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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:21:43 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 09:21:47 2014. *going |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:22:00 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 9 13:06:12 2014. :) |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 14:23:21 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 08:51:17 2014. You seem to fail to understand that the country was divided up already. The Jews were given a portion and they created Israel.And what you seem to fail to understand is that I'm not talking about that and never was. The issue at hand is who Israel, as a country that controls territory, is willing to admit under what circumstances, and what tactics they employ in crimefighting/international relations. The Arabs were given the other portion and instead of creating a country, the surrounding Arab nations immediately started a war with the new Jewish country. That war being long over, it is no longer part of the current political calculus. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 9 14:28:31 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:16:10 2014. Have you been counting each night? Last night was 24, we're almost halfway there! |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 9 14:30:08 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 14:23:21 2014. That war being long over, it is no longer part of the current political calculus.That war is still ongoing, several countries formally declared war against Israel the moment the state was created 66 years ago and no armistice has been reached between Israel and those countries. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 9 14:33:52 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by AlM on Fri May 9 13:37:25 2014. Because of its lack of specificity? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:39:55 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 9 14:28:31 2014. Nah I screwed up. 24 lashes with a wet spaghetti noodle monster appendage. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 14:40:06 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 09:19:21 2014. 1. I agree. But unless everyone subscribes to it, it won't happen.Not necessarily. The European Union and Schengen treaty represent a small-scale implementation of free travel. Throughout the world, there are smaller areas where specific groups of nations allow limited free travel between them. (Australia/New Zealand, I'm pretty sure). Worldwide abandonment of exclusive citizenship can grow organically as similar groups expand and eventually interlink. 2. I agree that separation of church and state is a good idea, but forbidding religion itself is not. I don't advocate forbidding religion— if someone is wrong, trying to outlaw his incorrect belief will only further convince him that he's right. What we need is separation of church and state now, combined with teaching critical thinking and science (as in the process of, not just the things it's discovered) and over the centuries, religion will eventually dwindle on its own. 3. Also true, but when part of the population is irrevocably committed to toppling the state, this is what will occur. Depending on the definition of "toppling," then excluding people so devoted is hardly without reason, but every country on the planet excludes a lot more broadly than that. 4. If you can figure out a way to do this that everyone can agree with, you will win a Nobel Prize. Luckily, poverty is not an all or nothing affair. If I can get minimum wage increased in the US or bring drought-resistant crops to third world countries that lack them, I have alleviated poverty. Plenty of people do it all the time. Some of them even do get Nobel Prizes. 5. How do you think the United States grew in the 1800's? By killing numerous Indians and putting the rest of them on reservations. ...and ... that's ... a bad thing. 6. There has not been a real declared war since World War II. Every conflict since then, despite being called "wars" by historians and the media, were police actions, many with UN participation. No, but they were all precipitated by an act of war— an attack, an invasion, etc. That the current unpopularity of fighting has led countries to avoid formal declarations of war is irrelevant. 6a. What happens if the entity attacking your country does not have its own state, but are in fact an organized guerilla group? People die just the same from their bombs as from a formal nation's bombs. Contrary to popular rhetoric, there is no such thing as a "war on terror." Not a national entity? Not a war. If the entity attacking your country is just a run-of-the-mill terrorist group, then they're not qualitatively different from any other criminals; it'll just take different tactics to arrest them (or kill them if need be). Keep in mind, though, that if an entity governs territory or exerts a claim to territory that it will govern if it gets the chance, then it is a national entity and can potentially be a side in a war. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:41:34 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri May 9 14:17:39 2014. Don't sweat it. Just... |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:42:58 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 14:18:50 2014. I don't need proff, LOL! It's a known fact. And when have I ever denied that? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri May 9 14:43:41 2014, in response to Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 9 14:33:52 2014. Thank you Olog. You are a mensch. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:44:38 2014, in response to Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 14:21:06 2014. You want to implement policies that in all likelihood would lead to the destruction of Israel as we know it. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:45:40 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 9 14:30:08 2014. Exactly. Thank you. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:47:33 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 14:23:21 2014. It all goes back to the 1947 resolution, the declaration of the state of Israel, and the war. I don't understand how that can be dismissed. If you ignore that, well then obviously the situation stinks to high heaven!!! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri May 9 14:49:01 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:47:33 2014. I guess I won't get a straight answer out of you. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:54:38 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri May 9 14:49:01 2014. You didn't ask me a question in this subthread. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri May 9 15:00:20 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:54:38 2014. Are you Jewish, and what is your opinion on a 2 state solution? |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:09:59 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 9 12:06:22 2014. I think 2 is the crux of many of your problems here. I don't give a damn if you are religious or not, but I am religious, and provided my religious choices don't negatively impact your life ... you should respect my choices in the way I respect yours.If your religion is officially endorsed by the government, then it does affect my life by definition. Are you claiming that opposing theocracy "disrespects" your religion? Or are you claiming it's inherently "disrespectful" that I believe your religion is wrong and hope that, someday, people will choose to abandon it? If that's the case, then your disrespect for my beliefs is no less than mine for yours. ...(and they don't in this case, and they sure as hell don't in the case of your Passover thread)... I never said they did. In this case, you appear to be arguing that it is inherently disrespectful to your beliefs that I don't share them (but do hold the natural human inclination to wish everybody else accepted the facts that I see). In the Passover thread, you argued that it was inherently disrespectful to your beliefs that I didn't share them (or that I performed the related rituals "wrong"). Neither is consistent with your supposed acceptance of other people's beliefs. If a state wishes to maintain policies such as Israel's (Jewish and Democratic), then it does need to manage its demographics in a way you find objectionable, or else it has to engage in policies that are far worse (i.e. an apartheid style system to ensure a minority rules over a majority). America and the Chinese Exclusion Act. Segregation. Both examples of a state that wished to maintain policies and "needed" to manage its demographics in a way I find objectionable. Hopefully, you will find them both objectionable too. Israel seeks to live in peace with its neighbors, its neighbors need to demonstrate that they wish to live in peace with Israel. Jordan and Egypt seem to be managing thus far. Not sure who else there is, given your repeated insistence that Palestine is not a country. Of course, it's not just Israel's neighbors that are relevant here— neither Canada nor Uganda are anywhere near Israel, yet Israel is more likely to accept a (generally) privileged immigrant from the former than a persecuted refugee from the latter, as long as he doesn't eat pork or party on Friday night. Israel is not creating poverty within the disputed territories... So the blockade never happened? I'm imagining it? Sure they're not "creating" it (as in, exclusively) but they're contributing to it and certainly not alleviating it. the poverty is the result of a group of people being abandoned by the countries and people who are best suited to help that population, leaving Israel "responsible" in the eyes of many (such as yourself, who have been deluded by the Palestinian propaganda against Israel) Right, because a Jewish American poli sci major who wrote a thesis on the subject is totally "Palestinian propaganda." ...for neglecting a population that it doesn't want to be part of its own country... Ah, here we are back to Israel and its choice to exclude people for not being Jewish which is, as previously noted, a problem. If someone doesn't want to join Israel, that's their prerogative, but you're not seriously going to argue that every single person in Palestine has dedicated their life to Israel's destruction. By your own admission on point 6, Israel's policies in the disputed territories are justified. Israel has been at war with some countries and entities for 66 years... Which countries? ...including Hamas, which is the governing power in the Gaza Strip. Which you have repeatedly stated is not a country. Which is it? By this logic, Israel is justified in its policies in both Gaza and the West Bank. Even if I overlook your flip-flop and accept that you now suddenly consider Palestine to be a country, you need to take a second look at the prohibited tactics in a war. If Israel is genuinely at war with Palestine, then the appropriate response would be to eliminate the threat as expediently as possible with a minimum of loss. Since Israel is a military superpower compared to Palestine, ending the threat would probably involve overthrowing Hamas, not squeezing Palestine's civilian population while letting the actual enemy continue to act with impunity. That Israel decided to "withdraw" suggests it's not as much a war as you think it is. Furthermore, while you claim it is a disproportionate response for Israel to bomb mosques in the Gaza Strip in response to the rockets sent over from Gaza to Israel by Hamas, you make no mention of the fact that Hamas uses human shields and purposely places its weapons infrastructure in densely populated areas in order to maximize civilian casualties. Come on, bombing a mosque during prayers? There's no way that's justified, especially when a more efficient overthrow of the offending entity has been declared out of consideration. In other words, Israel's policies are much closer to your ideals than those of the PA or Hamas. Gee, really? I guess Israel isn't that horrible of a country after all... Oh come on, seriously? You know, if you stopped making ridiculous assumptions about what I believe, then there would be far less carnage in the local straw man population. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:10:16 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 12:17:22 2014. Grape post. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 9 15:10:21 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri May 9 15:00:20 2014. Doesn't matter. The Jews have always been for a two-state solution ever since 1947, but the Arabs (later "Palestinians") only wanted a one-state solution "from the river to the sea" with no Jewish state. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 15:11:05 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri May 9 15:00:20 2014. I responded to that when and where you originally asked it. Why not go back to that post? |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:11:59 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 12:15:06 2014. -3↑↑↑↑3 Instead of argument, package contained a bobcat. Would not buy from again. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 15:13:45 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:10:16 2014. With milk? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 15:14:47 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:11:59 2014. Sounds vaguely familiar. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 9 15:18:38 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri May 9 15:00:20 2014. The value of his opinion is completely unrelated to whether or not he is Jewish. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:24:05 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 09:21:47 2014. 1. You're an ass.You're a mule. 2. He's not saying what Israel is doing is ok because other countries do it. He saying if you're goofing to criticize Israel for doing it then criticize all other nations that do it. Goofing? Normally I'd ignore typos but since you're acting like a colossal tool I'm not going to let this one go unmentioned. Anyway, the topic of this thread is Israel so that's what I'm talking about. Moreover, Israel gets more criticism for the same actions because as a modern Western democracy, they should know better. I'd expect Saudi Arabia or North Korea to act like ten foot tall gonads but I expect better from Israel. That's generally a good thing. After all, if I caught you pissing on my floor it would hardly help your case to declare that I should criticise the dog for doing it just as vehemently. 3. Yes, post the list of all the terroristic things Israel has done like blowing up buses full of civilians. Give me ten minutes of access to Mossad's files and I'll have it on your desk by 5. On Sunday. Because you wouldn't want it on Shabbos. In the absence of that (and my unwillingness to do any real research for someone as terminally thick as you) then you'll have to settle for the blockade plus a couple of mosque bombings and/or shootings. 4. Yes, a terror state. Please phrase your statement in the form of no |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:25:05 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 09:24:36 2014. If they fled Israel and moved to a place without infrastructure, then yes, their lack of access to infrastructure is their own problem. Very good. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:26:40 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 9 11:48:20 2014. "Idealistic." That's the nicest insult anyone has ever offered. It's funny, since everyone I know calls me a cynic. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:27:09 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 09:27:12 2014. -e |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:28:46 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 09:28:28 2014. Taken in by the Gish Gallop, I see.Am I led to believe that you are conceding humanists have faced at least as much oppression as jews and are thus just as entitled to their own dedicated state? |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:29:05 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by 3-9 on Thu May 8 20:09:51 2014. Could have fooled me. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:30:41 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by 3-9 on Fri May 9 11:00:04 2014. That's the only reason I'm here.Funny you should mention that, since the only people who are wrong here are you, the various people saying the same things as you, and the hypothetical person who believes all of the ridiculous things you assume that I do in spite of being specifically told otherwise. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:32:12 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 12:42:38 2014. Exactly how do you define "of consequence?" Because according to every meaningful definition I can think of, all the people of consequence take me seriously while only the irrelevant people don't. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:33:15 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 09:33:06 2014. Fine. Double standard, then.Since most people of consequence take it as axiomatic that everyone is created equal, a double standard is generally equated to hypocrisy. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri May 9 15:34:38 2014, in response to Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 9 15:10:21 2014. Correction. Most American Jews want a so-called 2 state solution. The ones with common sense don't. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri May 9 15:35:10 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 15:11:05 2014. No you didn't. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:35:38 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by AlM on Fri May 9 09:52:43 2014. Judaism is too unpopular to make it onto the graph I found; I charitably used the 0.8% figure listed as "other" to get a rough estimate. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:36:29 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 09:38:07 2014. Excellent pillar, ma'am. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri May 9 15:37:48 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 15:11:05 2014. This was your answer. Which makes no sense. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:37:58 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:16:10 2014. OK, in this case I will freely admit that I can't figure out the context within which your post makes sense. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:38:24 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:10:45 2014. -9.75 |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:40:48 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 9 12:43:08 2014. The alleged purpose of the blockade is to protect Israel from attacks by Hamas, which you have admitted is a national entity conducting a war. This claim is belied by the fact that Israel seems to be doing everything in its power not to eliminate the threat directly.I must have missed your explanation for why Gaza is expected to make do without piping, concrete, and nails. Those seem to be fairly necessary construction materials. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:41:58 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 9 12:18:51 2014. I've said otherwise very explicitly very many times. I can't help it if you |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:42:52 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 12:17:52 2014. Boing! |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:44:50 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 9 12:08:06 2014. Why do you support Kim Jong Un and the horrors he inflicts on his own people?By your own argument, failure to explicitly denounce something no matter how irrelevant to the topic at hand it may be constitutes endorsement of it. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 9 15:47:13 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:09:59 2014. I'm not supporting theocracy in either the US or Israel, so I'm not sure why you think that I am. It isn't inherently disrespectful for you to think my religion is wrong, it is disrespectful for you to express it in the way that you do. While you claim I'm disrespectful of your beliefs, I'm not proselytizing my beliefs to anyone here, including you. Meanwhile, you fail to see/understand why pointing out that you're going to contemplate having a bacon cheeseburger on matza on Erev Pesach is insulting and demeaning to those who keep the holiday. You can think about doing that all you want without telling the world that's what you're going to do, because it is insensitive.Israel shares borders with other countries besides Egypt and Jordan. Take a look at a map sometime. If you think there isn't any unkosher meat or that no places are open for getting a drink or two (or many) on a Friday in Israel, I have news for you: you're wrong. You're just showing your prejudices against Israel by saying that over and over again. I've said I object to aspects of Israeli policy vis a vis the Palestinians over the years here. I'm waiting for you to acknowledge the role that bodies other than Israel play in contributing to the Palestinians' current plight and that those bodies, arguably, are far better equipped to help the Palestinians than Israel is. You have also yet to tell me why the blockade is not needed. As long as the Palestinian leadership maintains its current positions WRT Israel and the people don't get rid of said leadership, the thoughts of those people are less significant. While there are certainly Palestinians who would like to coexist with Israel (I've met them), there are many others who would like to wipe it off the map (they don't meet with me). Palestine is not a country, but Hamas is the governing power within the Gaza Strip, which is a disputed territory as I've explained to you previously. Israel is trying to eliminate Hamas with minimal civilian impacts. You have yet to acknowledge that Hamas uses human shields, making it difficult for Israel to fight against Hamas without the occasional, inadvertent killing of innocent civilians who would not be at such a high risk if it weren't for Hamas's illegal tactics. Israel and Hamas are most certainly at war, even if Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip. I'm assuming the thesis you referred to is yours. Care to share it with the rest of us? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 15:47:39 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:24:05 2014. I corrected it.Israel DOES act better!! I don't care what day of the week you put it on my desk. Why do you insist on making these Jewish references, especially since they don't even make sense? I'm not asking for the list of secret stuff they've done. I'm asking for the list of the obvious stuff you claim they've done like bombing buses full of civilians, just like what the Palestinians have done. So where's the list you offered? Yes, a terrorist state. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 9 15:48:00 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by AlM on Fri May 9 15:18:38 2014. IAWTP |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 15:48:39 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 9 12:09:56 2014. You seem to have no problem with Hamas firing rockets at Israeli civilians or blowing up public buses that transport Israeli civilians...Yet another straw man brutally torn to shreds. :( ...yet demand that Israel not drop bombs on Gaza or stop committing other terrorist attacks against innocent Palestinians. Wait, so are you trying to argue that Hamas firing rockets justifies Israeli attacks on Palestinians who have nothing whatsoever to do with Hamas? If Israel wants to oust Hamas, I'm all for that but I fail to see how dropping bombs on civilian populations while proudly announcing how they "withdrew" is conducive to that cause. |
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