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The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 09:15:52 2011

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Twenty-five years ago today on Sunday, June 8, 1986, the Electric Railroaders' Association operated a chartered fantrip train with four green-painted R-10 cars in use on various IND-BMT Division routes. The cars used in that consist were #3136-2966-3101-3013, and the starting and ending point of the fantrip was 59th Street-Columbus Circle, using the abandoned middle platform, and with the lunch stop at Coney Island.

The routes covered were the lines of 6th Avenue-Manhattan, Houston Street, Rutgers Tubes, Smith Street, Culver, West End, 4th Avenue-Brooklyn, Montague Street, Nassau-Centre Streets, Broadway-Brooklyn, Myrtle Avenue, and Chrystie Street Cut (current "M" track connection). After the end of the trip around the 5:00pm hour (if I recall correctly), the train ran lite back to 207th Street Yard.

-William A. Padron
["Smith-9th St."]


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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 8 09:19:42 2011, in response to The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 09:15:52 2011.

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Sadly, the green R-10s didn't last long. They found out that a fresh coat of paint did not make up for a good deal of maintenance neglect and obsolescence.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 09:27:02 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 8 09:19:42 2011.

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Yeah, and the last two W.H. R-10's to come out of the 207th Street Shop in February 1986 with the new green-painted scheme, #3037 and #3169, each lasted only three of the planned five years extending its service life. Oh, before anyone asks, sorry, no speed run up Central Park West on this fantrip.

-William A. Padron
["Sixth Av.-34th St."]



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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jun 8 10:46:49 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 09:27:02 2011.

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Oh, before anyone asks, sorry, no speed run up Central Park West on this fantrip.



Guess that will pre-empt SteveB-8 Ave Exp's participation in this thread. :)


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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 8 11:27:49 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 8 09:19:42 2011.

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About 3.5 years, until all the R68A's were on the road. I vividly recall seeing the last one at 34th/Penn on the Friday before Labor Day, 1989. I think when the C line was expanded to an all day operation, they could not handle it. In the early days of the "round" C, they even used R10's on weekends.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 11:46:05 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 8 11:27:49 2011.

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>>In the early days of the "round" C, they even used R10's on weekends.<<

On the weekends for just two straight months (December 1988-February 1989), operating between 145th Street (lower level) and Chambers Street-WTC. One story I heard had it that they were taken off the weekend schedule was that one citizen complained to MTA NYC Transit about the loud rumble (from the heavy trucks and flatwheels most likely) from the R-10's, stating it shook off the dishes to the floor from her Central Park West apartment.

Then, when the R-38's were sidelined for one summer weekend in 1989 (as I recall), only one green R-10 "C" train was assigned back and I had seen it on a Sunday run. The gradual retirements of the green R-10's started around March 1989, with the first one of them to be removed from service was car #3193.

-William A. Padron
["(C) 8 Avenue Local"]


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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 8 12:16:48 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 11:46:05 2011.

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I rode them on that first Sunday in December, very strange to be on them anywhere outside the Rockaway Line on a weekend.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jun 8 13:26:14 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jun 8 10:46:49 2011.

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Hey - I resemble that remark!:)

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jun 8 13:27:48 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 11:46:05 2011.

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I can only imagine what an R-10 A thundering up CPW would have done to her dishes!:)

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 8 13:34:58 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jun 8 13:27:48 2011.

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They weren't as bad in the early 70's as they were in the late 80's. Those are still the loudest cars I've ever had the displeasure of riding (though the pre-GOH R38's came close). I know the green R10's look great, but they were basically the same crap with a coat of pain on them. Flat wheels were a constant problem. I felt bad for the conductors assigned to them.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 8 14:03:35 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 8 13:34:58 2011.

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The green R-10s did get a sort of mini GOH. I recall seeing updated ME-42 brake valves removed from either scrapped R-16s or R-17 through 22s on the 10s (there IS a slight difference between the ME-42s on the 10s though 15s and later models). That was the most visible upgrade I saw and I'm sure there were others that I wasn't aware of. A friend of mine who is a TSS told me that the R-10s were the oldest equipment he operated as a M/M and that when he operated them it felt like he was operating a good substantial piece of equipment. Although I did like the R-10s, I feel it was unfortunate that the newer R-16s had to be scrapped ahead of the older R-10s. Although the 16s were a rather trouble plagued fleet, I think that a good GOH, even a mini one like the R-10s got, might have improved their performance and enabled them to last a little longer.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 8 14:47:27 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by randyo on Wed Jun 8 14:03:35 2011.

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At least the R16's had electric doors, operable from the inside. But they were horribly abused towards the end, a minor GOH would not have been possible. There were also not enough of them in 1984, when the decision was made. The GE units were already scrapped, and only about 80 or so WH units were on the roster (infesting the J line).

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by WayneJay on Wed Jun 8 15:04:58 2011, in response to The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 09:15:52 2011.

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To me the green R-10s were sad. They looked good in fresh paint, but they were no longer the beasts that flat terrorized the 8 Ave Express runs. I remember them being loud as heck at speed. Also, i can recall the first time I heard a R-10 consist pass by me at speed. We were on a class trip to the Hayden Planetarium. On our return, as we were waitng for a n/b AA train at 81st St station, an A train of R-10s came barreling through and was incredibly loud. Those may have been the bad 'ol days of the 1970s deferred maintenance era, but those were the good 'ol days.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 8 15:16:31 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by WayneJay on Wed Jun 8 15:04:58 2011.

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Decibel wise, nothing beat an R10 in the Cranberry St. tunnel, in the middle of summer with the storm doors forced open and the windows all down. It was actually painful.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by monorail on Wed Jun 8 16:12:26 2011, in response to The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 09:15:52 2011.

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got photos?

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 8 18:55:30 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by WayneJay on Wed Jun 8 15:04:58 2011.

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If you were on the lower level plat on CPW, and an "A" train of Tens thundered by overhead on their way uptown, it sounded like the world was ending!

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jun 8 19:53:34 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by monorail on Wed Jun 8 16:12:26 2011.

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got photos?


Line: BMT Nassau St./Jamaica Line...Location: Crescen Street...Route: Fan Trip...Car: R-10 (American Car & Foundry, 1948) 3216... Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 10/29/1989...from nycsubway.org




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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Wed Jun 8 20:01:01 2011, in response to The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 09:15:52 2011.

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Greetings everyone...You are forgetting that the Green R-10s had "Composition Brake Shoes" along with a modified "J-14" relay when they recieved their mini overhaul,which caused a great deal of flat wheels.The "Grunge" GE R-10s retained their "Steel" brake shoes and operated the way they should have.The Green R-10s also had new air compressors installed as well,and these were very similar to the R-68's air compressors(which leaked like hell).Nevertheless,the Green R-10s were a big step forward toward a Graffiti Free fleet.It is truly a shame that a train of these were not saved...

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Wed Jun 8 20:01:06 2011, in response to The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 09:15:52 2011.

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Greetings everyone...You are forgetting that the Green R-10s had "Composition Brake Shoes" along with a modified "J-14" relay when they recieved their mini overhaul,which caused a great deal of flat wheels.The "Grunge" GE R-10s retained their "Steel" brake shoes and operated the way they should have.The Green R-10s also had new air compressors installed as well,and these were very similar to the R-68's air compressors(which leaked like hell).Nevertheless,the Green R-10s were a big step forward toward a Graffiti Free fleet.It is truly a shame that a train of these were not saved...

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Wed Jun 8 20:01:06 2011, in response to The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 09:15:52 2011.

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Greetings everyone...You are forgetting that the Green R-10s had "Composition Brake Shoes" along with a modified "J-14" relay when they recieved their mini overhaul,which caused a great deal of flat wheels.The "Grunge" GE R-10s retained their "Steel" brake shoes and operated the way they should have.The Green R-10s also had new air compressors installed as well,and these were very similar to the R-68's air compressors(which leaked like hell).Nevertheless,the Green R-10s were a big step forward toward a Graffiti Free fleet.It is truly a shame that a train of these were not saved...

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Wed Jun 8 20:01:06 2011, in response to The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 09:15:52 2011.

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Greetings everyone...You are forgetting that the Green R-10s had "Composition Brake Shoes" along with a modified "J-14" relay when they recieved their mini overhaul,which caused a great deal of flat wheels.The "Grunge" GE R-10s retained their "Steel" brake shoes and operated the way they should have.The Green R-10s also had new air compressors installed as well,and these were very similar to the R-68's air compressors(which leaked like hell).Nevertheless,the Green R-10s were a big step forward toward a Graffiti Free fleet.It is truly a shame that a train of these were not saved...

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Wed Jun 8 20:01:07 2011, in response to The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 09:15:52 2011.

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Greetings everyone...You are forgetting that the Green R-10s had "Composition Brake Shoes" along with a modified "J-14" relay when they recieved their mini overhaul,which caused a great deal of flat wheels.The "Grunge" GE R-10s retained their "Steel" brake shoes and operated the way they should have.The Green R-10s also had new air compressors installed as well,and these were very similar to the R-68's air compressors(which leaked like hell).Nevertheless,the Green R-10s were a big step forward toward a Graffiti Free fleet.It is truly a shame that a train of these were not saved...

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Wed Jun 8 20:01:08 2011, in response to The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 09:15:52 2011.

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Greetings everyone...You are forgetting that the Green R-10s had "Composition Brake Shoes" along with a modified "J-14" relay when they recieved their mini overhaul,which caused a great deal of flat wheels.The "Grunge" GE R-10s retained their "Steel" brake shoes and operated the way they should have.The Green R-10s also had new air compressors installed as well,and these were very similar to the R-68's air compressors(which leaked like hell).Nevertheless,the Green R-10s were a big step forward toward a Graffiti Free fleet.It is truly a shame that a train of these were not saved...

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jun 8 20:49:37 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Wed Jun 8 20:01:01 2011.

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6 Multiple posts !

A new SubChat record. :-)

Bill Newkirk

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Jun 9 08:14:29 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jun 8 19:53:34 2011.

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No...that's from the "Farewell" fantrip of Sunday, October 29, 1989. Here is a photo from that 1986 fantrip, as previously posted here on Subchat...

A Shot From The Past, posted January 9, 2007.

-William A. Padron
["Metropolitan Avenue"]


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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jun 9 13:24:22 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 8 14:47:27 2011.

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IIRC some were also on the Moe. I rode on an R-16 Moe in October of 1986, albeit for only two stops in Manhattan. And it didn't break down.:)

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jun 9 13:26:59 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by WayneJay on Wed Jun 8 15:04:58 2011.

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I got my first earful in May of 1967 at 81st St. The R-10s wore the racing stripe scheme in those days, and when they ripped past, all you saw was a blaze of teal and white. Long live the immortal Thunderbirds!

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jun 9 13:28:05 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Thu Jun 9 08:14:29 2011.

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At least they're signed correctly.:)

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Jun 9 18:15:20 2011, in response to The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 09:15:52 2011.

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Greetings All-My apologies for the multiple posts-I didnt realize that was happening...And now back to our scheduled programming...

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Jul 12 14:27:13 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jun 9 13:28:05 2011.

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And another photo...this time with me looking out from the front storm door window. Front route roll sign box provided from someone's collection.

R-10 #3136, Church Avenue-IND Smith Street/Culver/Crosstown Line, 6/8/1986.

-William A. Padron
["B'klyn-Church Av."]


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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 12 14:40:16 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 8 14:47:27 2011.

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You aint kidding..I remember well when these cars came back to the J..I didnt like them much when they ran there before..nor on the Q.B lines..

Face it..anywhere they went..was trouble.

One thing though..the TA did rebuild one car back in the 80's updating it to modern standards[so to speak]..a TOTAL REBUILD..even the car ends were rebuilt for large rollsigns..R44 interior..

What happened to that programe..and why didnt they continue it with the 27/30's..
was it a weight issue?

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Jul 12 15:59:54 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 8 15:16:31 2011.

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Yes, the noise made it seem like it was going faster than it actually was...

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 12 18:07:13 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Jul 12 14:27:13 2011.

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Heh very cool.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 12 19:04:01 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 8 14:47:27 2011.

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It makes one wonder how the R-16s would have fared if they had spent their entire careers on the Three Stooges Division.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 12 19:23:11 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Jul 12 15:59:54 2011.

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At 81st St. and CPW n/b, it all came together. Back in the day, an R-10 Abbott was at full speed as it bore down on that station. In addition to a deafening roar, you saw a blur of teal and white. You had to count the cars quickly.:)

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 12 22:16:50 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 11:46:05 2011.

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Trust me. It wasn't just one person who complained about the "earthquakes" caused by the R-10s. And it was actually pretty bad.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Jul 13 00:33:50 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 09:27:02 2011.

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I remember both the grand entrances and the demises. I loved hearing entire trains of brand new motor brushes entering service whizzing away during sensitive rolling tests and some cars with 2CYs and others with NYABs. Nice to have all the ceiling fans and doors cut in. Some with MGs and others with Toshibas. I was one of the lucky few to remain aboard to 207 Street Yard. However for those who will remember the Southbound run Roosevelt to QP, as well as the round trip from Myrtle-Marcy more than made up for the CPW loss. 3216 sat in CIY only the next weekend as its NYAB compressor was removed. RIP Billy Bromberger, captain of that ship.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 03:16:59 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 12 19:04:01 2011.

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you might as well say they did.

They only spent a few years on the EE/GG/RR..from 69 till 76..then back to the East untill they were retired.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Jul 14 00:21:35 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by randyo on Wed Jun 8 14:03:35 2011.

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The only differences I noticed were the R17s and R22 had aluminum valve bodies while older ones were cast iron. What are the "updates" you refer to?

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Jeff H. on Thu Jul 14 02:52:28 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Jul 14 00:21:35 2011.

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According to the WABCO documentation contracts R10-R16 were
originally supplied with ME42 valves and R17, 21 and 22 with ME42A.
Are there any functional or internal differences, other than
perhaps the use of aluminum instead of cast iron?

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 14 07:44:32 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 12 14:40:16 2011.

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The R-16s were on the heavy side. Not as heavy as the BMT standards, but heavier than the R-10s by a good four tons or so per car.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Jul 15 09:51:27 2011, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Jeff H. on Thu Jul 14 02:52:28 2011.

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I'm forgetting my brake valves now. I am remembering the Square redbird valves as 42A and the ME43s were on R42-R68A, NYAB retrofits with two variations of the ME42s on R10-R22. As far as installations go, the aluminum ones worked on the R16. We have both in stock if you'd like to try them out.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Sep 9 10:05:36 2013, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 12 19:23:11 2011.

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That era may also have been before welded rail. Those rail joints were a contributor to the noise level.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Handbrake on Sat Jun 11 14:20:46 2016, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 8 18:55:30 2011.

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A2/A4 Tracks are on the upper level of CPW

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Renee gil on Sat Jun 11 14:37:59 2016, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Handbrake on Sat Jun 11 14:20:46 2016.

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I think he knows that.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 11 15:53:32 2016, in response to The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 8 09:15:52 2011.

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Great trip! I remember it well. Went to Nathan's on the meal break.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 11 16:41:40 2016, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Renee gil on Sat Jun 11 14:37:59 2016.

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Watching that video clip from 5-30-13, I noticed that the n/b tracks are still rising as they approach 72nd St. 72nd itself is level, but because much of the train is still on that upslope as it enters the station, it's still gathering speed. About halfway through 72nd, the entire train is on level track and by the time the lead motor has reached the northern end of the platform, it's at full speed. That's exactly how I remember all those R-10 Abbott joyrides back in the day. Pure excitement. Ripping past 81st, you had the feeling that nothing could stop that train.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 11 16:43:01 2016, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 11 15:53:32 2016.

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Speaking of Nathan's, that establishment turns 100 this year.

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Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986.

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Jun 11 19:26:10 2016, in response to Re: The 1st Green R-10 Fantrip: June 8, 1986., posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 11 15:53:32 2016.

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Great trip! I remember it well. Went to Nathan's on the meal break.

Elkeeper: I was on that trip as well. The consist was 2966-3013-3101-3136, though necessarily in that order. The train ran from 59th Street-8th Avenue via 6th Avenue and Culver to Coney Island, running on the express track all the way from Bergen Street to Avenue X. Northbound we ran from Coney to Metropolitan Avenue on the Myrtle Avenue Line via West End and Nassau Street, then from there to 34th Street-6th Avenue. It was a great trip. Thank you for asking about me. I'm alive and well and working on a few projects.

Larry, RedbirdR33


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