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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 12:49:11 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Wed May 14 20:00:35 2014. So a thoroughly observant Jew has to jump through hoops to prove he's Jewish because he converted recently, while someone who is manifestly not Jewish and proudly proclaims that he isn't is considered a Jew anyway because he used to be?That's correct. It is like Hotel California. You can check out any time you'd like but you can never leave. The problem is that I said I wasn't observing Passover and a bunch of nutters threw a fit and declared it was "antisemitic" to not observe Jewish religious law or to perform Jewish celebrations in a manner they deem "incorrect." I never called you an anti-Semite, I just called you an asshole and I still believe you are one. And you still don't understand why. No one gives a F--- if you keep Passover or not, but you don't need to express it the way you did. No, I have problems with people here because so many people here are nutters. You'll notice that I haven't had any problems with the people here who are not nutters. And nutters=religious people. You think I can't see past that? I stand by my you are an asshole comments. What does that have to do with anything? Are you claiming the police are somehow drawn to me by the smell of deliciously tref cheeseburgers? Because that only happened once. You have unconventional views that are far from mainstream on a variety of topics. Whether they are in fact right or not, you will never get society at large to accept them as such with your attitude. It was a satire mocking the entire Passover story as ludicrous and implausible from the complete nonexistence of Jewish slaves in Egypt to God's apparent need to convince some dude to agree with his plan before he could implement it to the absurdity of parting a sea. In limerick form. I doubt it has been universally accepted by Jews worldwide. If that is what it was, it is quite insulting, but I'm not surprised you would keep company with such people. There are plenty of explanations for how the Red Sea could have been split. Expecting me to refrain from mentioning a wide range of thoroughly innocuous subjects lest you get irrationally offended is not asking for "respect." It's not necessarily asking for a free pass from criticism, but it's definitely asking me to disrupt my life and walk on eggshells to accommodate your silly habits. It's a bit like asking me not to invite Selkirk and Bingbong out for a beer because you are a recovering alcoholic— but without the justification that your successful recovery is actually beneficial. Your thoughts, ideas, and posts are not innocuous. My religious practices are not to be called "silly habits" if you want any sort of respect from me, and I bet the same goes for many other people here. Your analogy with regard to going out for a beer has no merit. I'm sure I said that religion is holding humanity back, but I don't think I applied similar sentiments to any individual practitioners. It is implied that if religion is holding humanity back, so are the adherents, especially when you say you don't understand the problem with your Passover thread. Religion is a fairy tale, though, and it is holding humanity back, and expecting me not to mention either of these things because you don't like them most definitely is asking for a free pass from criticism. It is true that a certain amount of blind faith is needed for some aspects of religion and science to coexist, but at the end of the day, NONE OF US knows the real answer to whether religion is a fairy tale or not. Who is to say there isn't a god who could smite you for speaking out against him tomorrow? You can neither prove nor disprove that fact, nor can I. And I admit that. Can you? Not that it matters. I wouldn't mind if they did. I'd argue the point, and I'd defend what I believe, but I'd never claim they're being "disrespectful" for criticising what I believe and I'd certainly never argue that they shouldn't be allowed to under penalty of being labeled "offensive." I certainly wouldn't try to equate that criticism with persecution of any demographic I happened to be in. Let's see how you respond to the above then... |
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