.Those were the cats pajamas back in '66 when I joined the Navy. Rode to Whitehall Street on one. Got to waste most of the day there wending my way on a line through darkend hallways. Then they put us on some PRR sleepers to Chicago. In the morning we were there. Seems like the overnight train to Chicago is a GOOD way to go. You could spend your whole business day there, and then come back on the night train to NYP, and not have to pay for hotels in CHI. Not that they Navy was going to let me come back on the next train. They but me on a different train, and before long we were at the Great Lakes Naval Training Station. (Boot Camp). Oh well. The Navy was a good thing, and I got to ride on all sorts of trains in Japan and Hong Kong. ROAR |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 6 11:00:02 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by mambomta on Fri Jul 6 10:37:46 2007. Why not?You sound as if you would fit right in.. You have missed you're calling,dude. I would love to work for them[Dept of Buses]..but I like my job. I get around..travel from state to state. So I get to feed the wanderer in me and feed my hobby at the same time..LOL.! I've got a nice tour lined up this week,too. I get to go to Atlanta..then to Miami. |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Fri Jul 6 11:09:29 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 15:57:58 2007. The E is not the most popular line.It's what I call a trail line. Except for a couple of stations past Union Tpke to Jamaica Center and stops along 53St, the E is simply a a trail for other trains. It provides supplemental service to other lines which mainly provide service to those stations. It's not a unique line like the F which has many stations which are served only by that train. Plus, if they would provide more express service to the J line during rush hours, Lower Manhattan riders wouldn't have a reason to take the E because the J would take them faster. The E is a decent line but its not one of the most vital in terms of the entire line usage. If the E is not running there are alternatives; not like the F or A which is solely responsible for subway service in certain neighborhoods. |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Fri Jul 6 11:12:33 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 6 10:15:52 2007. Just as the E....except for a couple of stations it interlines with the F, G, R, V, A, and C.The E is the IND equivalent to the IRT 5 except that it runs the entire route nights. |
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Posted by mambomta on Fri Jul 6 11:47:32 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 6 11:00:02 2007. Why not?I'm an IT guy during the day and a Latin Dancer(NY club style Salsa, Cha-Cha, Merengue, Bachata) at night and on weekends. You sound as if you would fit right in.. Nah, I'm a little too independent for that. I just like to expand my knowledge about many different things. So it might appear that I would fit in but I probably wouldn't. You have missed you're calling,dude. My calling is IT. I have been known to diagnose computer problems by touching the case(seriously :) and the dancing balances my personality. I would love to work for them[Dept of Buses]..but I like my job. I get around..travel from state to state. I took the Open Competitive T/O exam while I was still deciding but I decided that I didn't want the responsibility of several tons of steel and thousands of people. So I get to feed the wanderer in me and feed my hobby at the same time..LOL.! Computers are also one of my hobbies, so I get to practice it daily. I've got a nice tour lined up this week,too. I get to go to Atlanta..then to Miami. That's cool. I don't do much traveling, but my boss had been talking about sending me to Brazil and London for a few days each to check out the equipment. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Jul 6 11:48:06 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 6 10:15:52 2007. From a previous message: "The R is just one of those route you love to hate."The gest of many of the messages on forums such as this is that local routes suck. Why? Because they are local routes, when so many here in their proposals love to create express trains. Look at the discussions about the J/Z route and a proposed 1 track express to be built, or the talk about the F or V route in Brooklyn and possible express service to/from Church Avenue, or recent discussions about the #1 route. Need we say more about the V line? Again, the gest of the messages is the local routes suck. The basic problem with all of these "express" proposals is that for an express route to by-pass some stations, a local route has to stop at those stations. When was the last time that anyone here proposed a "new local route" with all of the fan-fare and discussion that the "new express route" usually gets? A single sentence in a message does not count such as, "Oh yeah, we should extend the G train to Church Avenue as a local, yeah...." Expecially after 5-9 messages about the F or V train as express to/from Church Avenue or Kings Highway - and a major discussion about the switches at Kings Highway. What's "wrong" with the R train - simple. It is not an express route. In the eyes of so many here - that is a major sin. Mike |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 6 11:59:59 2007, in response to Re: SAS Connections to Nassau St./Williamsburg Bridge, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jul 5 19:07:28 2007. I proposed something similar a long time ago. The J and Z would turn north after Essex and run up the SAS. The M would run to Broad St. The T would run from Bay Parkway or 9th Ave (or Broad St. on weekends) and run up the SAS to Harlem. This would make the SAS far more useful to people outside the UES. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 6 12:12:55 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Thu Jul 5 19:59:47 2007. The idea of running E and F service express east of Forest Hills and having locals like the V or R running local was tried in the late 1980's and it failed miserably. Less than two years after the R was extended to 179th St 24/7, it was cut back to rush hours only, then cut back completely in 1992. The people who use Hillside Ave. local stations will simply not have it. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 6 12:36:12 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by Michael549 on Fri Jul 6 11:48:06 2007. I get what your saying.Simply put..a train is a train..either you USE IT or you don't. Its as simple as that. Fact of the matter is..riders believe that the express is just that..and EXPRESS ..that gonna skip all those stations to get you where you want to go faster... But as long as you have an interlining service like the NYCTA..your wasting your time. Around here..we don't have express trains,nor express buses..so we don't have much choice. So ..for Me..it doesn't really matter. But the R train will ALWAYS appear to be useless to the express fiend BECAUSE its a local. Also..don't knock the G line extension..its a pretty good idea that should have been done years ago. |
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Posted by error46146 on Fri Jul 6 13:00:13 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 5 23:16:53 2007. Your answer here |
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Posted by error46146 on Fri Jul 6 13:00:26 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by (X) 2nd Avenue Local on Fri Jul 6 10:01:31 2007. Your answer here |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Fri Jul 6 14:11:33 2007, in response to Re: E/R/V trains on weekends, posted by error46146 on Fri Jul 6 09:11:47 2007. Crikey, error46146! You'd have 6.5 minute service to QB local stations! |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Jul 6 18:22:28 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 6 12:36:12 2007. From a previous message: "Also..don't knock the G line extension..its a pretty good idea that should have been done years ago."I am not knocking a possible extension of the G-train to Church Avenue. In fact I actually support that idea and have said so in online forums such as this. I happen to think that regardless of any express version of the F-train or the V-train, that the G-train should be extended to Church Avenue 24-7-365. I think that we agree on the following point, "the R train will ALWAYS appear to be useless to the express fiend BECAUSE its a local." I hoped that I had made that point very clear. The R-train could have a frequency of a train every 2-minutes in Queens, Manhattan and Brooklyn with a very satisfied ridership but that will still not satisfy some of those who write online messages. Mike |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 7 02:05:07 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by TunnelRat on Fri Jul 6 06:29:44 2007. Mick the Quick was my favorite player on that team. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jul 7 13:44:47 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 4 11:32:05 2007. How is a three-seat ride better than a one-seat ride? Making one transfer is not a big deal, but having to make two or more? That is a big deal, especially when each transfer is to an overcrowded line. When you have to make two or three transfers, you start to look for alternate ways to get to work. I wouldn't be surprised if there are many commuters from Middle Village, Glendale or Maspeth, who prefer to take express buses or drive into Manhattan via the Queens-Midtown Tunnel.If you need to get to Midtown Manhattan and you take the M to the L, you have to transfer at least one more time, unless you work near 14th St. Come on, most M line commuters aren't going to ride all the way down to Fulton St for the A, C, 2 or 3 trains or Chambers St for the 4 or 5. They see that L as a shortcut for getting to those trains at a point closer to their jobs in Midtown. That's why they cram on to the L. Combining the M and V trains will turn a lot of three- and four-seat rides into one- and two-seat rides. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jul 7 13:49:42 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 4 18:08:21 2007. They do. Some may even have to deal with four-seat rides. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to take an express bus or drive to work, rather than deal with transferring two or three times. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jul 7 13:57:24 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 22:58:49 2007. Yes, we do. I leave my house around 7:30 AM to get the 5 Thru Express at Burke Avenue just to be at my job at 9:00 at 60 Centre St. That's during rush hours. That same commute takes longer on weekends. It can take an hour and 45 minutes to get to Brooklyn Bridge on weekends between taking both the 2 and the 5 and having to wait for both trains (both lines run every 12 minutes on weekends). |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 14:02:04 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jul 7 13:57:24 2007. It takes even Longer now that the 5 is Only going to Grand Central and the 4 and 6 trains scrape the Wall..As well as that Deuce Scrapping the Wall From White Plains to Flatbush.. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jul 7 14:03:37 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 4 20:12:25 2007. Yes, look how they shot themselves in the foot by shooting down the Super Express. Now they have the audacity to complain about how bad their service is. They made the service conditions on the E and F what they are today. You reap what you sow, Queens Blvd riders, you reap what you sow. |
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Posted by error46146 on Sat Jul 7 14:06:32 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 3 19:39:30 2007. OK, why don't you go do that and see how much time it wastes? |
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Posted by error46146 on Sat Jul 7 14:09:28 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by Michael549 on Fri Jul 6 18:22:28 2007. R train coming every 2 minutes???Like that will ever happen. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jul 7 14:15:36 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by subway nutz on Wed Jul 4 13:37:30 2007. While I believe the V train provides a useful option to people who are sick of the overcrowded E and F trains, I believe the best solution to the overcrowded conditions is the Super Express. Unfortunately, the dumb ass-NIMBYs who fought tooth and nail to keep the MTA from building the Super Express tracks in the late '60s and early '80s made sure that Queens Blvd trains will remain overcrowded for decades to come. Even more unfortunate is that we will not see the Super Express tracks built because the MTA does not have the money to build them now. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jul 7 14:19:32 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 14:02:04 2007. Exactly. It could take almost two hours to get to lower Manhattan on the 2 from the north Bronx. Same if you take the 2 and transfer to the local 4 at Grand Concourse. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jul 7 14:22:12 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by error46146 on Sat Jul 7 14:09:28 2007. Of course that won't happen because it would affect the M, N and W trains. He said IF...if the R ran every two minutes. |
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Posted by Eric B on Sat Jul 7 15:54:40 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jul 7 13:49:42 2007. With the only express bus running infrequent peak time/direction only serivce, and having to go out of the way back to Rego Park (central Queens) before it starts actually heading for Manhattan.No, cars is the right answer. That's why this area is fifth in the whole city in sending cars to Manhattan. What we need is a complete overhaul of our local transit network. (Midtown train service, as well as the buses connecting to places like LIC, central Queens and Jamaica as well as the express). |
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Posted by mambomta on Sat Jul 7 21:19:51 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Sat Jul 7 14:06:32 2007. OK, why don't you go do that and see how much time it wastes?10 minutes max. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jul 8 12:07:51 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Sat Jul 7 14:06:32 2007. Well you should try it for once. E is not always so 'excellent'. |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Sun Sep 16 16:51:34 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Mon Jul 2 11:44:43 2007. If the (V) was extended from Second Avenue into Brooklyn as a rush hours express in 2008 or 2009, would the (V) likely terminate at Kings Highway, 18th Avenue or Coney Island as the (G) would be terminating at Church Avenue rather than Smith-Ninth Streets? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 16 17:41:51 2007, in response to Re: SAS Connections to Nassau St./Williamsburg Bridge, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 6 03:50:30 2007. Good idea...!I had the very same idea in mind a few years ago about the SAS link joining the Rugers Tube at Essex st/Houston... |
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Re: Combining the M/V trains |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Sep 16 18:30:10 2007, in response to Re: Combining the M/V trains, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jul 3 05:47:21 2007. Exactly what I've been stating. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Sep 16 18:33:02 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 17:39:37 2007. How so? Chambers you have to walk up the stairs to the Mezzanine then thru a corridor to the 4/5/6. At Lafayette it is just a matter of being in a certain part of the train then going up the stairs to catch either the north or south bound side of the 6. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 16 19:02:47 2007, in response to Re: SAS Connections to Nassau St./Williamsburg Bridge, posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 16 17:41:51 2007. A SAS link to the Rutgers tunnel would also solve the question of rush hour express service on the South Brooklyn IND while freeing up the (V) or the (C) to use the Willy B where a direct connection to Midtown would have wider systemwide benefits. I would personally prefer it go down Ave C since that area has lousy subway service. I would have it connect to Rutgers St near E. Broadway. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sun Sep 16 23:17:37 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 12:32:55 2007. >>> The Chrystie St. connector does nothing for M riders wanting the East Side of Manhattan. <<<What about riders who want the West Side of Manhattan? Or the heart of Midtown? Why force them to transfer to other, overcrowded trains when they can just stay on the one they're already riding through a set of tracks that are quite useful? What about weekends? On weekends, the current M service does nothing for M riders who want any part of Manhattan, because it's a shuttle between Metro and Myrtle. >>> Despite being forced to transfer to get to midtown, the Nassau St. line has transfers to every single north/south Manhattan trunk line. The 6th Ave IND has notoriously poor connections with the IRT <<< Only on weekdays because the entire line is shut down below Chambers. And even then, there are no direct transfers to the B, D, E and 1 trains. A combined M/V (or J/V) train would have direct transfers to all four of those lines. And you might not even need to transfer to them if such a service existed, because it would run parallel to those lines in Midtown. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Sun Sep 16 23:55:59 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 3 00:39:49 2007. Wasn't it supposed to connect to the 2nd Avenue Subway, not the Nassau Street Line anyway? |
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