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Posted by xtimx on Sat Nov 3 21:06:00 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 3 18:22:13 2007. they don't really terminate there. its pretty much a long relay and its weekends only so its just a train operator and sometimes also a switchman. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Nov 3 21:20:55 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Russ on Sat Nov 3 17:53:22 2007. What is the R-160 fiasco?The lack of crews trained on the R-160. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 21:25:22 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Nov 3 21:20:55 2007. How much difference is there from being qualified to engineer/conduct on the R143, or even R142? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 21:36:00 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 21:25:22 2007. How much difference is there from being qualified to engineer/conduct on the R143, or even R142?Paperwork paperwork paperwork... Also if you do something "wrong" those who "trained" you are covered.. P.S and you ARENT.. Hence days in the street... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 21:37:33 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Nov 3 17:43:13 2007. Good stuff Jason,Thanks...So those 75 Footers from Kawasaki are a new contract... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 3 21:42:17 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 21:37:33 2007. Edwards posted about the R-179 a few months ago. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Nov 3 22:39:16 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by 9 local on Sat Nov 3 12:01:37 2007. isle of wight line in englandNow THERE's a line that knows how to care for its stock! They are still running the 38's out there, as far as I know. wayne |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Nov 3 22:43:22 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 17:10:01 2007. LRT is not cheaper. Get that through your head. You want to have to build additional facilities to handle LRVs? plus new equipment specifically for maintaining catenary wire? How about knocking down high platforms to make low ones for your LRVs to stop at?Dude, they'd have to rebuild the platforms and trackways in the first place. Secondly, NYCTA has dealt with even more bizzare parts variability when had the deal with the various generations of IRT & BMT pre-unification fleets along with the IND first generation and second generation fleets. It's not as if the ONIX traction motors used in a LRV are magically different than those used on the R142s. Yes the catenary costs money, but it's not as if third rail is magically free as well. As I've pointed out, the big bonus is in the move away from two expensive crews to cheaper one-man crews. If SIRT were to take the C/Rs on the current runs and make them into additional operators, they could effective double the service that's currently run, and with LRVs they don't have to worry about running around with 300ft of heavy, wasted space... |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Nov 3 22:59:10 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 3 20:27:19 2007. Just like I said. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Nov 3 23:04:51 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 3 14:09:02 2007. The average SIer pays more local/state income taxes than (guess). |
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Posted by Michael Wares on Sat Nov 3 23:05:08 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 11:14:44 2007. "Never used to be. They used to test NYCT cars on LIRR and Metro-North."The only operation of subway cars on what's now Metro-North that I've heard of was the introduction of the R32s with a run between Mott Haven Yard and Grand Central, on what was then the New York Central. I've heard that the higher voltage ruined the R32s' motors. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Nov 3 23:09:02 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Nov 3 22:39:16 2007. Spur-cut bull and pinion gears, I presume? |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Nov 3 23:09:05 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 09:11:57 2007. That'd be nice to see. SIR is like the ONLY place in the MTA system not having anything new to look at. But people here mention M7s, trust me don't spread them out any more, for they are basket cases as it is right now where they are right now. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Nov 3 23:11:31 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 14:59:19 2007. Welcome to the sad world of mega mergers!! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 23:36:26 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Nov 3 23:09:05 2007. True they sometimes have a ride that sways and creaks too much, and make sounds over some tracks like they're going to fly apart, but apparently great MDBF numbers, especially on MNCR. Since you've got an insider's perspective, I'd be curious to know what's your indictment of them? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 4 02:00:15 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 3 17:45:22 2007. From a previous message: "Then why did they bend over backwards some years ago to keep it part of the city?"Regardless of the secession movement or the mental images of Staten Island as separate planet -- Staten Island was, is and remains a part of New York City. From a recent article from the Staten Island Advance: "Today is Saturday, November 3. There are 58 days left in the year. On this date 14 years ago, in 1993, after years of study and debate, 65 percent of Staten Islanders voted to secede from New York City. The movement seriously ignited in 1989, after the U.S. Supreme Court declared New York City's form of government unconstitutional. The court ruled it was illegal for Staten Island to have an equal vote on a government body called the Board of Estimate as the more populous city boroughs. But Island leaders and residents were worried they would lose any meaningful voice in a new city government. Former State Sen. John J. Marchi (R-Staten Island) spearheaded an effort to advance Island independence. The state Legislature and then-Gov. Mario M. Cuomo subsequently approved a law creating a charter study commission on secession. Unhappy with city decisions -- a sentiment that reached a fevered pitch during the tenure of former Mayor David N. Dinkins -- Staten Islanders endorsed the secession referendum by a nearly 2 to 1 margin in 1993. In 1995, the movement to secede passed the state Senate, however, the initiative stalled in the Democrat-controlled state Assembly, where Speaker Sheldon Silver of Manhattan said that the bill must be accompanied by a home-rule message from the Democrat-controlled City Council, which was unwilling to pave the way for the break-up of the city, taking a significant amount of steam out of the movement. A poll conducted in the fall of 1997 by Quinnipiac College, now Quinnipiac University, showed that 55 percent of 561 Islanders surveyed no longer want to secede. So, how did you vote in the secession movement? And, if you had it to do all over again, would you vote differently a second time around?" Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 4 02:16:31 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 3 17:45:22 2007. Brooklyn used to be its own city, before 1898, and it was the fourth largest city then in the United States. Brooklyn Borough Hall was actually the City Hall of Brooklyn before it joined the City Of Greater New York.Mike |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Nov 4 02:21:57 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Nov 3 12:04:02 2007. Sould SI secede from NYC what would be the most southern point of rail - Coney Island? |
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Sun Nov 4 03:27:35 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 21:37:33 2007. Yeah I seen the notice too at Euclid it was very interesting. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 4 03:35:40 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Alex L. on Sat Nov 3 18:25:35 2007. Sory to hear that ... let's just say I know who you're talking about. Dumbasses. :( |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Nov 4 03:36:17 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Nov 4 02:21:57 2007. No, in this country, as always it would be Florida. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Nov 4 03:45:14 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Nov 4 03:36:17 2007. I meant for NY state. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Nov 4 03:47:40 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Nov 4 03:45:14 2007. Oh, I see. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 4 06:33:22 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 4 02:16:31 2007. There use to be a few cities/Towns that make up what we call "Brooklyn" today.. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Nov 4 10:01:44 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Nov 3 23:09:02 2007. Many British EMUs still use those but only the older ones, including the 38 stock make the sound you're thinking about. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Nov 4 10:06:56 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Nov 4 03:45:14 2007. Rockaway Pk. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Nov 4 10:38:24 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Michael Wares on Sat Nov 3 23:05:08 2007. Wrong.    |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Nov 4 10:59:07 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 3 11:47:32 2007. I recall reading several years ago (probably a discussion over on subtalk) that the "official" definition of a "rapid transit" system for federal funding purposes requires it provide a service level of no less than 3 TPH for at least 16 hours a day, 5 days a week. So, as part of NYCT, SIR can be considered "rapid transit" because the the system as a whole meets the definition. LIRR and MNRR aren't part of NYCT, and don't meet the sustained headway requirements. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Nov 4 11:26:28 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Nov 4 10:59:07 2007. It's kind of stupid to categorize train lines by its frequency anyway. The Tokaido Shinkansen runs 7tph off-peak, 13tph peak and more trains during holidays, all of them 25m 16 car trains. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Nov 4 11:41:49 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Nov 4 10:38:24 2007. How are those pictures a contradiction? The top three seem to be shot not on MNCR but in Forest Hills, which is part of LIRR. I can't identify the last shot. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 11:45:26 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Nov 4 11:41:49 2007. It's by Shea Stadium. If you look closely, you can see the "Jane Parker" bakery sign in the background. That's now the Home Depot.OT- the connection to the old Central RR of LI was just about at the same spot. In the early 70's there were still some freight leads there. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 11:46:59 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 11:45:26 2007. Also, Skyline Towers, on Kissena Blvd., are also visible. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 4 12:05:18 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 14:22:59 2007. I know. I'm not making the argument that the SIR is a commuter line, I'm stating it operates more like a commuter line than a rapid transit line. I differentiate the two fairly easily. When I leave for the train station, if I'm headed to take a specifically scheduled train, it's commuter. If I just want to take a particular route, it's R.T. On Friday, I took the 7:36 out of Hoboken to Gladstone, but I never even bothered to see which train on the PATH schedule I took to get from Manhattan to Jersey. IIRC, SIR also has peak short-turns and trains which skip some stations, like a commuter railroad. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Nov 4 12:06:38 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Nov 4 11:41:49 2007. Oops, the first three are all LIRR shots, but only the first two are Forest Hills; the 3rd, as noted is Shea Stadium. Still unsure about the bottom one. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 4 12:10:01 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 3 17:53:00 2007. Are you saying that Staten Island Only mattered to the city because they DUMPED TRASH THERE? Yes. Their population's tax base is insufficient to cover the costs of city services provided. Simply put, it costs NYC more to maintain SI as a part of the city with little or no benefit to the other 4 boros. This is why SI would never really vote to seceede. It can't pay for the levels of city services it currently gets by itself. I don't mean to sound cruel. I'm just stating the cold, hard facts. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 4 12:10:59 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Nov 3 23:04:51 2007. There aren't enough Staten Islanders to make that significant. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Nov 4 12:11:03 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 11:45:26 2007. Yeah I know there was a Taystee [sic?] bakery there for years, between the Western Beef store and the expressway. On the OT, I thought that the expressway obliterated the freight leads, traces of which still seem to die under the overpass, if I remember right, just before the approach over College Point Blvd into Flushing-Main St station. Then again, even the connection to the old, long-defunct Flushing-Bridge St can still be seen, which is - I guess - why they announce the only existing stop as Flushing-Main St, to avoid confusion with the long gone Whitestone branch? |
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Posted by 9 local on Sun Nov 4 12:14:06 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Nov 3 22:39:16 2007. The Class 483 have only been in service on that line for about 15 years. They replaced the Class 485 and Class 486 "Standard" tube stock. And they have no intentions on replacing the Class 483s with newer equipment, even though a lot of new equipment has become available and even more will be in the next few years. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Nov 4 12:19:59 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 4 12:10:01 2007. True statements. SI is far better off being part of NYC.Query: What will they do now that the landfill is closed? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 4 12:28:49 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Nov 4 12:19:59 2007. The landfill has been closed for over a decade now. It was the one issue that carried SI so overwhelmingly for Giuliani in the '93 election. AFAIK, NYC exports it's garbage to landfills out of state. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Nov 4 12:31:59 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 4 12:28:49 2007. Agreed. What I'm asking is - you saifd the landfill was the contribution SI people make to the rest of the city. What are they doing now? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Nov 4 12:38:52 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Nov 4 10:38:24 2007. The bottom shot is cute. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Nov 4 12:48:53 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Nov 4 12:06:38 2007. Oh, not unsure at all, thanks to MainR3664.Officially then, there aren't any MNCR shots there, so I fail to see the contradiction originally argued for. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Nov 4 13:49:08 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Nov 4 10:06:56 2007. Ah, good point. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Nov 4 13:51:04 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 3 18:58:24 2007. That's good. Atlantic is the one that opens 1 car and Nassau opens 3 cars? So if this new station is built then would all stations be able to handle a 300' train? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 4 14:10:00 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Nov 3 12:03:05 2007. Ahhh, thanks. On the topic of the thread, however, if North Shore service gets restored, then a separate stock that is HBLR-compatible would be the smart way to go (only difference would be to equip the cars with flip-out ramps so that the platform need not be level with the car...or to allow for street-running). |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 4 14:11:57 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Nov 3 17:00:10 2007. The MTA can already go to OPTO, if it insists on a contract similar to what the NYCTA had placed on them...and retrain the conductors to do other duty, or integrate them into the NYCTA C/R list (using hiring date to place them by seniority). |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 4 14:13:55 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 3 17:10:01 2007. And guess what? In this case, it would be smarter to maintain separate stock for the North and South Shore lines...South Shore as is, and North Shore being HBLR-compatible.Both lines could be run as OPTO if the MTA presents the SIR union with the NYCTA contract. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Nov 4 17:21:15 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Railman718 on Sat Nov 3 21:36:00 2007. Damn, so those 3 incidents on the Larry over the past few years [2 in the yard one of them the 'launchpad'/other train derailment and the third the 8th av crash] cost the job of those 3 t/o's? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 20:33:39 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Nov 4 12:11:03 2007. Yeah, I remember the Taystee plant, but not Jane Parker (though the pic in question was taken during my lifetime). It closed in spring 1992. The name must have changed in the 70sRegarding the switches underneath the Van Wyck, I also noticed that remnant during an exploration I undertook in September 2006. But in fact, it wasn't the expressway that killed the spur- they co-existed. Look carefully at the shape of the white industrial building, and you'll see that it's curved to follow the ROW. Also, take a look at this page, with pics from 1978, on arrts-arrchives: http://www.arrts-arrchives.com/flushbr.html From the look of it, the spur was out of use by then, BUT the Taystee plant appears to have its own siding, no? The plant was opened in 1962 (I think), so the spur likely had at least some use in the post WW2 period. I'm sorry I'm not skilled enough to post a proper link. Finally, from what I've heard elsewhere (unfortunately, I can't remember where), you're right about the announcements for "Flushing Main Street". |
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