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Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 28 03:06:22 2008, in response to 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by phxtusbusfan on Mon Apr 28 00:22:12 2008. Continental Avenue was the original street name of what is now commonly referred to as 71st Avenue. Queens roads used to have names, before the vast majority were changed over to numbers in the early 20th Century.In the case of Continental Avenue, residents of Forest Hills opted to keep Continental Avenue around in spirit, even after it was renamed to 71st Avenue, and the DOT opted to include Continental as a secondary name for the street, for a two block area in a busy shopping district in Forest Hills. For those two blocks, there are two street signs, one on top of the other, with one proclaiming 71st Avenue, and the other proclaiming Continental Avenue. Subway stations, historically, have kept old street names in their signage, so that's where you get 71 - Continental Av - Forest Hills from. In recent years, the subway map has sought to reduce station name clutter, and maintain neighborhoods in select stations (especially terminals), so the station became Forest Hills - 71 Avenue. Internally at New York City Transit, the station, its offices, and and its crew room and crew reporting center are referred to as Continental. Because Transit loves keeping things old school internally. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 28 07:25:10 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 28 03:06:22 2008. Out of force of habit, I often still call the station Continental Ave....I used that station a lot on the 1980's, and I guess old habits die hard. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 28 07:34:46 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 28 03:06:22 2008. And to make it more interesting, some buildings along that street carry a 71st Avenue address and a Continental Avenue address, with 1 Continental Avenue being closest to Queens Boulevard. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 28 10:48:48 2008, in response to 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by phxtusbusfan on Mon Apr 28 00:22:12 2008. Most New Yorkers have no idea where The Avenue of the Americas is.Street names are far more fungible than people are. ROAR |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 28 10:51:31 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 28 10:48:48 2008. Avenue of the what-icas? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 28 11:03:23 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 28 07:25:10 2008. I still use that station. Even though I live in Nassau when I don't take the LIRR I will park in Forest Hills and take the subway from there. It is convenient from the Queens Blvd exit of the Grand Central and if you go after alternate side is over you can usually find a spot. And the subway is convenient to go anywhere with convenient transfers. |
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Transit Adjudication Bureau. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Apr 28 11:05:11 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 28 11:03:23 2008. NOTICE: THE TRANSIT ADJUDICATION BUREAU IS MOVINGEffective Monday, April 21, 2008 MTA New York City Transit’s Adjudication Bureau (TAB) is relocating. TAB’s new address will be 29 Gallatin Place, 3rd Floor, Brooklyn, N.Y. TAB is the adjudication unit for summonses issued to individuals alleged to have violated New York City Transit’s Rules of Conduct. Anyone wishing to have a summons adjudicated or make a payment for a fine in person should go to this new address starting April 21. TAB’s phone number 347-643-5805. |
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Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 28 11:10:46 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 28 10:48:48 2008. I tend to disagree. While most NY'ers find it easier to call it Sixth Avenue I would bet they do know where it is. |
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An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 28 11:39:21 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 28 03:06:22 2008. You're almost correct.71st Avenue in Forest Hills runs from the Grand Central Parkway service road in the east to approximately Metropolitan Avenue on the west. It is bisected by Queens Boulevard. The western portion of the roadway, the one that runs from QB to Metropolitan Avenue is the portion relevant to the subway station. At one time, the entire roadway from QB to Metropolitan was called Continental Avenue. The roadway was later changed to 71st Avenue to connect with the newer, more easterly portion of the roadway on the other side of QB. However, the residents of Forest Hills Gardens, an upscale, privately owned community that stretches from Station Square (where the Forest Hills LIRR station is to approximately Juno or Kessel Street) opted to keep the old name, Continental Avenue, because the name sounds fancier, in keeping with the flavor of the area. Thus, when you drive west from QB toward Metropolitan, the roadway goes from 71st Avenue-Continental Avenue, to just Continental Avenue, and then just to 71st Avenue. Forest Hills Gardens has a lot of interior streets that do not border on any "city-owned" roadways, such as Bow Street, Tennis Place and Greenway North. You correctly state that the names of many Queens streets were changed from words to numbers around the time the IND QB line was being built. Hence, the station had both names, so that people still using the old name at the time would not be confused. Other stations on the QB line built around the same time also have two names for the same reason. These include 23rd Street-Ely Avenue, 75th Avenue-Puritan Avenue and to a lesser extent, Grand Avenue-Newtown and Woodhaven Boulevard-Slattery Plaza, a former park now occupied by the Queens Center Mall. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 28 11:44:13 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 28 11:10:46 2008. I agree with that. While the vast majority of NYers call it 6th Ave...most do know what Ave of the Americas is, even if they don't use that name. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 28 11:46:03 2008, in response to Transit Adjudication Bureau., posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Apr 28 11:05:11 2008. Am I missing something? Does this have something to do with Jeff's post? I don't get it. |
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Posted by straphanger9 on Mon Apr 28 11:49:49 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 28 07:25:10 2008. Born in '86 and I still call it Continental. But then I still refer to the LL station at 149/Grand Concourse as Mott... |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Apr 28 11:49:57 2008, in response to Re: Transit Adjudication Bureau., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 28 11:46:03 2008. Sorry, ment to be it's own post |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 28 11:55:07 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 28 03:06:22 2008. In recent years, the subway map has sought to reduce station name clutter, and maintain neighborhoods in select stations (especially terminals), so the station became Forest Hills - 71 Avenue. Oh really? Brooklyn College-Flatbush Ave? And all the other terminal names which now contain the more cluttered neighborhood names BEFORE the simple streets it they used to have? |
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Re: An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 28 12:45:20 2008, in response to An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 28 11:39:21 2008. You solved one mystery. I've always wondered where Slattery Plaza was. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 28 12:50:12 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 28 11:55:07 2008. That statement is still true.Adding Brooklyn College to the station name minimizes confusion because it pinpoints the location. It looks like what they tried to do was give each terminal station a name and a neighborhood, but eliminate three names in the station. Had they called the station, Flatbush-Nostrand-Brooklyn College, then you could dispute his statement. |
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Re: Transit Adjudication Bureau. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 28 13:20:47 2008, in response to Re: Transit Adjudication Bureau., posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Apr 28 11:49:57 2008. Ahh, I figured as much! It didn't make sense, so that's why I asked! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 28 13:34:23 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 28 12:50:12 2008. For 80 years it was simply called Flatbush Ave, and that was fine. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 28 13:40:25 2008, in response to 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by phxtusbusfan on Mon Apr 28 00:22:12 2008. I've always referred to it as Continental Ave. Back in the day when I used to ride through there often, I heard a few C/Rs announce it as 71st and Continental Ave. In Fischler's book, Uptown Downton, the section about the Roosevelt Ave collision, they called it 71st Street and Continental Ave |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 28 13:40:37 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by straphanger9 on Mon Apr 28 11:49:49 2008. But then I still refer to the LL station at 149/Grand Concourse as Mott...So does Transit. Mott Tower, represent.... |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 28 13:42:54 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 28 11:44:13 2008. Agreed. For years af the TA eliminated the double-letter route designations, many of us continued using the old name. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 28 13:52:48 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 28 13:40:25 2008. ...they called it 71st Street and Continental AveTransit has made that mistake as well, because people who don't live in Queens have no idea how we do things here. When I transferred from the A Division to the B Division, I received my training schedule for school car, which lists the reporting locations for each day of training. One morning had us reporting to "71 St. - Continental Av.". I knew what they were referring to, because I live in the area. Others in my class were pouring over a subway map, looking for that station, but couldn't find it, because on the map, it's called Forest Hills - 71 Avenue. They were like, "Where's 71st Street??" |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 28 13:55:07 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 28 13:42:54 2008. My father still calls the L train the "LL" to this day... |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Apr 28 14:23:04 2008, in response to 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by phxtusbusfan on Mon Apr 28 00:22:12 2008. Historic reasons. Personally, I prefer Forest Hills-Continental Avenue. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Apr 28 14:29:20 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 28 11:44:13 2008. What about Central Park South? |
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Re: An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Apr 28 15:12:19 2008, in response to An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 28 11:39:21 2008. I find the IND naming conventions in Queens to be interesting.Just a quick question - just how many folks today can find (without looking at a map) the station called without looking at a map, "Hudson Terminal"? In Brooklyn, on the Fulton Line, many of the station names reflect where the entrances to the stations were originally, and not where in some cases they are now. However that is not unique to Brooklyn - is there NOW a current extrance or exit ON West 4th Street? Just a note, Mike |
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Re: An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question |
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Posted by DCmetrogreen on Mon Apr 28 16:57:37 2008, in response to Re: An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Michael549 on Mon Apr 28 15:12:19 2008. AFAIK there is not and never was an exit to West 4th street. |
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Re: An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 28 16:58:24 2008, in response to Re: An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Michael549 on Mon Apr 28 15:12:19 2008. "Just a quick question - just how many folks today can find (without looking at a map) the station called without looking at a map, "Hudson Terminal"?"Oh, please, you must be kidding. Its Chambers Street - WTC on the 8th Avenue IND. This is SubChat, friend - a question like that is shark chum to some of the experts around here. |
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Re: An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question |
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Posted by DCmetrogreen on Mon Apr 28 17:00:01 2008, in response to Re: An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 28 16:58:24 2008. I'm not even an expert and I knew that. |
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Posted by MJF on Mon Apr 28 17:16:52 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 28 13:34:23 2008. Indeed! Why re-invent the wheel? |
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Posted by Alex L. on Mon Apr 28 17:28:17 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Apr 28 14:29:20 2008. It's the street just south of Central Park - even a tourist ought to be able to find it.But, since you're lost, it runs from 5th Ave to 8th Ave in the place where W.59 St should be. And now one for you - why isn't there a Central Park East? The other three cardinal directions have streets. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 28 17:31:27 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Apr 28 14:29:20 2008. That's been there since Central Park was. It has a different number system than East 59th Street, and West 59th Street is discontinuous.I think some people might either be offended, or get lost if they tried looking for an address like "100 West 59th Street." |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 28 17:45:03 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Alex L. on Mon Apr 28 17:28:17 2008. Fifth Avenue is a more prestigious name in Manhattan than "Central Park East" is. The building numbers are continuous through its run along the east side of Central Park. The same cannot be said about 8th Avenue and Central Park West. CPW has its own numbering system (1 is at Columbus Circle, 500 is at CPN, with every block adding 10 to the building numbers [10 CPW @ 61st, 20 CPW @ 62nd, etc.).Interestingly, Frederick Douglass Blvd (what 8th Avenue becomes north of Central Park) continues 8th Avenue's numbering system. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 28 17:46:46 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 28 13:52:48 2008. 71st Street is the stop between 62nd Street and 79th Street. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 28 17:54:25 2008, in response to Transit Adjudication Bureau., posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Apr 28 11:05:11 2008. So much for 555 Fulton, An easy-to-remember numbered building on a major street. At least it's still near Hoyt Street station. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 28 17:56:41 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by straphanger9 on Mon Apr 28 11:49:49 2008. I use "Broadway Junction" to refer exclusively to the L train station with that name. The IND station it connects to is Broadway-East New York. |
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Re: An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Mon Apr 28 18:16:43 2008, in response to An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 28 11:39:21 2008. Woodhaven Boulevard-Slattery Plaza, a former park now occupied by the Queens Center Mall.That reference is nonexistent among the public. I used the station daily for a few years and never heard anyone mention Slattery. The map identifies it as Woodhaven Blvd - Queens Mall which is appropriate, but there is no station signage to match it yet. I've heard an occasional C/R may mention Queens Center [or Mall]. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Apr 28 18:22:33 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 28 17:45:03 2008. From a previous message: "Interestingly, Frederick Douglass Blvd (what 8th Avenue becomes north of Central Park) continues 8th Avenue's numbering system."That is because the street was called Eighth Avenue BEFORE it was renamed Frederick Douglass Blvd, that is why the building numbers are the way that they are. There are several other examples of a street or avenue having been renamed (or a section there of), but the building numbers continue to use the "old" series of building numbers. Mike |
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Re: An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question |
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Posted by EastSideRider on Mon Apr 28 18:26:07 2008, in response to Re: An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by DCmetrogreen on Mon Apr 28 17:00:01 2008. I think that was meant to refer to regular people who don't know as much, or any, as others here do. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Apr 28 19:19:08 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 28 11:44:13 2008. While the vast majority of NYers call it 6th Ave...most do know what Ave of the Americas is, even if they don't use that name.Well, it's outrageously long, and doesn't have any piety value. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Apr 28 19:21:09 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 28 13:52:48 2008. Perhaps they should change the signage to read: Forest Hills -- 108 Street -- Continental Avenue. |
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Re: An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Apr 28 19:26:16 2008, in response to An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 28 11:39:21 2008. The obvious solution would have been to rename 71/Continental Avenue to Continental Boulevard. Then it would fit systematically. |
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Posted by error46146 on Mon Apr 28 19:40:10 2008, in response to 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by phxtusbusfan on Mon Apr 28 00:22:12 2008. i still call it 71st continental avenue |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Apr 28 21:11:48 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 28 17:56:41 2008. "The IND station it connects to is Broadway-East New York."Unfortunately, that IND station has been retiled. The new tiles read "Broadway Junction." It's a lost cause. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 28 21:40:21 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by MJF on Mon Apr 28 17:16:52 2008. Because Flatbush Avenue could be confusing since the LIRR station in Downtown Brooklyn is also called Flatbush Avenue and this station is no where near Downtown Brooklyn.Just because something works does not mean it can't work better. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 28 21:49:07 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Michael549 on Mon Apr 28 18:22:33 2008. Pitkin Avenue in Brooklyn is one of them because it once was Eastern Parkway. It starts in the 1400s. |
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Re: An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 28 22:22:26 2008, in response to Re: An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Broadway Buffer on Mon Apr 28 18:16:43 2008. For some reason, TA management wants to keep the Slattery Plaza name. They could easily have tiled over it a few years back when Woodhaven Blvd station got a facelift (new tiles, lighting, et al), but they left the tablets as is.I guess its no more inaccurate than having a station called Van Wyck Boulevard, a roadway that hasn't existed in over a half-century. |
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Re: An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Mon Apr 28 22:31:34 2008, in response to Re: An Interesting History ( Was: Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 28 22:22:26 2008. They probably felt no need to mess with original tiles in those tablets. Tiling over the lower section of the tablets might have looked tacky. They could have just used the same paint that they used to paint over the old signs on the inner i-beams. :-( |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Apr 28 22:41:33 2008, in response to Re: 71st Ave-Continental-Forest Hills question, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Apr 28 21:11:48 2008. I believe that the platforms for the J and Z trains at that complex used to be called "Eastern Parkway". I remember train maps and subway signage that referred to Eastern Parkway as the terminal for the old KK train.Mike |
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