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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 13:37:51 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 12:30:17 2014. The facts still aren't on your side.So I'm not allowed to point out something is bad simply because an even worse example of it exists? It's hard to keep track of all the imaginary debate rules you made up. You aren't allowed to point out falsehoods and state them as fact. Israel isn't an apartheid state. End of discussion. I'm pretty sure I was being critical of the fact that they annexed part of the West Bank and divided communities when they built it, which, last time I checked, are some aspects of how the project was undertaken. Israel has not annexed any part of the West Bank aside from East Jerusalem. It did divide communities and I (and many others) are critical of that, while not being critical of the fact that Israel built a fence to prevent Palestinian terrorists from entering Israel to detonate bombs on board buses and in cafes. THAT is what the fence was built for and those sorts of attacks now virtually never occur since the fence's construction. Ah. Israel's occupation is legitimate because Palestine is not a country and has no government of its own, but it doesn't need to provide services and citizenship because Palestine is its own country and Hamas is its legitimate government. Is Puerto Rico an independent country? What about Guam? The PA has jurisdiction over parts of the West Bank, and in theory, is supposed to have jurisdiction over Gaza, except they got run out of town by Hamas. The Palestinians can have a governmental organization that is tasked with carrying out the functions that a national government would carry out without being an independent state. I understand what's going on better than you do, since you seem to be insisting that Israel is the purist of nations that just wants to be left alone and is being attacked by mean bully Palestine for absolutely no reason. Israel has been wanting to be left alone since the UN passed resolution 181 on November 29, 1947. And you might want to take a look at the number of forces on each side in the 1947 and 1967 wars. Israel was not a "big bully." Israelis for not entering serious peace negotiations in years. Where were you in 2009, or is that also ancient history as far as you are concerned? Netanyahu froze building in the West Bank (but not East Jerusalemm) for 10 months, under pressure from Obama to get Abbas back to the negotiating table. Abbas then dragged his feet for 9 months and by the time he came to the table, nothing got done, because the freeze didn't include East Jerusalem, which both sides acknowledge behind closed doors will NOT be the capital of a future Palestinian state. Negotiations require sacrifice on both sides. It was a big deal for Netanyahu to freeze settlement expansion. He took a big political risk in doing so. Abbas has to decide, does he want a complete freeze (which is so unpalatable politically to his Israeli counterpart it can never happen) or does he want a Palestinian state? Same goes for this past round of talks, where Abbas wanted a whole ton of concessions from Israel just to start talking, and wouldn't talk unless he got them all. Obama also set the bar ridiculously high for Abbas, because it would look bad for Abbas if Obama was "more Palestinian" than the Palestinian president himself, and that made quite a mess of things. When all is said and done, Obama and Kerry are going to go down as having been a significant hindrance to the peace process because like you, they don't understand all the intricacies to the situation and don't know how to interact with the players themselves. |
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