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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 27 13:16:30 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 26 17:16:39 2007. True, the locals between Jamaica and Flatbush ran at subway headways and only cost 10 cents (competitive with the other rapid transit systems). Before the extension of the BRT lines along Jamaica and Liberty Aves the LIRR was the only rail link for these neighborhoods in Queens. The nickel subway routes probably ate away at patronage and it was probably obsolete and uneeded by 1939. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Apr 27 14:41:24 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 24 17:09:44 2007. I don't think the el had anything to do with the declining businesses. I think it had more to do with neighborhood (actually the perception of the neighborhood) and the growing popularity of malls. The department stores of Hempstead declined at roughly the same time. |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Fri Apr 27 14:50:13 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Apr 27 14:41:24 2007. Your`re wrong jeff.I watched as jamaica died a slow death after the el came down. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Apr 27 14:52:12 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 24 12:28:29 2007. Do you really think the closing of Sutphin on the el would have increased ridership at the Woodhaven Station? I don't see the connection.By the way, most of the people getting off the LIRR at Jamaica to get the subway walked to Hillside to get the E & F. I remember a steady stream of people walking from the LIRR to Hillside. Of course I personally as a railfan would rather have taken the El. As unsafe as it was, I used to love riding between cars holding the holdbars all the way from Sutphin to Myrtle, where I would get off and take the old Q cars to Wyckoff and change for a BMT Standard on the LL to Manhattan. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Apr 27 14:53:27 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Karl B on Thu Apr 26 17:42:08 2007. ["...and relatives lived at 76th St and Atlantic."]Not at 76th and Pitkin??? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Apr 27 14:58:11 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by TunnelRat on Fri Apr 27 14:50:13 2007. I think it was more of a coincidence. Many downtown areas such as Hempstead declined the same time due to the rise of malls.By the way, Steve, sorry to say we'll have to miss you guys at Member's Day tomorrow due to a death in the family.
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Posted by TunnelRat on Fri Apr 27 15:04:08 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Apr 27 14:58:11 2007. no coincidence jeff,I grew up in south jamaica&watched the crowds get off at 168st everyday.Sorry for your loss,give our condolence to rosemary.we were looking foward to seeing you guys again. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 27 16:05:22 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Apr 27 14:58:11 2007. Jamaica was in trouble already before the el came down, but it didn't need to be completely plunged into decline by taking it's foot traffic away. The el certainly didn't help the situation, it made a bad situation even worse.But that being said, Broadway was also a healthy shopping district too back in the day, perhaps not to the extent of Jamaica of course, but a healthy drag just the same, and it fell all on it's own, while the trains continued to rumble overhead. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 27 16:16:56 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by TunnelRat on Fri Apr 27 14:50:13 2007. And as a child, I watched it as well. While the two anchor stores in Jamaica (Mays and Gertz) were tottering before the el closure, the rest of the neighborhood collapsed by 1980. Then came crack and everyone who wanted to shop started going to Green Acres. My family continued to use Jamaica as a major shopping destination into the 1980's, but by 1984 we were mall rats. And it was incredibly dumb to demolish the el at the same time a major court building was going up. That building in itself was a major draw for people. |
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Posted by Karl B on Fri Apr 27 20:35:37 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 27 13:09:40 2007. I'd like to see a photo of the Autumn Ave station if you ever locate it.I think that some years ago we tried to figure out when Railroad Ave became Autumn Ave, but were never able to pin it down. I know it was before my time. |
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Posted by Karl B on Fri Apr 27 20:41:43 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Apr 27 14:53:27 2007. I wouldn't admit it if I did have relatives at 76th St and Pitkin because I know what would start again. |
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Posted by Karl B on Fri Apr 27 20:44:39 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by TunnelRat on Fri Apr 27 14:50:13 2007. Every one in Cypress Hills used to take the el to Jamaica to shop. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 27 21:21:02 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Apr 27 14:58:11 2007. My condolences to you and yours. |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Fri Apr 27 21:42:35 2007, in response to WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Mon Apr 23 19:26:47 2007. I completely agree with you and I think it should be resurrected a subway line or LIRR line. |
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Posted by kawasakiR142 on Fri Apr 27 21:45:06 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 24 11:20:32 2007. The Nostrand Ave, and ENY customers are mainly shoppers going to Jamacia shopping areas and green acres mall.Btw Jeff Rosen do u work @ the GN OVS Station |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Fri Apr 27 21:59:55 2007, in response to WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Mon Apr 23 19:26:47 2007. I actually live in South Ozone Park and I live pretty close to the ROW and I feel that they really should reactivate the line somehow as a subway line or as a LIRR line. I just hope that maybe one day this ROW can be used transit wise. One thing though, they have to get all of those buses out of the tracks since I believe they are there illegally. Another thing is that they have to clear up the area (maybe develop it a little, theres a lot of junkyards/auto body shops, maybe put in a shopping center or something), But overall, I really would like to see the ROW reopened again. If they do ever do this they have to reopen the Woodhaven junction. Does anyone have photos of this station? |
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Posted by VictorM on Fri Apr 27 22:09:57 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Karl B on Fri Apr 27 20:35:37 2007. Here's a photo of the Autumn Ave (then called Railroad Ave) station from Art Huneke's web site: I remember the trains running above ground on Atlantic Ave when they relocated the original tracks to the sides so they could build the subway down the middle. That's why they closed nearly all the stations. I even remember an occasional MP41 train running. |
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Posted by Karl B on Fri Apr 27 22:30:56 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by VictorM on Fri Apr 27 22:09:57 2007. Thank You!I was hoping to see something in the neighboring buildings to jog my memory of the area, but I don't. It has been almost fifty years now since I moved away. I assume that picture is looking west, but maybe I'm wrong. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 27 22:36:00 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by kawasakiR142 on Fri Apr 27 21:45:06 2007. The Nostrand Ave, and ENY customers are mainly shoppers going to Jamacia shopping areas and green acres mall.Yeah, of course, that's why all the ones I have seen there are traveling at rush hour, and dressed like they are going to work..... |
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Posted by VictorM on Fri Apr 27 23:25:56 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Karl B on Fri Apr 27 22:30:56 2007. I'm not sure of the direction myself, but I think you're right. I still live in the area near the old Clarenceville station (111 St): Those buildings in the background still exist. Here's another interesting photo showing the LIRR when it was an el at Pennsylvania and Atlantic Aves while they were digging the subway. That bank building on the corner still exists: 
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Posted by Karl B on Sat Apr 28 01:23:28 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by VictorM on Fri Apr 27 23:25:56 2007. I remember the 111th St station on the Jamaica el very well where the gate cars from the Lexington Ave el used to terminate. It was very interesting to watch the activity there before 1950. I never got to the Atlantic Ave area of 111th St while the railroad was still on the surface.I remember a bank called the East New York Savings Bank at the intersection shown in your second picture, but I thought it was on the northeast corner, not the northwest. I'm sure that ENYSB has long since lost its identity. Is there any chance that you have a picture of the Chestnut St cutoff from the Fulton St end? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 28 13:33:39 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by VictorM on Fri Apr 27 23:25:56 2007. Art's the man for LIRR history stuff. I was not aware than the LIRR had elevated sections replaced by the subway, I thought it was meant to get the railroad off the surface. Why was this section of elevated replaced, yet the section around Nostrand Ave. not? |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Sat Apr 28 13:38:18 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Karl B on Sat Apr 28 01:23:28 2007. Is there any chance that you have a picture of the Chestnut St cutoff from the Fulton St end?This is from The East New York Project website. 
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 28 13:41:03 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Bob Andersen on Sat Apr 28 13:38:18 2007. Cool photo. Looks like a photo well after service ended, no tracks and such. |
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Posted by Karl B on Sat Apr 28 22:16:39 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Bob Andersen on Sat Apr 28 13:38:18 2007. Thanks Bob! That picture was taken about four blocks from where I lived. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Apr 28 23:46:54 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Karl B on Sat Apr 28 01:23:28 2007. That former East New York Savings Bank is at the southeast corner of Pennsylvania and Atlantic Aves (the photo is looking east). It's now the M&T Bank. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Apr 28 23:51:48 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 28 13:33:39 2007. I think it's because the ENY section was 4 tracks wide, but they needed only 2 tracks, so rather than abandoning half the structure, they replaced it with a 2 track subway. |
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Posted by Karl B on Sun Apr 29 00:35:21 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by VictorM on Sat Apr 28 23:46:54 2007. There have been a lot of changes since I left the city in '57.I worked for several years at the Hamburg Savings Bank at Fulton & Crescent (right where the el turns), I was recently told that the bank has changed its name three times since I've been gone. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Apr 29 00:45:49 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Karl B on Sun Apr 29 00:35:21 2007. Remember when there was a movie theater on the site of the Hamburg bank? I think it was called the Earle. It's amazing that many of the original lattice columns supporting the el at Crescent St are still in place. |
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Posted by Karl B on Sun Apr 29 01:13:47 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by VictorM on Sun Apr 29 00:45:49 2007. You're thinking of the Gem. The original Hamburg Bank was built in 1932 on the corner. The Gem theatre was in the middle of the block on Fulton between Crescent and Hemlock. I was working for the bank in 1954 when they purchased the recently closed Gem, tore it down, and expanded the bank taking up more than half of the block. I saw many, many movies in the old Gem in the 1940's an early 1950'sThe Earle was actually on Liberty Ave in City Line. IIRC it was on Liberty near Lincoln Ave. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 29 01:37:56 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by VictorM on Sun Apr 29 00:45:49 2007. Wasn't the Earl on Northern Blvd around 84th St? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 29 02:07:20 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 29 01:37:56 2007. Just did a search and there was an Earl Theater at 1114 Liberty Avenue as well. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Apr 29 02:14:47 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Karl B on Sun Apr 29 01:13:47 2007. Thanks for the correction. I seem to recall both theaters ran their ads together in the Long Island Press. Maybe they were under the same owner. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 29 02:21:40 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Karl B on Sun Apr 29 01:13:47 2007. 1114 Liberty Ave |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Apr 29 09:59:08 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Karl B on Sun Apr 29 00:35:21 2007. Banks change their names every three weeks. It is part of a scam to make you buy new checks.ROARING |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Apr 29 10:09:46 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Apr 29 09:59:08 2007. A little off topic but funny you should mention scams by banks. Bank of NY was recently taken over by Chase. Chase's savings interest rate is about 1% higher than BONY. The only thing is they are keeping the old interest rate for ex-BONY depositors. When I asked them why, the manager said with a smile, we're grandfathering them in. When I said grandfathering is usually beneficial to the customer she couldn't answer. So if anyone out there has a BONY savings account you have to go in, and sign a couple of forms to get higher interest. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 29 10:15:33 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Apr 29 10:09:46 2007. CitiBank's online savings account is at 4.5% |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 29 12:03:52 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Apr 29 09:59:08 2007. My bank merged with another in 2002. I still use the checks I got when I opened it in 1995. I still get a strange look from new employees who don't realize what the bank USED to be called. As long as the account and routing numbers are still accurate, they accept them. |
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Posted by Karl B on Sun Apr 29 20:34:42 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 29 02:07:20 2007. The one on Liberty Ave was a fairly small theatre. You could hear the el every time a train went by.I was never in the one on Northern Blvd, and didn't even know about it. |
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Posted by Karl B on Sun Apr 29 20:37:09 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by VictorM on Sun Apr 29 02:14:47 2007. I think they did run their ads together. I delivered the Long Island Press in Brooklyn for about 5 years in the late 1940's, early '50's. |
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