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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:32:03 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 7 09:03:28 2009. Thanks for the link by the way! Forgetting the problems these new residents will have on the LIRR, I have to say, I like the architecture of the new condo...bringing in features of the old powerhouse. Nicely done! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:35:31 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 4 13:04:55 2009. Trust me, the LIC yard is on borrowed time, unless there's a drastic shift in public sentiment.And contrary to what people in this thread are saying about it being "irrelevant" on "who" they elect, it is highly relevant. The politicians in power deflect all responsibility, and no one is responsible for their actions. They will side with the people that spent millions on these condos, instead of the LIRR that has been there for 150 years. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:37:51 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 4 19:12:45 2009. TARP only helps the banks who lost too much on risky investments— a move supported by the right wing.AND OBAMA AND THE LEFT WING, who continued the process. Our national debt is now triple what it was under bush because of the train wreck of bailouts and spending the CURRENT administration is on. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:38:44 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 18:42:02 2009. I'll do my best to ignore your future posts.How childish to say something like that because you happen to disagree with his position. How childish. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:39:49 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 22:51:42 2009. And if you start ignoring posts just because they don't fit your preconceptions (because that's what they are), you'll miss out on some vital information, not to mention a clear view of reality.Someone says something he doesn't agree with, and then goes running and crying in the corner. "I can't hear you", while covering his ears.. How juvenile. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 11:41:53 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 4 22:06:00 2009. Who cares what court it gets sent to? They're all packed with judges who legislate from the bench. It doesn't matter, they'll find plenty of judges who will order it closed for this or that. My money is on environmental grounds. Some activist group will do a study about the asthma rates with children living in LIC. That's usually enough. It's the tactic used to target bus depots in Harlem, despite no clear evidence that bus fumes cause asthma. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:46:54 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 4 21:31:17 2009. Why the LIRR will fight to the death: Where else would it maintain its diesel locos? LIC is its shop.No, Morris Park is it's diesel shop. That being said, so long as there is diesel service to Hunterspoint Ave, the need for the LIC yard will be there. But we do have East Side Access coming, and the need for Hunterspoint Ave service will soon be at question. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:48:14 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 4 21:33:11 2009. This time is different: A settlement will probably ask for full funding to build a new diesel maintenance facility, along with siting and the appropriate EISes for such.The question is: Where else woould a diesel loco shop be? In addition, and this is a correction from prior: The yard is technically not LIRR property, but a lease is pretty hard to break without cause. What are you talking about? The LIRR's diesel shop is Morris Park near richmond Hill. No where near this yard. Why would they have to build another diesel loco shop? There is nothing wrong with the one at Morris Park. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:51:36 2009, in response to Re: Transplanted Yuppies get steamed, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 6 15:13:49 2009. That sounds like a homeowner out in Suffolk that I know of that bought a [reasonably priced] home, but it's right next to a bar/club restaurant. Since moving in, all he did was complain. The restaurant/club/bar has been a bar/restaurant there since the 1950's. He's also forgtting that he got the "good deal" on the house he bought because it was next to said club. If you want the low priced house (which is probably low priced for a reason), you have to take the consequences. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 7 12:02:52 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:29:30 2009. What are you talking about? |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:13:12 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:37:51 2009. Who on the left wing supports any of that?Just a reminder: Obama is not left-wing, and very few Democrats are left-wing. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 12:13:52 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 11:41:53 2009. Who cares what court it gets sent to? They're all packed with judges who legislate from the bench. It doesn't matter, they'll find plenty of judges who will order it closed for this or that.This is just simple reasoning for people who are confused - or who want to be confused - about the difference between political judgments and legal ones. I have cited actual legal reasoning. You have cited navel gazing. Let's put this to the test: Some activist group will do a study about the asthma rates with children living in LIC. That's usually enough. It's the tactic used to target bus depots in Harlem, despite no clear evidence that bus fumes cause asthma. What's the name of the judicial decision that ordered bus depots in Harlem closed? When politicians and bureaucrats make a policy decision, that is not something ordered by a court, e.g., no court ordered MTA to use its expensive kind of diesel fuel. Politicians in Harlem don't have the same favored policy positions as the ones for LIRR's 'third track' project. But lo, there's opposition there too. As for what the people and politicians in Harlem do, the politicians and civic groups in my area would do the same if MTA ever wanted to site a train yard, bus depot, or anything like that nearby. You can definitely bet and win handsomely that the people and politicians in some very "rightward leaning" area would do the same. In the 1970s, NYC wanted to build low income housing projects in Forest Hills and Baisley Park, both then middle income areas in Queens; the latter's population was mostly Black. Both communities opposed NYC's plans. Why? Simple. Anything that lowered their property values was bad. The stuff about race, etc., that played such a prominent role, was only dressing. Same thing goes for LIRR's yard on Borden Av. It lowers residents' property values; so they reason that it must go. They don't care if your theory to get rid of it is left wing, right wing, communist, anarchist, libertarian, whatever. They just want their property values to increase. So I think that you are ultimately just missing the big picture about what these resident want because you are more interested in seeing some vast left-wing conspiracy at work. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:14:21 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:39:49 2009. What the hell are you talking about? This may come as a shock, but I have better things to do than argue with right-wing nuts all day. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 12:15:37 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:48:14 2009. There is nothing wrong with the one at Morris Park.You should read the last report they put out about that! They have their problems. That said, it is the LIRR's locomotive shop. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:16:48 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:35:31 2009. They will side with the people that spent millions on these condos, instead of the LIRR that has been there for 150 years.Ah, jumping to conclusions, I see. How goes that? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:21:17 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 4 19:12:45 2009. I see the usual insults, while ignoring the key points I made.And I've worked for Wal Mart-style stores in my life. I received no health insurance when I did. I also have money invested with both banks and financial institutions. So I speak from experience. You, OTOH just regurgitate someone else's blog postings. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:22:57 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:13:12 2009. Well, it's easy to argue the Earth is flat when you claim that the Earth is not round. Obama is left wing, his entire political career proves this. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:24:20 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 4 23:00:14 2009. Bush was not far right wing. He expanded government at a rate which would make liberal Democrats jealous. Spending ballooned under his watch. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:24:39 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:21:17 2009. So you support public health care, then? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:26:29 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 18:42:02 2009. Taking your ball and going home? That's grade school playground behavior, but as an adult in a debate, it's a sign that you've been checkmated.Lion is 100% accurate. Economically, Bush was no right wing conservative. Spending wise, he made absolutely not attempt to appear as one. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:27:21 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:24:20 2009. This post proves that you are fundamentally too detached from reality to be reasoned with. No facts will convince you because you are unable to process basic facts. Why don't you just come up with conspiracy theories and leave the adults alone to run things for a change? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:31:14 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 6 07:54:19 2009. NOW as for bid-free contracts with HALIBURTON. You are full of bovine by-product. THOSE contracts were bid and signed in the Clinton years.Not only that, but Haliburton was (and still is) the only U.S. company which is set up to do what they were awarded a contract for doing. How can one expect multiple bids if only one company can do the job required? Nilet and brighton are simply regurgitating the stuff they read on left-of-center websites. It's why I've come to call the internet the "disinformation superhighway". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 12:31:56 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 12:15:37 2009. Well dealing with the DE/DM30's, it's no surprise Morris Park, their shop, is in chaos!! Haha. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:33:17 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 22:51:42 2009. On taxes, he was a Reganite.On spending, he was a Rockerfeller (meaning a Democrat with an R after his name). On social issues, he was fairly conservative. On foreign relations, he was a Cold Warrior. Except for the social issues, he was clearly his father's son. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 12:33:50 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:27:21 2009. Knock it off. You're wrong, and the only way you think you can defend it is by name-calling. You don't have the facts on your side, otherwise you'd be able to cite facts. Try studying history (and politics) for a change. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 12:34:18 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:14:21 2009. I would hope so, but to say "I will make a point to not read your posts anymore", just because you don't agree with his point of view? Don't you find that a little childish to say something like that? Fine, don't agree, or don't fell like arguing....then say, "I don't agree with you", and move on.... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:34:43 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:14:21 2009. You're continuing the childish behavior....if you don't want to argue with people who disagree with you, DON'T GET INVOLVED IN POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS TO BEGIN WITH! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 12:36:59 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:27:21 2009. This post proves that you are fundamentally too detached from reality to be reasoned with. No facts will convince you because you are unable to process basic facts.Unfortunately, it appears it is you that has that problem. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with his point of view, but don't throw your arms up and begin calling him a child for having that point of view. Your reaction is what is childish, not his. His point of view is just as valid as yours, but it is you that is being unreasonable with opposition to your views or opinions are thrown in front of you. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 12:37:17 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 12:31:56 2009. Even more like the DE/DM30s are the way that they are because of the shop, and because they were lemony to begin with, probably. See the report here, especially the part on maintenance facilities. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:37:50 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 12:34:18 2009. Cute use of selective quoting there! You're clearly well-versed in propaganda techniques! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 7 12:38:52 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:31:14 2009. It's why I've come to call the internet the "disinformation superhighway"Way more than "information" thereof. And the worst is yet to come, especially if the EU cajoles the president into giving up ICANN. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 12:38:59 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:13:12 2009. I am afraid you are a little clouded by reality. Obama is in the left wing. Democrats are in the left wing. If they sway left of center, they are left wing. What is perhaps up for debate is if they are "far" left wing or not, but there is no question they are "left". If they are not left, they are right, and Obama is surely not in the right wing. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:39:19 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:38:44 2009. And typical of the left. Go to a liberal board and post a conservative argument. Expect to be insulted, or expect people to complain about how they can avoid seeing your posts to begin with. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:40:17 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:34:43 2009. This isn't really a political discussion; it's hardly even an argument. At this point, it's just a contradiction (plus abuse). |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:41:58 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:39:19 2009. That's funny— all the liberal boards allow conservative comments and posts; all the conservative boards ban liberal posters. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:42:11 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 00:07:41 2009. You don't judge a man's political leanings on his latest speech. You use his whole career. Obama's career has been one big pile of liberalism....his pathetic attempts to appear centrists nowadays notwithstanding.The only time Obama ever moves to the center is because he's forced to by political necessity. The only thing that stops him from proposing socialized medicine outright is his knowledge that it would never make it through Congress. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:42:54 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 12:38:59 2009. The problem is that you have no idea whatsoever where the center is.Take public health care, for example. A government run health plan: Left, right, or center? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 12:45:06 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 7 12:02:52 2009. Case in point. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:45:24 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:40:17 2009. It's clearly an argument, one you don't want to engage in because people are dismissing your precious declarations of "fact". |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:48:32 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 7 06:02:11 2009. I don't know why Chris has to bring up Obama on an issue with a train yard.I didn't. I simply noted the hypocricy of whining about this campaign to close this yard when said whiners vote for politicians who appoint judges who are pre-conditioned to side with the protesters. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 7 12:48:39 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 12:45:06 2009. LOL, good post. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 7 12:48:50 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:29:30 2009. haha, exactly. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 12:52:55 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:42:54 2009. The problem is that you have no idea whatsoever where the center is.No, it's YOU that has no idea where the center is. Your thought process is SOOOOOO far removed from the zero point and so far to the left, that you lost your focus on the zero point. Good god, you make JayZeeBMT look like a right wing ultrareligious right wingnut, and that is saying a lot. If this is your grasp of "the center", you are so fallen over to the left that you can't see clearly: http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=804788 Bush was far right wing, Clinton was moderate right-wing, Bush II was extreme right-wing, and Obama is centrist on some issues and far right wing on others. Again, if that is how you see our former and current presidents, you are FAR left wing, perhaps more far to the left than any other poster here. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:55:44 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:27:21 2009. Are you seriously arguing that Bush and his GOP allies in Congress did NOT expand spending at a record rate? Even John Stossel dedicated the largest chapter in his book "Myths. Lies and Downright Stupidity" to the false notion that Republicans in DC have effectively reduced spending. Bush oversaw the creation of a whole new department (Homeland Security), something not seen since Carter created the DOE in the 70's. Education spending under Bush grew at the fastest pace EVER recorded, almost 50 percent!It's you who cannot process the facts. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:57:51 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:42:54 2009. Of course, anyone's view will cause what he thinks the "center" is to differ from person to person. No one is denying that. But you seem to be immune from that factor. How do you do it? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 13:02:39 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:48:32 2009. I simply noted the hypocricy of whining about this campaign to close this yard when said whiners vote for politicians who appoint judges who are pre-conditioned to side with the protesters.Calling people who post here whiners is strong stuff. Seems to me that you're just whining about your favored political candidates finding less favor with the electorate last time around, and working this in whether it's relevant or not to the discussion at hand. Cite for us then the pertinent judicial decisions by these alleged "judges who are pre-conditioned to side with the protesters." I keep asking, you keep ducking the question. You brought up the issue of asthma studies with respect to Harlem (you really meant Upper Manhattan) bus depots, but where is the judicial decision ordering these depots to shut down? So YOU have a lot of whining, and no evidence. If you've got it, show it. |
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Posted by f179dj on Tue Jul 7 13:05:33 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:22:57 2009. Funny thing. The earth can be flat and round at the same time. Not that I am a member of the Flat Earth Society (are they still around?). |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 13:06:26 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 12:55:44 2009.  Since when did absolute spending numbers have anything to do with left/right?Bush spent on the war and tax cuts for the rich. If I even need to explain that such are the sole purview of the right wing, I doubt this "argument" will ever cease going around in circles. Now if you don't mind, real life intervenes and I'll have to put aside this pointless bickering which you apparently have all day to sit around and think about. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 7 13:07:01 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 13:02:39 2009. Calling people who post here whiners is strong stuff.I could think of stronger names. I'd say "whiner" is fairly benign. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 13:07:15 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 12:52:55 2009. Nice dodge, there. Now try answering the question. |
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