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Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Dec 3 11:55:49 2008, in response to Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Dec 3 11:18:28 2008. It looks good...but just how protective is it? |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 11:57:55 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Dec 3 11:55:49 2008. You can't put a knife through it. Check out the other post of the WMATA video's about partitions posted by lbt9415. |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 12:01:22 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Dec 3 11:54:36 2008. Because that's the MTA way. "We are the customer service ambassadors to the MTA and provide our customers with the best service possible. If they don't feel that they can be treated like a customer then we have failed at our jobs." I've been told this many a times at Zerga Avenue in the MTA's propaganda videos. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Dec 3 12:04:27 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Dec 3 11:55:49 2008. depending on the strength of the material used, and the type of bus being installed on, they can be pretty safe.I like the ones SF MUNI have on their Neoplans & Skodas. A few Orion VIIs have these shields too. On the MUNI buses, the compartment door is locked from inside the operators compartment. Operators may raise the plexy glass for added protection. |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 12:08:20 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement, posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Dec 3 08:37:06 2008. No, not a fault of yours. Knowledge is power and you have posted this as a gift of knowledge. I am saying the MTA has as usual come up short and will continue to leave our safety unsaid. A day late and a dollar short. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 3 12:08:25 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 11:57:55 2008. You can't put a knife through it.Doesn't look too difficult for someone motivated to get a knife around it, though.... |
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Re: UPDATE (Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed) |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 12:13:46 2008, in response to Re: UPDATE (Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Dec 3 06:36:50 2008. Dave I didn't know you were that pasionate. Good observation, thanks for all the breaking news. You are our on the spot reporter. |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by rocketdriver2019 on Wed Dec 3 12:14:38 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Bingham C50 on Tue Dec 2 09:20:28 2008. Yes, they lock from the inside. No way to open it from the outside (which I don't know if I agree with... there should be a key). |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 12:16:29 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 3 12:08:25 2008. See the video. By the time you get motivated the B/O can duck or take other evasive action. I personally carry a tire buddy. In conjunction w/ other measures this is better than no protection at all. |
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Re: UPDATE (Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Dec 3 12:16:58 2008, in response to Re: UPDATE (Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Dec 3 06:36:50 2008. I hope he wasn't released, and instead held on a parole violation.You can bet that the family will be suing someone...and not the MTA, as this person should have been held on a parole violation THEN. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Dec 3 12:24:18 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Dec 3 12:04:27 2008. heres pictures of some of the drivers partitions at SF MUNI.Pictured here is the drivers partition on a Skoda. As You can see, the operator have the protective plexyglass lowered. If he chooses to, he can raise it from the inside for added security.  This photo here shows the drivers partition on a SF MUNI Neoplan. The operator here chooses to leave this one open. Perhaps this is a kickback line or never had problems. The operator  Although I dont have a picture, LA Metro is testing a drivers partition door on NABI 40LFW # 7147. This particular partition is a single piece partition ( top half - bulletproof plexyglass ; bottom half- hard metalish material ) that is lockable from inside the drivers compartment. These compartments do not instruct passenger and curbside mirror views. |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 12:25:50 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Wed Dec 3 11:45:23 2008. Yeah, the TTC is an example of public transit done right IMO, when I was on vacation. Clean reliable and vintage equipment evrywhere. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 3 12:28:45 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 12:16:29 2008. In conjunction w/ other measures this is better than no protection at all.Definitely. Let me start out on that point of agreement. By the time you get motivated the B/O can duck or take other evasive action. Practically speaking, it's a tight space, and the farebox side of the "compartment" offers access to someone motivated to slash. This isn't a mellow person that we're talking about who is going to be taking a knife to the B/O. I think that if one is serious about a partition, it has to be all the way, and not partial. Of course, that presents practical problems too. One of the main problems is that the B/O becomes embroiled in a confrontation with the unruly passenger. This has to be avoided. Enforcement of farebeating has to be left to police personnel. |
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Posted by rocketdriver2019 on Wed Dec 3 12:29:15 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 3 12:08:25 2008. This is pretty much exactly what's being installed on TTC buses... as a demonstration I tried to grab another operator around the shield on a test bus and couldn't reach him. So it's a matter of the perpetrator would not be able to reach the operator with a knife even if they try to get around the shield. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 3 12:31:02 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Wed Dec 3 12:29:15 2008. If it survives practical testing, then I'm fine with it. All that I'm interested in is effectiveness. |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by danny at 103rd street on Wed Dec 3 12:43:34 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 2 20:43:49 2008. I know, you would be out of control if you had a gun |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 12:47:34 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 3 12:28:45 2008. I know, I've been there, check out my earlier posts. I don't enforce the fare, but simply requesting the fare is enough to set one off. How do you avoid a confrontation if someone wants a transfer you can't issue. Again check my previous posts. I have not been trained by the MTA to avoid confrontation and assess situations. The NYPD trained me in conflict resolution and "verbal judo". Liberty Lines & the NYPD taught me to assess situations and how to react and when not to react, but still I found myself in a similar situation, I was lucky she wasn't armed, and the BCC didn't call the police. The MTA is part of the problem not the cure. |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 12:49:49 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 3 12:31:02 2008. My life and safety depends on it's effectiveness. |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by rocketdriver2019 on Wed Dec 3 12:50:28 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 12:25:50 2008. Heh I don't know about THAT... lots of people here would disagree with that statement, but I guess it's a case of "grass is greener on the other side" as it were.One problem we still have here is our archaic fare collection practices. We still use fare boxes where you count what the passenger deposited by looking at the coins... no digital counters or anything. Also, our transfer system is extremely out-dated... all the suburban systems around us use time-based transfers while we still use directional transfers, which are a big source of fare disputes. There are no fare cards or smart cards here, the only cards we have are weekly and monthly passes which must be shown to the driver when boarding. We also write out our own waybills here, ie every day we write out what times the vehicle leaves each end terminal and record what transfer number we start each trip at to determine approximate ridership. So while the TTC is finally taking operator safety into account (after much fighting with the union) there are still areas where they need work. How long ago were you here? |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 12:52:18 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by danny at 103rd street on Wed Dec 3 12:43:34 2008. Summary executions for all who dare to get in my way, the name is Dredd, B/O Dredd :) Just kidding. |
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Posted by danny at 103rd street on Wed Dec 3 12:53:14 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 12:52:18 2008. LOL |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Dec 3 13:00:29 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Dec 3 12:24:18 2008. Impressive. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Dec 3 13:05:38 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 3 12:28:45 2008. It isn't always abot the fare. Most abusive and abrasive passenger conduct revolves around unavoidable delays, not driving fast enough to suit the passenger, and just a general need to be abusive to a public employee.And this conduct is maybe not overtly encouraged, but it is a LONG way from being aggressively discouraged. |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 13:07:55 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Wed Dec 3 12:50:28 2008. 2006, I like it. Look at the money saved by doing that, it's old skool and it works. Loaded paddles into the radio system. Archaic, but effective. How many FB defect's result in no fare collection here, a lot. Subway station fare control results in easier boarding. We at MTA bus still have to fill out daycards with passenger counts per trip. When I worked at the Bee-line just accepted the transfer, before MetroCard, along w/ monthly flash passes. It's simple and easy IMO. The smartcard of farecard system IMO is for the transit agency to collect up front weather or not it's used, but you still have the same levels of fare evasion with or w/o out and encure the same or more loss amount involving the cost of collection media installation, maint. and infrastucture. I'm looking at it as a transit professional. With the current setup including the automated announcemnet and radio/bus tracking requires less supervison and less overhead. IMO the TTC knows how to take care of what it has even if it's over 20 years old. I've never saw a system that is so clean and reliable even w/ the rigors of a large metropolitan area. Toronto seems like Diet New York. Old, busy, big however clean and people are nicer IMO. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 3 13:32:29 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 12:47:34 2008. How do you avoid a confrontation if someone wants a transfer you can't issue.Not the answer that MTA likes to hear, but: issue the transfer. MTA knows which routes have fare enforcement issues, and they do little or nothing about it. The particular route involved had a lot of problems. And it's not the only one.... Ultimately, is transit losing $2 worth someone getting hurt or killed, if transit is unwilling to do anything about the broad problem? |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 13:40:21 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 3 13:32:29 2008. I mean, we at MTABus can't issue transfers on fareset 3 (express buses), the 1 and F1 keys are locked out. I couldn't physcally issue a transfer and had an incident similar to this. I was lucky she wasn't armed. See post #125871 for details. But I see where your coming from. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Dec 3 13:49:43 2008, in response to Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Dec 3 11:18:28 2008. whats next ?a driver has to lock themselves in a prison steel CAGE ?? then it will look like a Prison Bus |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 13:52:01 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Dec 3 13:49:43 2008. Well when that's what rides then you adjust accordingly. When people show their ass that what you get in return. |
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Re: UPDATE (Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed) |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Dec 3 14:21:02 2008, in response to Re: UPDATE (Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 12:13:46 2008. Thanks. I will provide an update later today or tomorrow about the status of the thug's next court date. As soon as I read that police picked up a "person of interest" yesterday afternoon, I was following this story all the way through my busy evening -- hence Brian helped me with posting the link. |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by rocketdriver2019 on Wed Dec 3 14:37:34 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 13:07:55 2008. I think actually the ideal thing to do with regards to fares is what our neighbouring transit system to the north, VIVA, does. They took fare collection completely out of the operator's hands, and instead passengers have to pay their fare and obtain a ticket at a fare vending machine on the street. Roving inspectors patrol the buses and fine anyone who is on board without a proof of payment, be it a ticket, pass, transfer or otherwise. The operator is there only to drive the bus and for information, nothing more. Another big advantage of this is allowing boarding by all doors instead of just the front.You make some good points regarding the TTC... I guess we should just agree to disagree. We're both transit professionals and know how our respective systems work, and the drawbacks to each. I will agree the TTC has done quite well with what it has over the years, and the antiquated technology is more a result of a lack of funding than anything else. We can agree on one thing though I'm sure... the antiquated fishbowls are still the best thing on the roads here!! |
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Re: UPDATE (Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed) |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 14:44:30 2008, in response to Re: UPDATE (Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Dec 3 14:21:02 2008. Very good. |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 14:52:22 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Wed Dec 3 14:37:34 2008. Absolutely, They are turned all the way up. That stole the show when I was there.Yes each system has it's pro and cons POP when enforced and planned properly works in it's respective areas I don't disagree with you, I can't I don't work there I just like what I saw and ultimatly your right as you live it. I just have an opinion, Stay strong brother! |
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Re: Police say the suspect has confessed --- Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by mci guy on Wed Dec 3 15:39:57 2008, in response to Re: Police say the suspect has confessed --- Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by JAzumah on Wed Dec 3 06:47:31 2008. only problem has any recent governor of ny ordered an execution to take place. i think not. would paterson be different. |
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Re: Stabber released after subway arrest |
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Posted by mci guy on Wed Dec 3 15:42:41 2008, in response to Re: Stabber released after subway arrest, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 3 11:33:04 2008. abolish parole and keep these lowlife locked up forever. |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement |
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Posted by mci guy on Wed Dec 3 15:54:07 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement, posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Dec 3 08:34:11 2008. actually in 1979 when i started bus operator assaults were soaring. ironically it was not the mta but rather bus drivers afraid they couldnt talk to their female groupies that vetoed the b/o protective shield then. |
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Re: UPDATE (Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 3 16:02:43 2008, in response to Re: UPDATE (Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Dec 3 06:36:50 2008. 20 years old and already busted 8 times, gets good behavior deal by the parole board if he stays out of trouble for nearly killing someone while he was 17, then gets busted on a weapons charge aboard a C train in July, and this animal was cut loose to kill?????? Some drug customer of his might be $36K richer for being a snitch, good for him. I hope he doesn't blow that money on drugs.Waits for his parents or somebody from this low-lifes family to say .. "Hes out Baby" Like the mommie of the Individual who got busted writing on the train. Or.. "Hes not a Bad Person".. |
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Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield |
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Posted by mci guy on Wed Dec 3 16:05:20 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 3 13:32:29 2008. nyct is aware that b46 has the highest amount of farebeaters in nyc. |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Dec 3 17:12:01 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement, posted by mci guy on Wed Dec 3 15:54:07 2008. Hopefully thinking has evolved in recent years. |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 17:12:42 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement, posted by mci guy on Wed Dec 3 15:54:07 2008. Hey, I don't groupies, just busfans. Where can I get these groupies, I'd like that. My wife might not, but I would:) |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Dec 3 17:41:13 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by mci guy on Wed Dec 3 16:05:20 2008. So is the NYPD. There is a program in operation on the B46 as we speak. |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement |
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Posted by mci guy on Wed Dec 3 20:13:39 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed - NYCT Statement, posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 17:12:42 2008. just smile and chat. wives dont like that. |
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Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield |
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Posted by mci guy on Wed Dec 3 20:21:28 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by JAzumah on Wed Dec 3 17:41:13 2008. too bad no cop on board. this may not have happened. |
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Re: Stabber released after subway arrest |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Dec 3 21:32:35 2008, in response to Re: Stabber released after subway arrest, posted by mci guy on Wed Dec 3 15:42:41 2008. But who wants a new prison built within 50 miles from where they live? |
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B/O Thomas Wake Info (Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed) |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Dec 3 21:52:00 2008, in response to Re: UPDATE (Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 3 16:02:43 2008. B/O Thomas' wake will be held on 12-7-08 from 4pm to 7pm at the Andrew Torregrossa And Sons Funeral Home.Here is the address: 2265 Flatbush Ave @ Fillmore Avenue (across from Flatbush Depot) in Brooklyn |
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Re: Stabber released after subway arrest |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Dec 3 21:52:53 2008, in response to Re: Stabber released after subway arrest, posted by mci guy on Wed Dec 3 15:42:41 2008. Many of those scum actually prefer to stay in prison, and that's why many of them continue to get into trouble. They usually have trouble getting or holding jobs, which in turn makes it hard for them to have money to pay for meals and rent. Prison life provides them with shelter, 3 square meals a day, and they get to "mingle" with others they have a lot in common with. |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by mr_brian on Wed Dec 3 23:02:44 2008, in response to Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Railman718 on Mon Dec 1 13:30:00 2008. I saw a not in service bus with B46 LIMITED signage today.And yes, it was not a Brooklyn Division bus. I thought it was a fitting way to mourn the loss of a fellow bus operator. Have any other depots done anything to show their respects? As in bus operators wearing black armbands or anything like that? |
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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by Ken S. on Wed Dec 3 23:03:35 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by mr_brian on Wed Dec 3 23:02:44 2008. An MCI came out of Quill this afternoon with a B46 FLSUHING sign. Terp got a pic of it. |
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Re: Police say the suspect has confessed --- Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Dec 3 23:30:33 2008, in response to Re: Police say the suspect has confessed --- Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 3 10:05:35 2008. The New York Daily News also had the same bit in its story. |
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Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Dec 4 07:29:06 2008, in response to Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Dec 3 11:18:28 2008. How does that stop a New York City thug with a gun ? Criminals here let their guns do the thinking since they can't think for themselves.This is Noo Yawk, the thugs here a always a step ahead. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Dec 4 09:31:25 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by TheHat on Wed Dec 3 13:40:21 2008. I mean, we at MTABus can't issue transfers on fareset 3 (express buses), the 1 and F1 keys are locked out. I couldn't physcally issue a transfer and had an incident similar to this.Yeah - do you know College Point Depot buses used to be able to do it on the QM1/QM1A routes? I don't think that it's possible anymore, but originally, I believe that they were somehow able to, but I'm not sure how. But overall, police have to be more involved in combating a 'lawless culture' on certain routes, e.g., the now infamous B46. |
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