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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Apr 23 20:48:36 2007, in response to WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Mon Apr 23 19:26:47 2007. I for one wholeheartedly agree with you. Having the "H" Shuttle serve that area might just work. Then there is the matter of a couple hundred School Beese.....As for the Woodhaven underground station - still structurally intact! Might there be a lot to put a stationhouse on the NE corner of Atlantic and 102nd? A poll should definitely be taken, if nothing less. Might want to mention the time factor: from Rockaway Parkway (A) station to Hoyt-Schermerhorn vs. Woodhaven to Flatbush via LIRR. I don't think there's much comparison. wayne |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 23 21:00:37 2007, in response to WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Mon Apr 23 19:26:47 2007. I don't think anywhere near enough people would use it to justify it's reactivation. It would have been great to have it open during the transit strike 2 years ago. Then again, how many people use Nostrand Ave? |
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Posted by jabrams on Mon Apr 23 22:10:54 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Apr 23 20:48:36 2007. It's Rockaway Park (A) station, Rockaway Parkway is the terminal for the "L" line. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Mon Apr 23 22:26:57 2007, in response to WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Mon Apr 23 19:26:47 2007. dowtown Brooklyn USAAs opposed to "dowtown" Brooklyn Holland? NYMBY Not yn my backe yarde? |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Apr 23 22:56:15 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by jabrams on Mon Apr 23 22:10:54 2007. I stand corrected, too many different Rockaways."96th St-Rockaway Boulevard" as it said on the OLD maps. =w= |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Apr 23 23:00:00 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 23 21:00:37 2007. Actually, when I went to Nostrand the other day, I was surprised to see it being used by more than 5 people during mid day. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 23 23:24:09 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Apr 23 23:00:00 2007. Nostrand Avenue gets decent ridership even though the station is more used on weekends than on weekdays. Now East New York is a station where I'd be surprised to see more than 5 people. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Apr 24 11:16:05 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 23 23:24:09 2007. I'd expect more reverse peak out of ENY |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 24 11:20:32 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 23 23:24:09 2007. ["Now East New York is a station where I'd be surprised to see more than 5 people."] |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 24 11:43:55 2007, in response to WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Mon Apr 23 19:26:47 2007. I agree. I've often wondered why Woodhaven residents haven't protested more about losing LIRR service. Woodhaven lost two LIRR stops within 15 years - the elevated station in 1962, when service to Ozone Park ended, and the underground one in 1976, when the MTA closed the station citing underutilization. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 24 12:28:29 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 24 11:43:55 2007. We don't want or need it, at least not to the level that it should have not been eliminated. However, the truncation of the Jamaica Ave. el at Queens Blvd a year after Woodhaven closed probably would have increased patronage slightly, since there was no real subway/LIRR connection anymore in Jamaica. But that was rendered unimportant after the Archer Ave. line opened 11 years later. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Apr 24 15:31:40 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Apr 24 11:16:05 2007. Same with Nostrand. Mostly reverse peak. I would hope so..... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Apr 24 16:38:11 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Apr 23 22:56:15 2007. Rockaway Parkway is on the Larry.:) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 24 17:09:44 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 24 12:28:29 2007. I read somewhere that business along Jamaica Avenue between 121st Street and 168th Street actually declined after the el was torn down. The business owners had said that eliminating the noisy el would increase business. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 24 17:38:45 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 23 23:24:09 2007. Now East New York is a station where I'd be surprised to see more than 5 people.Are you kidding? East New York has plenty of people using that station, mostly rush hours....but interestingly, most people using it in the morning are going Jamaica bound, and most people in the afternoon, getting off there from Flatbush bound trains. I have used ENY many of times at those times, and there plenty of people getting on or off. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 24 17:39:28 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Apr 24 11:16:05 2007. You are correct. |
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Posted by Karl B on Tue Apr 24 19:43:31 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 24 11:43:55 2007. When I was a kid in the late 1930's and early 1940's, I can remember the LIRR running along the surface of Atlantic Ave, but I have no recollection of the Woodhaven station. |
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Posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Tue Apr 24 20:19:49 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Karl B on Tue Apr 24 19:43:31 2007. Does the MTA own the part of the row where the school bus company which I belive is Logan or little Richie are parking there buses, and do the MTA rent this portion of the row to them? If so time to kick them outta da row!!! |
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Posted by Karl B on Tue Apr 24 20:29:27 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Tue Apr 24 20:19:49 2007. I can't help you. I moved away in 1957. |
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Posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Tue Apr 24 20:33:00 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Tue Apr 24 20:19:49 2007. New thought or maybe not so new. How about LIRR from Penn station to Howard Beach? It would connect to the Airtrain. Yes I know it is not a "ONE SEAT RIDE TO THE JFK AIR TERMINALS but hey at least you get a fast ride for aireline passengers and people who want a fast ride to Midtown. Again kick out the bus compamies that inhahabbit the row, They should not be an obstacle nor should NOT IN MY BACK YARD JERKIES, the Railroad was there for many years, they come first. Also since the 2000 CENSUS I think Woodstation area has grown alot just ask the people if the want better service!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 24 20:48:29 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Tue Apr 24 20:33:00 2007. Before AirTrain that would have been a good idea, but now with Airtrain, I don't think it would be too much faster than just taking the LIRR from Penn to Jamaica and using AirTrain from there, than taking the LIRR from Penn to Howard Beach to get AirTrain.....not to mention that the Jamaica connection of AirTrain opens up the entire LIRR (except Port Washington). |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Apr 24 23:43:02 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Karl B on Tue Apr 24 19:43:31 2007. I believe the underground Woodhaven station opened in 1942.-w- |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 25 12:24:40 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Apr 24 23:43:02 2007. December, to be exact. Unusual, since that indicated that the tunnel under Atlantic Ave in Queens continued construction through the first year of the war, while other subway projects (like the Fulton St. line east of ENY) were suspended. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 25 12:29:01 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Karl B on Tue Apr 24 19:43:31 2007. I have some pictures of the old Woodhaven Junction station as well as Union Course (near where Rockaway Blvd intersects Atlantic Ave). With all those grade crossings, it must've been an ordeal for both trains traversing the ROW and people attempting to cross it. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Apr 25 19:02:50 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Apr 23 20:48:36 2007. Nothing really visible - the neighborhood is fairly safe - it can be reached from the 104th St station on the "J" (about .3 mile walk).You might be able to detect the entrance as a covered stretch of sidewalk. wayne |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Apr 25 20:39:04 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Apr 24 15:31:40 2007. Yes, it is mostly reverse peak. Any peak ridership at Nostrand is disembarking at Nostrand, not getting on. |
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Posted by Karl B on Wed Apr 25 20:44:09 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Apr 24 23:43:02 2007. When the LIRR was still on the surface, was there a surface station? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Apr 25 20:48:05 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 24 20:48:29 2007. I agree with you for once about that. The fact that airtrain is there now is the only reason I'm thinking a subway would be better for Rockaway ROW. The ONLY remaining reason for LIRR to Howard Beach is for the sake of a faster trip from Brooklyn(and possibly in the future, downtown manhattan) to Howard Beach. It'll be a lot faster than the subway.The thing is though, you then have the remainder of the Rockaway ROW with nothing on it. Do you still do LIRR? Do you do a subway to just Woodhaven? Do you do LRT? |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Apr 25 23:16:00 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Karl B on Wed Apr 25 20:44:09 2007. Yes; Woodhaven Junction was its name. And IIRC there were two stations - one on the Rockaway leg, the other on the mainline. Not sure if the two legs were grade-separated (I kind of think they were), but the "airport cut-off" was there at ground level (before they depressed it).wayne |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Apr 25 23:21:53 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Apr 25 20:48:05 2007. You leave Whitepot Junction to Mother Nature, you make use of the bellmouth that has been provided between 63 Drive and 67 Avenue, you make a bit of a mess in 66 Avenue (tellwidthenimbies) and you send the "R" train down to Rockaway Park!-w- |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Apr 25 23:40:02 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Apr 25 23:21:53 2007. meh |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 25 23:44:14 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Apr 25 20:48:05 2007. LIRR is useless on the remainder....only useful for the subway |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Apr 25 23:51:12 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 25 23:44:14 2007. LRT? |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Apr 26 00:03:37 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Apr 25 23:51:12 2007. He said subway. |
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Posted by Karl B on Thu Apr 26 01:00:44 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Apr 25 23:16:00 2007. It's funny, but I have no recollection of the station, but I can remember the trains.I was only a little kid at the time, so I guess that is the reason. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Apr 26 04:39:54 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Apr 25 23:21:53 2007. Better yet, you send the Queens segment of the SAS to Rock Park. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 26 08:10:12 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Apr 25 23:21:53 2007. Felix looks at the mess and says, "Hmahhhhh!! Hmahhhhhhh!!" |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 26 09:12:08 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Apr 26 00:03:37 2007. I know, he's asking me if I think LRT would be usefull, and I would probably say yes, more useful than LIRR, but perhaps not as useful as subway. Light could work perhaps.I feel light rail may work better though on a grade level line, where people can jump on and off easy, and the Rockaway line is on an enbankment....but it's still better than no use or service there, and definitely better than LIRR service. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 26 11:22:44 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 26 09:12:08 2007. Thank you. I was askin what your opinion was on LRT. Again, if airtrain had not been build already, I would've said LIRR 100%. However, now that airtrain has been built, I think LIRR is out. From both Brooklyn and Manhattan, you can just take LIRR to Jamaica and get airtrain there.The only reason I'd say LRT over subway is because LRT doesn't connect to the supposedly overcrowded Queens Blvd trunk. LRT can just run the surface on Queens Blvd(which would also bring rail transit to a stretch of Queens Blvd that doesn't have it, as small as that stretch is) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 26 12:18:42 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Apr 25 23:16:00 2007. Depends on the time. Before 1900 or so, both lines crossed at grade, after the Rockaway line was seperated and elevated over the Atlantic line. There were also many, many stations eliminated when the tunnel in Queens opened, Woodhaven Junction being the only one retained. I can only recall the names of 2 (Union Course and Morris Park). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 26 12:21:42 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Karl B on Thu Apr 26 01:00:44 2007. Most of the stations (except Woodhaven Jctn) closed in 1939, 3 years before the trains were removed from Atlantic Ave. Perhaps your memories date to this intermediate period of time. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Apr 26 13:33:39 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 26 12:18:42 2007. There were a few others - Warwick Avenue, Autumn Avenue, Clarenceville and Dunton were the others I think. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Apr 26 15:14:23 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Apr 26 13:33:39 2007. Here's a list of all the stations that ever existed on the Atlantic Ave. line
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Apr 26 16:57:00 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Apr 26 15:14:23 2007. A train had to stop at each of these stations?Its a wonder the train ever reached Jamaica. Some of these stations are a block apart, I believe. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 26 17:16:39 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Apr 26 16:57:00 2007. The service was not a commuter operation, it was a rapid transit operation. Yes, it did reach Jamaica. |
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Posted by Karl B on Thu Apr 26 17:42:08 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 26 12:21:42 2007. Chris, Can you give me a numbered street where the station was located?I think I know why I can't remember it. The family doctor was at Crescent and Atlantic, good friends lived at Elderts Lane (Woodhaven side) and Atlantic, and relatives lived at 76th St and Atlantic. I think that as a kid I probably was never far enough east to even see the station. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 27 13:09:40 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Karl B on Thu Apr 26 17:42:08 2007. The Union Course station was located at 80th St. and Atlantic Ave, where Rockaway Blvd now crosses at an angle, creating "The Triangle". There was another just across the Brooklyn border at Autumn Ave. These were local stations with side platforms. I have a few photos of Union Course through the years it operated, but I need to scan and upload them. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 27 13:12:10 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Apr 26 13:33:39 2007. Yes, Autumn was the next stop after Union Course heading towards Flatbush, Clarenceville being the next one after Woodhaven headed towards Jamaica. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 27 13:13:31 2007, in response to Re: WOODHAVEN STATION LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Apr 26 16:57:00 2007. Not all existed at the same time. Some were eliminated during electrification and didn't survive until 1939. |
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