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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jul 3 13:04:17 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Allan on Mon Jul 3 12:36:48 2006. No, Chase Manhattan CorporationIf Chase ended up moving to Newport, then what's currently in buildings that Chase occupied at Metrotech? |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jul 3 13:15:09 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by J trainloco on Mon Jul 3 12:48:25 2006. We never moved into that building. In 2002 we moved into a building a couple of blocks away. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jul 3 13:16:34 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jul 3 13:04:17 2006. We have people in MetroTech. The people in Newport came from downtown Manhattan, midtown Manhattan and a couple of other small buildings in NJ. |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 13:49:11 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Allan on Mon Jul 3 13:16:34 2006. Does JPMorgan Chase still have 60 Wall St?I guess not 55 Water St (previously Chemical & Manny Hanny), as that building is being converted into condos! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jul 3 13:50:56 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 13:49:11 2006. A lot of condo redevelopment is going on there - continuing east all the way to the river. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jul 3 13:58:55 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 13:49:11 2006. We sold 60 Wall to Deutche Bank a few years back.We didn't own 55 Water merely leased it (and didn't renew). All that is left is a branch. |
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Where are they now? Re: Ever a PATH express? |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 14:18:42 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Allan on Mon Jul 3 13:58:55 2006. 55 Water was a multi-use building. Chemical was a big leasee, as was DTC. MHT had a small datacenter on the 38th & 39th floors, and occupied the whole of 4 New York Plaza next door. Meanwhile Chase had (some? all?) of 1 New York Plaza, and the building (I forget its address Chase Plaza?) on William St with that ugly white concrete statue outside it.Oh, and let’s not forget 40 Wall St, where MHT did (some of) its securities services processing. That building is a Trump Condo enterprise. The DTC and MHT 40 Wall St moves must have been expensive, as both locations had big securities vaults. |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 14:19:49 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Charles G on Mon Jul 3 12:54:23 2006. Don’t you think that’s a little hyperbolic? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Mon Jul 3 15:31:00 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 11:41:31 2006. It did not go express.In the PM rush, the last stop was Exchange Place, despite being advertised (on signs and in announcements) as going to WTC. The platform at WTC was simply too crowded to allow anybody to get off there. IMO, the crowd should have been confined to the mezzanine, with passengers being allowed onto the platform only while a train was there, ready to take on passengers. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Jul 3 15:35:25 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 13:49:11 2006. 55 Water street is not being converted into condos. HIP signed a 20 year lease for half a million square feet and moved there from 7 West 34th Street just a couple of years ago. The building and adjoining public plaza have recently been renovated extensively to better accommodate office workers. |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 15:45:21 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Jul 3 15:35:25 2006. Hmm! This paragraph, from the WSJ, was quoted by Ron in Bayside in another post:Prudential Douglas Ellman, a major realty, is seeing a big increase in prospective buyers coming in the door looking for condos. The old JP Morgan headquarters is going residential. Cipriani Club Residences, 55 Water Street, is selling to the likes of Bruce Willis and Naomi Campbell. Is there an address error? I’m pleased to learn that the plaza next to 55 Water St has been renovated: it contains the NY Vietnam Veterans’ Memorial. Does the underground connection between 55 Water St and 4 New York Plaza still exist? I used to use it to get to the MHT cafeteria, which was situated underneath the plaza. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Jul 3 16:08:31 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 15:45:21 2006. My guess is that Ron in Bayside typed that in by hand.Link to the article The relevant passage: Down the street model Naomi Campbell, actor Bruce Willis and movie producer Harvey Weinstein are moving into the former 55 Wall Street, which once housed the stock exchange, last was a luxury hotel and now is being souped up as the pricey Cipriani Club Residences. You would think that the Wall Street Journal would get that particular address correct, eh? |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 16:27:16 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Jul 3 16:08:31 2006. Thanks for that! If this continues, Wall St will become mostly residential! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jul 3 16:50:42 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 16:27:16 2006. I paraphrased the article. I have a subscription, but only to the print edition. Thanks to Kevin for finding the realtor's press release. |
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No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 17:14:27 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jul 3 12:07:35 2006. I emailed NJT asking if there would be a Try Transit Festival / Hoboken Festival this year and their reply was:"Unfortunately we no longer hold this event. Your interest is appreciated." :( |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Jul 3 17:22:03 2006, in response to No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes), posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 17:14:27 2006. Instead of asking "Will there be one this year?" you should've asked "How come there wasn't one these last X number of years?" At least then you might have gotten a reason. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jul 3 17:29:50 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jul 3 16:50:42 2006. I have a subscription, but only to the print edition.Then you have access to this service, in case you didn't know. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jul 3 17:32:07 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jul 3 17:29:50 2006. Thank you. Thanks to you, I now know. |
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Re: No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 17:47:43 2006, in response to Re: No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes), posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Jul 3 17:22:03 2006. Ok, I replied asking that. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k6 on Mon Jul 3 17:57:57 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jul 3 17:32:07 2006. And knowing is half the battleGI JOE!!!!(music plays) lol |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Jul 3 18:24:27 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by TheGreatOne2k6 on Mon Jul 3 17:57:57 2006. Did I see you at Atlantic Av the other day waiting for a Q? Or was I hallucinating? |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jul 3 19:22:54 2006, in response to Where are they now? Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 14:18:42 2006. Chase was the major tenant at 1 New York Plaza and bought and then sold it in the mid 1990's. Prudential was the buyer. Chase still owns 1 Chase Plaza (with the ugly white concrete statue).Chase also still owns 4 New York Plaza (we obtained it in the merger with Chemical). |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 19:49:04 2006, in response to Re: Where are they now? Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Allan on Mon Jul 3 19:22:54 2006. Is there still a bank there? Would be odd, having bank branches in adjoining buildings! |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Jul 3 19:49:11 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 12:04:59 2006. Metaphors by Mixmaster, cliches by de Carload. :-) |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k6 on Mon Jul 3 20:18:39 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Jul 3 18:24:27 2006. No I was not in Brooklyn the other dayI'm not sure if we have even met before (unless you were at the New York Underground event or were on the train of many colors) |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Tue Jul 4 00:07:16 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by TheGreatOne2k6 on Mon Jul 3 20:18:39 2006. Yeah, we met before, at the NY Underground event. I was DTrain22 at the time. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 4 00:09:25 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Allan on Mon Jul 3 13:15:09 2006. Then who is in that building? |
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Re: No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes) |
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Posted by The I Man on Tue Jul 4 22:19:53 2006, in response to No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes), posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 17:14:27 2006. When the reconstruction of the terminal is finally complete, I can see transit doing a one shot deal. |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Wed Jul 5 00:40:43 2006, in response to Re: No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes), posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Jul 3 17:22:03 2006. Instead of the Hoboken Festival, shortly after Labor Day there will be a Liberty State Park Railroad Festival held at the old CRRofNJ Terminal in the Park that is accessible via HBLR + shuttle bus and/or use of Ferry from Battery Park. It's a pretty good show, with lots of layouts and an ample amount of dealers. Admission is usually $5.00 and the main waiting room is turned into a concert hall with a live band or two playing throughout the day.These shows have now included elements of the Hoboken Festival, but have been held over the years separately. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 5 00:52:56 2006, in response to Re: No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes), posted by BMT Guy on Wed Jul 5 00:40:43 2006. These shows have now included elements of the Hoboken FestivalExcept for the most important element - REAL LIVE TRAINS!!!! That's what I want. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jul 5 06:42:02 2006, in response to No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes), posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 17:14:27 2006. "Unfortunately we no longer hold this event. Your interest is appreciated."I'm not surprised since I've been talking about NJT wanting to kill off Hoboken Festival for many years. In it's first years it was an unbelievable success with people wall to wall in the concourse. Then slowly but surely, the vendors didn't return because of higher fees. It was the fall classic but NJT one year moved it to May and later on renamed it Try Transit Festival. It never recovered and died a slow death. It was the ultimate railfan experience. Remember excursion rides on DL&W mu's and real steam engines on display ? Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by chuchubob on Wed Jul 5 06:46:43 2006, in response to Re: No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 5 00:52:56 2006. Except for the most important element - REAL LIVE TRAINS!!!! That's what I want.As opposed to fake live trains  
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jul 5 06:57:13 2006, in response to Re: No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes), posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jul 5 06:42:02 2006. I used to go almost every year. I have Tee shirts from many festivals. The train displays and rides were the best. I even went on the "Wild, Wild West" train.I'm sorry to see it all go. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 5 07:12:14 2006, in response to Re: No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes), posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jul 5 06:42:02 2006. Remember excursion rides on DL&W mu'sYes! And I was on the last one!  |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 5 07:12:43 2006, in response to Re: No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes), posted by chuchubob on Wed Jul 5 06:46:43 2006. Yes. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 5 07:26:37 2006, in response to Re: No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 5 07:12:14 2006. AWW, that was before you went through |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 5 07:31:21 2006, in response to Re: No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 5 07:26:37 2006. gonna pop a cap in 'yo ass |
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Posted by larry19 on Wed Jul 5 11:54:02 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Michael Wares on Mon Jul 3 11:52:48 2006. From my days long ago living along an EL Hoboken route, rush hour HOB-WTC trains used to have every other train run non-stop. As I recall, both at HOB and WTC had one track dedicated to the locals and another to the expresses. I believe at HOB, the three tracks from left to right were 33, WTC Lcl, WTC Exp with the right most (WTC Exp) track being normal unused outside of rush hours.I think during the hours of Express HOB-WTC service, service frequencies at HOB were every six minutes to 33rd and every 3 to WTC (every six local and every six express). That's 20 trains per hour into a stub station without tail tracks. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 6 00:12:30 2006, in response to Re: No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes), posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Jul 3 17:22:03 2006. Instead of asking "Will there be one this year?" you should've asked "How come there wasn't one these last X number of years?" At least then you might have gotten a reason.I asked and their reply was: "Business decision based upon resource constraints." |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jul 6 06:43:41 2006, in response to The REASON -- Re: No More Hoboken Festivals, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 6 00:12:30 2006. "I asked and their reply was: "Business decision based upon resource constraints."Sounds like a nice way of saying we have no money to run this event. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 6 07:26:01 2006, in response to Re: The REASON -- Re: No More Hoboken Festivals, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jul 6 06:43:41 2006. Ha ha, the state of NJ has been having alot of money problems recently, or so I've heard. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Jul 6 09:43:59 2006, in response to Re: No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 5 00:52:56 2006. REAL LIVE TRAINS!!!! That's what I want.Here's one: 
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Posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Thu Jul 6 10:41:09 2006, in response to Re: No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes), posted by BMT Guy on Wed Jul 5 00:40:43 2006. I remember one year, long ago, the train show at the CRR terminal was held concurrently with aa custom car show, on the open area to the south of the terminal building. The train show is usually good enough, but adding a car show makes the thing really quite fun. |
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Posted by BIE on Thu Jul 6 11:01:34 2006, in response to Re: No More Hoboken Festivals (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes), posted by chuchubob on Wed Jul 5 06:46:43 2006. The Woodings and Fairmont track speeders look real enough to me. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jul 9 11:24:07 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 3 11:39:27 2006. Why is that an unrecoverable amount? That square footage won't necessarily be recovered fully at Ground Zero, but there is more than that to Lower Manhattan.Pretty simple, less square footage equals fewer people working, visiting and doing business in the area, which equals property owners and leasing companies will not be getting equal to or greater return on their properties. The bottom line is, less square footage, fewer people, lower leases revenue, lower business revenue, lower amount of wealth generated. The biggest loss never to be recovered from all of the above will be the taxes and various other revenues to the state and city of New York. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 9 12:25:39 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jul 9 11:24:07 2006. But the twin towers stood empty for 10 years before filling up.Less square footage means the available space fits market conditions better. It means landlords are more likely to get higher rents, which means their return on investment will be higher. So while I agree there was a loss, I do not agree with your current assessment of it. The area will recover in time. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jul 9 12:50:33 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 9 12:25:39 2006. But the twin towers stood empty for 10 years before filling up.Not relevant to September 10 2001. Less square footage means the available space fits market conditions better. It means landlords are more likely to get higher rents, which means their return on investment will be higher. Equal sum gains for one party don’t work in this equation for all parties involved. Rents may end up being higher for less square footage, but that doesn’t change the fact that the lower available square footage will result in fewer people working, visiting and doing business in the area resulting in less revenue generated. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sun Jul 9 15:26:46 2006, in response to Ever a PATH express?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jul 3 09:23:33 2006. There was also at one time a Hoboken-WTC rush hour express run, when the K class/MP52 cars (the last cars purchased by H&M before PATH took over) were still running. I guess it became impractical because of congestion along the route and the short run (only two stations were skipped, Pavonia and Exchange Place). In addition a lot of development took place in Jersey City at those two stops and the traveling patterns of PATH riders changed as a result. |
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