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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 13:08:49 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Wed May 14 20:27:08 2014. Syrian and Jordanian policies have no significance to Israel's choice of policies re: immigration and Palestinian relations.They most certainly do, if there wasn't a concerted effort to perpetuate the Palestinian refugee problem for generations without end, the need for a "Palestinian Right of Return" would not be a artificial sticking point in negotiations. Also, the Palestinians lost the wars, they don't just get to come back to Haifa, Jaffa, and Katamon now because they are upset they didn't win. Life has risks, they gambled and lost. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 13:09:36 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Wed May 14 20:29:49 2014. You don't understand how the IDF works. Neither Palestinian civilians nor Israeli soldiers are put at risk willy-nilly. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 13:11:51 2014, in response to Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Wed May 14 20:42:14 2014. Check post 1183435."Yes, my proposed policies risk changing Israel from a nation in which a majority of the population believes a magic man told them not to eat pork and perform weird rituals to a nation in which a majority of the population believes a magic man told them not to eat pork and perform weird rituals that are slightly different. Which is totally the same thing as Israel being destroyed." You say that last sentence sarcastically, but it shouldn't be. You would destroy Israel. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 13:12:24 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by AlM on Wed May 14 20:51:17 2014. Excellent questions! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu May 15 13:12:38 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 13:09:36 2014. FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME. WHY DO YOU GIVE THE DAY OF DAY, AND SHOW MORE RESPECT TOWARD THIS ANTI-SEMITE THAN ME? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu May 15 13:13:33 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 13:12:24 2014. While ignoring a fellow Jew. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 15 13:21:36 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 11:59:53 2014. Not at all. They seem to elude you though...again...because....you seriously think I would seriously claim to own SubChat? I don't understand how after so many years of being on this website, you don't know me better. Did you notice how no one else batted an eyelash at that statement? Shouldn't/doesn't that tell you something? What in the world is your problem? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 15 13:26:53 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 12:49:11 2014. That's correct. It is like Hotel California. You can check out any time you'd like but you can never leave.+1 |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 13:37:51 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 12:30:17 2014. The facts still aren't on your side.So I'm not allowed to point out something is bad simply because an even worse example of it exists? It's hard to keep track of all the imaginary debate rules you made up. You aren't allowed to point out falsehoods and state them as fact. Israel isn't an apartheid state. End of discussion. I'm pretty sure I was being critical of the fact that they annexed part of the West Bank and divided communities when they built it, which, last time I checked, are some aspects of how the project was undertaken. Israel has not annexed any part of the West Bank aside from East Jerusalem. It did divide communities and I (and many others) are critical of that, while not being critical of the fact that Israel built a fence to prevent Palestinian terrorists from entering Israel to detonate bombs on board buses and in cafes. THAT is what the fence was built for and those sorts of attacks now virtually never occur since the fence's construction. Ah. Israel's occupation is legitimate because Palestine is not a country and has no government of its own, but it doesn't need to provide services and citizenship because Palestine is its own country and Hamas is its legitimate government. Is Puerto Rico an independent country? What about Guam? The PA has jurisdiction over parts of the West Bank, and in theory, is supposed to have jurisdiction over Gaza, except they got run out of town by Hamas. The Palestinians can have a governmental organization that is tasked with carrying out the functions that a national government would carry out without being an independent state. I understand what's going on better than you do, since you seem to be insisting that Israel is the purist of nations that just wants to be left alone and is being attacked by mean bully Palestine for absolutely no reason. Israel has been wanting to be left alone since the UN passed resolution 181 on November 29, 1947. And you might want to take a look at the number of forces on each side in the 1947 and 1967 wars. Israel was not a "big bully." Israelis for not entering serious peace negotiations in years. Where were you in 2009, or is that also ancient history as far as you are concerned? Netanyahu froze building in the West Bank (but not East Jerusalemm) for 10 months, under pressure from Obama to get Abbas back to the negotiating table. Abbas then dragged his feet for 9 months and by the time he came to the table, nothing got done, because the freeze didn't include East Jerusalem, which both sides acknowledge behind closed doors will NOT be the capital of a future Palestinian state. Negotiations require sacrifice on both sides. It was a big deal for Netanyahu to freeze settlement expansion. He took a big political risk in doing so. Abbas has to decide, does he want a complete freeze (which is so unpalatable politically to his Israeli counterpart it can never happen) or does he want a Palestinian state? Same goes for this past round of talks, where Abbas wanted a whole ton of concessions from Israel just to start talking, and wouldn't talk unless he got them all. Obama also set the bar ridiculously high for Abbas, because it would look bad for Abbas if Obama was "more Palestinian" than the Palestinian president himself, and that made quite a mess of things. When all is said and done, Obama and Kerry are going to go down as having been a significant hindrance to the peace process because like you, they don't understand all the intricacies to the situation and don't know how to interact with the players themselves. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 15 13:44:51 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu May 15 13:12:38 2014. respect is earned. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 13:46:31 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 12:46:12 2014. "The Arabs." So now you're going with racism? An entire race is inherently dedicated to destroying Israel by virtue of ancestry alone?/i>Would you prefer I say the Arab nations surrounding Israel? Because that is what they were. And also some others that don't share a border with Israel, such as Iraq. But I might concede that single point to you. No one has. If you think otherwise, then link. I can't dig up links anymore because you just keep making post after post after post and don't listen to any of the rest of us. I've talked to quite a few Russian Jews, some of whom have actually stayed in Russia. I've also talked to Jews who immigrated from Europe to America. I want you to talk to people who chose to emigrate to Israel and not somewhere else when they had the choice of doing so. Until then, no discussion. OK, when you're trying to justify the authenticity of the Bible, you're really grasping at straws. No I'm not. You're being insulting however, yet again. Frankly, you'd be far more justified in claiming that America is the homeland of its indigenous people and all the non-indigenous people need to be kicked out (or confined to a small impoverished territory as part of a "two state solution") in order to preserve its true character. I might pay more attention to people who insist that the Israelis need to leave Israel if American liberals acknowledge the history of their own country vis a vis similar issues. No, but Israel is telling them that sure, they'll be considered for immigration status but first they need to give full citizenship to some guy who isn't being persecuted at all simply because he's Jewish. Yawn, you still don't get it... All people have done is repeatedly declare that Jews are inherently superior and letting too many infidels into Israel is tantamount to destroying it. That is not what is being said, sorry. It's all but impossible to determine who, if anyone, is actually descended from that ancient tribe and it wouldn't matter anyway— that was so long ago that they're not genetic relatives of anybody currently alive today. There is plenty of DNA proof that suggests that many Jews have a common ancestor. Whether that person is in fact Jewish or not is unknown, but the fact that so many years later, the claim of a single ancestor for all the Kohanim (I am one myself) holds merit and gives a great deal of credence to the notion of Jews having a small set of common ancestors. Sure, Jews have had "a presence" in Israel; they've had a presence nearly everywhere for hundreds of years. Why, then, should that territory be declared the Homeland that all Jews have a right to? Your lack of knowledge of history is appalling. The Jews wouldn't be "nearly everywhere" if they weren't expelled and dispersed by the Babylonians thousands of years ago and then again by the Romans. Now the Palestinians and people such as yourself are trying to push out the Jews. New age, different story... |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 13:49:01 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu May 15 12:54:00 2014. Because Israel can still become an apartheid state should things fall a certain way. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 13:49:36 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu May 15 13:12:38 2014. He's far more dangerous to Israel and the Jewish people than you are at the moment. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu May 15 13:55:43 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 13:49:36 2014. I guess I should take that as a compliment? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu May 15 13:57:17 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 13:49:01 2014. If arabs out number the Jews, yes. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 14:00:37 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu May 15 13:57:17 2014. Correct. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu May 15 14:16:13 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 14:00:37 2014. Then deport them. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 15 14:24:59 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 13:49:36 2014. Aside for "at the moment", you got that right. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 14:52:06 2014, in response to Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 15 14:24:59 2014. At the moment referred to when Nilet goes back into his hole. We'll see who comes along after that... |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu May 15 15:10:04 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu May 15 12:54:00 2014. Only a self hating Jew would not be offended by John Kerry. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu May 15 15:17:58 2014, in response to Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 14:52:06 2014. Here. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 15 16:33:08 2014, in response to Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu May 15 15:17:58 2014. I wish FB had a "Dislike" button. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu May 15 17:50:28 2014, in response to Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 15 16:33:08 2014. What do you disagree about it? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 15 20:09:26 2014, in response to Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu May 15 17:50:28 2014. Terrorism is bad. M'kay? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 21:21:35 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 15 13:21:36 2014. Not at all. They seem to elude you though...again...because....you seriously think I would seriously claim to own SubChat?Knowing you, yes. It'd hardly be the craziest thing you did, and you do have a track record that suggests you're a very concrete thinker, so it's a fair bet that you're using literal language. Did you notice how no one else batted an eyelash at that statement? Shouldn't/doesn't that tell you something? Yeah, they're sick of putting up with your bullshit. I'm the only one with a case of SIWOTI Syndrome severe enough to bother calling you on it. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 15 23:33:07 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu May 8 18:27:10 2014. It's SMAZZA.Why attack me? Because I have defeated you in other threads? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu May 15 23:59:49 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 15 23:33:07 2014. Whatever. Why the obsession over this liberal? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 16 00:55:48 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu May 15 23:59:49 2014. I disagree with SMAZZA on everything.But I do hope he's just taking a planned hiatus and all is well. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri May 16 03:37:52 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 16 00:55:48 2014. Me too. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri May 16 03:41:57 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 16 00:55:48 2014. Me too. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 16 12:10:18 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 21:21:35 2014. Both of your responses are completely off base. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun May 18 14:58:54 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Wed May 14 18:09:04 2014. Michael Oren wrote this gem just for you |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun May 18 15:06:41 2014, in response to Hey Nilet: Israel isn't, and will never be, an apartheid state WAS Re: Palestinian univ students’..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun May 18 14:58:54 2014. Yet you still refuse to condem kerry. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 18 17:13:18 2014, in response to Hey Nilet: Israel isn't, and will never be, an apartheid state WAS Re: Palestinian univ students’..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun May 18 14:58:54 2014. Right, an Israeli ambassador to the US is totally the most unbiased person who could possibly comment on the matter.Although actually, despite his efforts, a little bit of honesty starts creeping in around the edges of his article. He claims that using the word "apartheid" is part of a massive conspiracy to destroy Israel through use of language, which is thoroughly bullshit. But then, he admits to segregation and then tries to handwave it by saying "terrorism" as if this somehow made it not exist. He claims it's the Palestinians' choice to be segregated which sounds quite a bit like victim blaming. He tries to claim that segregation is minimised by saying Palestinians can study at an Israeli university in "a settlement," somehow managing to gloss over the fact that he is talking about an illegal Israeli encroachment onto Palestinian territory which, while not only a bad thing by itself, doesn't help all that much with the claim that Israel doesn't have apartheid— "you're not allowed to leave the dedicated Palestinian Land, but we'll let you study at the university we built on the part of that land we took over." Then he declares that Palestinians are not subject to the jurisdiction of Israeli courts— except when Israel decides to lock up Palestinians for violating laws that Israel passed but which Israelis don't have to obey, in which case said Palestinians don't get a trial at all except for a kangaroo court that Israelis are not subject to. You know for someone complaining that it's unfair to call Israeli policy "apartheid," he all but admits that it is. I think I'm going to have to take the word of a Jewish American who wrote a thesis on the subject, who advised me of several important points: (1) Israel continually pleads for peace while annexing Palestinian lands and encroaching on their territory bit by bit. (I believe the exact phrase was "Israel and Palestine sit down to discuss how to divide the pie while Israel is currently eating the pie.") (2) The wall in the West Bank sliced up communities, creating tremendous hardship for a lot of people, while also effectively annexing part of the West Bank for Israel. (3) Between the wall, blockades, occupation, and travel restrictions, Israel practices a form of apartheid— although the Palestinian territories are under various degrees of Israeli control, their inhabitants are not considered full Israeli citizens. and most importantly: (4) Trying to have a reasonable debate with an Israeli nutter is a futile endeavour. I have been heeding this advice over the last few days. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 18 18:02:03 2014, in response to Re: Hey WMATA: Israel is an apartheid state WAS Re: Palestinian univ students’..., posted by Nilet on Sun May 18 17:13:18 2014. Trying to have a reasonable debate with an Israeli nutterNo seriously, what's your Stormfront handle? Funny that you don't believe all that "from the river to the sea" stuff when it comes from only one sidethe "Palestinians". Israel is the only state in that area that doesn't practice apartheid. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 18 18:06:43 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 18 18:02:03 2014. No seriously, what's your Stormfront handle?What, Jews are allowed on Stormfront, now? Did the nazis forget to register their domain one year and someone else grabbed it? Funny that you don't believe all that "from the river to the sea" stuff when it comes from only one side—the "Palestinians". The fuck you talking about? Israel is the only state in that area that doesn't practice apartheid. WMATA just confirmed that it did, dumbass. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun May 18 18:08:31 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sun May 18 18:06:43 2014. No, you belong on stormfront. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 18 18:11:00 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun May 18 18:08:31 2014. Funny, I was going to say the same thing about you. Sure, they might not like the whole Judaism thing, but as far as I'm concerned, all supremacists are the same anyway; I sure can't see any difference. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun May 18 18:14:14 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sun May 18 18:11:00 2014. Why wouldn't You be part of stormfront? I'm Jewish, so I wouldn't be welcome. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 18 18:15:18 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun May 18 18:14:14 2014. Why wouldn't You be part of stormfront?You're capitalising my pronouns? Does that mean I'm a god? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun May 18 18:18:17 2014, in response to Re: Hey WMATA: Israel is an apartheid state WAS Re: Palestinian univ students’..., posted by Nilet on Sun May 18 17:13:18 2014. I'm not Israeli. Why take your friend's word over mine? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 18 18:23:19 2014, in response to Re: Hey WMATA: Israel is an apartheid state WAS Re: Palestinian univ students’..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun May 18 18:18:17 2014. I'm not Israeli.You're not? Which WMATA was? Why take your friend's word over mine? Well let's see. On the one hand, we have someone I've known for a very long time, who has demonstrated a consistent degree of intelligence, made insightful comments on a wide variety of topics, and just happens to be an expert in this particular area. On the other hand, we have some guy on the internet who can barely formulate a coherent point. Yeah, I clearly don't have any reason to take the former over the latter. |
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Posted by Gamera on Sun May 18 18:29:53 2014, in response to Re: Hey WMATA: Israel is an apartheid state WAS Re: Palestinian univ students’..., posted by Nilet on Sun May 18 18:23:19 2014. On the other hand, we have some guy on the internet who can barely formulate a coherent point.WMATA has made MULTIPLE coherent and VALID points in response to your anti-Israeli rhetoric |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun May 18 18:36:35 2014, in response to Re: Hey WMATA: Israel is an apartheid state WAS Re: Palestinian univ students’..., posted by Nilet on Sun May 18 18:23:19 2014. Fuck the Palesites. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun May 18 18:39:31 2014, in response to Re: Hey WMATA: Nilet is in an altered state WAS Re: Palestinian univ students’..., posted by RockParkMan on Sun May 18 18:36:35 2014. Who are you and what did you do with RockParkMan? :)Seriously I think this is the first time I have seen you call out Nilet |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 18 18:49:45 2014, in response to Re: Hey WMATA: Israel is an apartheid state WAS Re: Palestinian univ students’..., posted by Gamera on Sun May 18 18:29:53 2014. ...in response to your anti-Israeli rhetoricConsidering that I have never actually posted any anti-Israeli rhetoric, any "response" thereto would be invalid on its face. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 18 18:51:09 2014, in response to Re: Hey WMATA: Nilet is in an altered state WAS Re: Palestinian univ students’..., posted by mtk52983 on Sun May 18 18:39:31 2014. Um, you do realise that over on the left, it's considered normal and expected to disagree on a lot? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 18 18:56:57 2014, in response to Re: Hey WMATA: Nilet is in an altered state WAS Re: Palestinian univ students’..., posted by RockParkMan on Sun May 18 18:36:35 2014. Who are the Palesites, and what do they have to do with either Israel or Palestine? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 18 19:01:03 2014, in response to Re: Hey WMATA: Nilet is in a different country WAS Re: Palestinian univ students’..., posted by Nilet on Sun May 18 18:51:09 2014. Must be nice to be a rightie where everyone marches in lockstep. ;) |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun May 18 19:05:11 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sun May 18 18:15:18 2014. Again, why wouldnt you belong to stormfront? Easy question. |
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