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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 7 21:36:24 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 7 21:35:15 2009. lol |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 21:40:16 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 7 21:15:06 2009. His question was answered. So in your "oh yeah" world, you also believe that Bill Clinton and Obama are right wingers, seeing you are agreeing with Nilet on this? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 21:42:19 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 7 21:12:59 2009. If I spend the time to have an adult debate with someone, yes, I care about what they say. When I stop responding to someone is when I have given up on having an adult conversation with them. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 21:43:53 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 21:42:19 2009. ...and having an adult debate or conversation involves respect between the two people. And to have respect for the other person, yes, you need to "care" what they say. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 7 21:46:24 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 21:21:28 2009. I imagine that some LIRR riders (not from the Port Washington Branch) destined for Lower Manhattan will try to use ESA to save time, but once they discover how deep the ESA terminal is, they should change their tune.First, the downtown 4 and 5 are already crowded with people from the Bronx, UES and MNR. That alone should change their tune. Both Penn and Flatbush have six lines each going to Lower Manhattan. Second, will it really save them time? My guess is no. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 7 21:48:32 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 7 21:35:40 2009. yup |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 7 21:49:40 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 7 21:48:32 2009. nope |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 7 21:58:47 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 21:42:19 2009. Adults are no fun. I'd rather talk with LIONS and TIGERS and LEOPARDS.ROAR |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 7 21:59:12 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 21:43:53 2009. My point was that the political beliefs of these NIMBYs are irrelevant on the issue with the train yard. Even if they were conservative, liberal, or moderate, does it really matter? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 7 22:01:10 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 21:43:53 2009. Exactly. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 7 22:01:59 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 7 21:59:12 2009. Um, it was already explained why. You saying it doesn't mater doesn't at all refute someone else who make a statement as to why it does matter. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 22:04:41 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 7 21:59:12 2009. It is relevant. Our politicians are the ones that fight...or don't fight for what we want. If we want public transportation, we vote in officials that will vote for it. We vote in our politicians, so we are responsible for what they do. So if the politicians we vote in, side with people that side with people that come into a neighborhood expecting the railroad to bend over backwards for them, then yes, it's very relevant. Most liberal politicians would be all over backing up the NIMBY's in this case. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 7 22:39:59 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 7 21:46:24 2009. Well, that's a reaosn why the ESA won't truly be a help until a full-length SAS is built...which will likely be never! |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 7 23:11:29 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 22:04:41 2009. My point still stands. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Tue Jul 7 23:11:40 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by R143 on Tue Jul 7 19:06:41 2009. Is the right-of-way wide enough that they could build extra tracks to allow subway and freight operations to be on separate tracks? Rapid transit on Lower Montauk would be great for so many reasons.If money were no object and our politicians actually had some will, I'd propose running a new subway line from Jamaica along the Lower Montauk line, then run it into a new tunnel under the East River and 34th Street, terminating at 11th Avenue. It would connect to so many subway lines in Manhattan, the PATH train, Amtrak, NJT and Madison Square Garden, the Empire State Building, the Javits Center, etc. I really think that's something well worth considering. Way better than closing it down completely after ESA opens. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Tue Jul 7 23:16:30 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by d_mind on Tue Jul 7 14:50:57 2009. The MTA should be looking at providing some sort of alternate rail service with a direct connection to Manhattan on the Lower Montauk branch to coincide with ESA's opening. Shutting it down completely would be a huge mistake. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jul 7 23:17:45 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 4 12:37:57 2009. Stop making SubChat partisan. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 7 23:29:43 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 7 23:11:29 2009. LOL, no it doesn't! |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 7 23:50:05 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 7 22:39:59 2009. I have a feeling that ESA will never be much help for Downtown access from the LIRR. SAS or not. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 7 23:50:23 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 21:27:02 2009. No problem. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 8 00:01:45 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 7 23:11:29 2009. It absolutely does. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 8 00:08:26 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 4 23:00:14 2009. You are not serious, are you? Bush II was not extreme right wing. In fact, he lost conservative support because he was moving too far to the left. Obama Right wing? Seems to me that you might not know your right hand from your left hand? You might want to consider suing the Bd. of Education in your locale. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 8 00:12:21 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 4 22:00:56 2009. Okay; I didn't realize that Morris Park is a shop (although I see many diesels there). |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 8 00:40:59 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 12:38:59 2009. Not true..not ALL DEMS are "left wing"....I am certainly not...I may be a "dem",but I am an "INDEPENDENT MODERATE",agreeing with the Repukes of SOME ISSUES... NOT MANY...but some. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 8 06:01:11 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 8 00:12:21 2009. um............. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 8 06:04:59 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jul 5 12:40:39 2009. Only 20???? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 8 06:14:24 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 4 12:37:57 2009. but don't question his inability to improve himself so he doesn't have to rely on a shit job to pay the bills.This is stupid. If everyone were sufficiently qualified to work at some place better than Wal*Mart, then all that would happen is that overqualified people would be working at Wal*Mart, being paid the same wage that current Wal*Mart employees are paid. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 8 06:39:29 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 12:13:52 2009. Excellent post.I've seen many a right winger become born again environmentalists when development shows up in their neighborhood. It's all about money, not philosophy. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 8 06:40:00 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 4 13:08:02 2009. Wal*Mart has tried to open a store in NYC but idiot politicians and community activists have always shot them down. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 8 06:41:40 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 4 19:12:42 2009. You can always take out an unsubsidized loan. And acquiring skills is not always equal to going to college. Going to trade school or something isn't as expensive. One can work at the same time. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 8 06:45:59 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 4 23:00:14 2009. Bush was far right wing, Clinton was moderate right-wing, Bush II was extreme right-wing, and Obama is centrist on some issues and far right wing on others.If you believe this, then you're nearly as left-wing as Lenin. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 8 06:53:42 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jul 5 12:40:39 2009. Nope |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 8 06:59:26 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 4 18:57:57 2009. Target? A european company? BZZZZZZZ, wrong answer. Try again.It is a publicly trade corporation listed on the NYSE. Symbol TGT. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 8 07:03:21 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 4 19:05:03 2009. Comapared to what they gross, that's nothing.Target gives away about 150 milion dollars a year, a much larger precentage of what the gross, to philanthropic endeavors. |
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Posted by Deaks on Wed Jul 8 08:12:34 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 7 21:35:15 2009. You are such an obnoxious prick. You should be banned from here. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Wed Jul 8 08:18:32 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Deaks on Wed Jul 8 08:12:34 2009. I agree. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 8 08:42:44 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by straphanger9 on Mon Jul 6 20:41:09 2009. LOLoh, it's Charbucks, for the over-roasting of their coffee. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jul 8 10:21:05 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by straphanger9 on Mon Jul 6 20:41:09 2009. ...especially if it's one of those Starbucks...double mocha frappa wappa lattes topped with whipped creme and pretentiousness.Haha; reminds me of my neighbor talking about his grandkids - "They'll pay fi'dollas for a cuppa coffee just 'cause it's called a mochachocofrocolococcino." |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 8 11:24:58 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 7 12:41:58 2009. That's a pile of shite. Every conservative board I go to (not many, but some of the most popular) allow dissenting points of view. In fact, they INVITE it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 8 11:27:24 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by R143 on Tue Jul 7 19:15:44 2009. All boards are moderated. If all you're gonna do is use insults, you'll be banned no matter what your political affiliation is. There was a gay marriage thread on Democraticunderground.com which got deleted recently for no other reason than one person said that homosexual activity was condemned by the Bible. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jul 8 11:29:31 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 8 06:45:59 2009. No, he is far to the left of both Lenin and Stalin.WOW |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 8 11:39:02 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 12:13:52 2009. What's the name of the judicial decision that ordered bus depots in Harlem closed? Who said there was one to begin with? So I think that you are ultimately just missing the big picture about what these resident want because you are more interested in seeing some vast left-wing conspiracy at work. I'm not Hillary Clinton, I do not subscribe to organized conspiracies. What I do recognize (something you conveniently ignored) is that a single judge, with the flimsiest of grounds can grant the "residents" everything they want, immediately. It's hypocritical of people who vote for the politicians who are pre-disposed to ruling against the LIRR to complain about court action. Everything else you said is irrelevant to this debate. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 8 11:39:49 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 12:13:52 2009. What's the name of the judicial decision that ordered bus depots in Harlem closed? Who said there was one to begin with? So I think that you are ultimately just missing the big picture about what these resident want because you are more interested in seeing some vast left-wing conspiracy at work. I'm not Hillary Clinton, I do not subscribe to organized conspiracies. What I do recognize (something you conveniently ignored) is that a single judge, with the flimsiest of grounds can grant the "residents" everything they want, immediately. It's hypocritical of people who vote for the politicians who appoint the judges who are pre-disposed to ruling against the LIRR to complain about court action. Everything else you said is irrelevant to this debate. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 8 12:56:12 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 8 11:39:49 2009. Who said there was one to begin with? Um, you did, in the thread he replied to. Take Pride,
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Posted by straphanger9 on Wed Jul 8 13:10:07 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 8 08:42:44 2009. Yup. Double smok-a crapuccino. Deep fried snobbery:
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Posted by straphanger9 on Wed Jul 8 13:10:25 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jul 8 10:21:05 2009. LOL that's good. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 8 14:30:21 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jul 8 11:29:31 2009. I gave up on him, he so irrational, he's not even fun to debate with. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 8 14:31:54 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 8 00:40:59 2009. Middle of the road people are still either left or right. It's rare to find someone exactly on the line in the middle. I vote for many democrats for various offices, and many of my views of things are on the left...but I do sway just over to the right in general. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jul 8 15:15:26 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 8 11:39:02 2009. Who said there was one to begin with?Why even bring up the specter then, if there is no such judicial decision that motivates your fear? I'm not Hillary Clinton That's too bad; it would be more fun to debate her! I do not subscribe to organized conspiracies. But you believe in disorganized conspiracies? What I do recognize (something you conveniently ignored) is that a single judge, with the flimsiest of grounds can grant the "residents" everything they want, immediately. You have already stated that there is no judicial decision on which to grant the residents what they want. Again, what are these "flimsiest of grounds"? There either is, or there is not, judicial decision on point. I have shown that there is not, you concede that there is not, but you seem to reserve some other "flimsy" grounds on which judicial decision could be based. It's hypocritical of people who vote for the politicians who are pre-disposed to ruling against the LIRR to complain about court action. And here is you error: politicians don't "rule" - that's for judges. You are confusing, as I said earlier, politics with law. Perhaps this is revealing about your own conception of what judges should do (i.e., enact your favored policy positions into law). You merely repeat the same error in every post. The only one complaining about the specter of court action - without citing any basis for this irrational fear - is YOU. My posts against you have noted that your fear is not well founded, or even rational. If LIRR officials decide to shut down the yard, that is their right. It is not the result of anything judicially mandated; it is a political decision. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jul 8 15:25:28 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 8 11:39:49 2009. I see that in this second version of the post that I just responded to, you caught yourself - this time it's not politicians that rule in cases, but the judges that they appoint...Judges need grounds on which to decide to cases. Other judges supervise them (first appeal is as of right). I have been in and around litigation for several years now, and I can confidently say that you don't just walk into court, complain about a nuisance that's been there for about a century and a half that you just moved next to, don't even address all of the cases against your position, and the judge grants your injunction against the subsidiary of a public authority so that they can relocate operations of the largest commuter railroad in the country, patting you on the ass on the way out. When you know more about property and tort law, then I'll consider your opinion more informative than it presently is. |
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