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Posted by Italianstallion on Wed Sep 18 16:07:03 2024, in response to MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Q4 on Wed Sep 18 12:21:17 2024. Even though they have no funding for it, thanks to Gov. Hochul. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 18 16:29:21 2024, in response to MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Q4 on Wed Sep 18 12:21:17 2024. Ronkonkma to Yaphank to get 3d rail?? That probably will be shot down in favor of 3d rail to Pt Jefferson, which should have been done decades ago. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 18 19:59:58 2024, in response to MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Q4 on Wed Sep 18 12:21:17 2024. to begin work on electrifying the LIRR’s Main Line from Ronkonkoma to YaphankWhy not all the way to Greenport? That's 36 additional miles on top of that paltry 12 miles . . . or are they planning to abandon east of Yaphank?? Sounds like they really could afford to electrify the entire LIRR, and even add sufficient train service to make it "viable" in bean-counters' eyes. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Sep 19 01:34:37 2024, in response to MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Q4 on Wed Sep 18 12:21:17 2024. Lol, it’s interesting how the LIRR doesn’t see the value in reactivating the Garden City–Mitchel Field Secondary to better serve The Hub of Nassau County, but gets all googly eyed at the prospect of extending third rail to some cornfield in Yaphank.Stadler's FLIRT Akku battery-powered train has demonstrated a range of 115 miles, and the ranges for battery-powered trains are only going to continue to increase. A more efficient and expansive investment would be building battery charging stations at Greenport and Ronkonkoma, lengthening the platforms, signalisation, and reactivating some of the many unused sidings for bi-directional service. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 19 08:41:13 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 18 16:29:21 2024. Doing it to Yaphank is cheaper. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Sep 19 11:00:45 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 19 08:41:13 2024. If they go to Yaphank, then they should bring the 3d rail out to Riverhead. But I still believe 3d rail extension on the "main line" will not happen. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 19 11:10:33 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Sep 19 11:00:45 2024. It's probably hard to justify the expense of electrifying through all that nothing between Yaphank and Riverhead. East Yaphank is about as far as they'll go. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 19 11:46:29 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Sep 19 01:34:37 2024. Ya[hank may be a few miles into the boonies but mid_island is well populated beyond Medford. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Sep 19 20:30:19 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 19 11:10:33 2024. That would benefit Riverhead customers. IIRC thats the county seat of Suffolk Co. Didnt the RR once upon a time run "jury duty" specials between Ronkonkoma and Riverhead? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 19 20:33:49 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 19 11:10:33 2024. Why not? Interurbans used to electrify through much longer distances of "nothing". |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 19 20:35:24 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Sep 19 01:34:37 2024. No, ranges won't increase. |
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Posted by Q4 on Thu Sep 19 21:19:26 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Sep 19 20:30:19 2024. The County Seat for Suffolk is in Hauppauge. Riverhead does have a Court Complex and the County Jail. LIRR did run a Court House special that originated in Deer Park but I don’t know if it still runs.While part of downtown has been rebuilt and is trending upward, that upturn has not made it to the immediate area by the train station, |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Sep 19 21:20:45 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Q4 on Thu Sep 19 21:19:26 2024. Deer Park to where?? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 19 21:38:49 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 19 20:33:49 2024. Technology has advanced. Even if UP would cooperate, for 3 RTs a day stringing wire from San Jose to Gilroy is way more expensive than a couple battery trainsets that can recharge at both terminals where Caltrain owns the sidings. Note also that many of the intedurbans were part of electric utilities so the ROW and infrastructure had use for both businesses. |
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Posted by Q4 on Thu Sep 19 21:48:04 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Sep 19 20:30:19 2024. The County Seat for Suffolk is in Hauppauge. Riverhead does have a Court Complex and the County Jail. LIRR did run a Court House special that originated in Deer Park but I don’t know if it still runs.While part of downtown has been rebuilt and is trending upward, that upturn has not made it to the immediate area by the train station, |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Sep 20 00:49:24 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 19 11:46:29 2024. The problem is, with the exception of Coram/Gordon Heights, the transit propensity of Mid-Suffolk County favors the areas near the Montauk Branch. I get the concept of “build it and they will come” in terms of the Yaphank electrification, but it’s not the most beneficial solution in this case, since those who will come would come from areas like Patchogue, North Bellport, and Mastic, which all already have underserved LIRR stations. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Sep 20 01:03:11 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Sep 19 21:20:45 2024. Riverhead, no one rode it though. Riverhead is the Government Center of Suffolk County, is home to a popular water park, and is home to a popular outlet mall, but interestingly enough, I think Riverhead’s dozens of wineries bring more ridership to the station now than any of the former. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Sep 20 10:33:42 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Sep 20 01:03:11 2024. Yeah, on my trip out there in August I saw more of these types at both Aouthold and Mattituck as well. I don't support electrification, but more frequent diesel service is warranted. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Sep 20 11:47:33 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Sep 20 10:33:42 2024. Southold even |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 20 12:57:36 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 19 21:38:49 2024. False. Better abandon any dreams of environmentally dangerous battery electrics. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 20 12:59:51 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Q4 on Thu Sep 19 21:19:26 2024. Perhaps the government there is doing that deliberately due to conflict of interest? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 20 13:55:56 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 20 12:57:36 2024. So do you have any evidence of problems in the French LRV case from Bordeaux? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Sep 20 14:07:11 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Sep 20 10:33:42 2024. Yep. Toss in some upgraded track while you're at it.Whats the MAS on that line from Ronkonkma to Greenport 45-50MPH ?? |
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Posted by Allen45 on Fri Sep 20 14:45:10 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 18 16:29:21 2024. Either 3rd rail to Port Jeff or 3rd rail to Montauk is the way to go. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 20 17:21:26 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Allen45 on Fri Sep 20 14:45:10 2024. False dilemma. Third rail all of it, even to Oyster Bay. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 20 18:24:18 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Q4 on Thu Sep 19 21:48:04 2024. Riverhead is the titular county seat. Happauge is where the legislature meets and where the county executive’s offices are, along with the headquarters of various county agencies.Riverhead is the home of the courts, and the County Clerk’s office, along with the county jail. The courts are also in Central Islip. They got rid of the jury duty special because it’s no longer necessary; because of the mainline third track and Ronkonkoma Branch second track, the earliest train out of Ronkonkoma to Riverhead (actually Greenport) now has a connection from New York. Currently this is bustituted. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 20 18:26:09 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 19 21:38:49 2024. The interurbans were overbuilt and were a speculative bubble. It was like the dotcom boom of its day, or crypto. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 20 20:36:07 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 20 18:26:09 2024. It was also a way to achieve ROW for the electric utilities. High voltage electricity lines remain in places where the rails were torn out decades ago. As to overbuilding, I make no argument either way. There are those (Richard White) who allege the same about mainline RRs. Given the slow, crappy freight operations at present, I dissent. IMHO the history post Staggers is mergers were used to eliminate competition and shaft shippers, consignees. RRs in general have survived on bulk shipments not delivered on reliable schedules. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Sep 20 20:52:32 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Allen45 on Fri Sep 20 14:45:10 2024. 3d rail to Montauk?? Never to be seen in our lifetimes. 3d rail to Pt Jeff should be a priority.What the Montauk branch needs is more passing sidings to allow more traffic. That coupled with an ad campaign to get folks out of their cars and back to the iron horse. The traffic on rt 27/39 is at capacity and strangling local communities |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Sep 20 22:34:49 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Sep 20 10:33:42 2024. Agreed, they also need to lengthen the 1.5 car long platforms along the line to fit at least 4 cars, even if they have to do it Forest Hills/Kew Gardens-style. In the summer they’ll occasionally run scoots with 3 cars, but the doors won’t even open in the 3rd car except for Ronkonkoma, so a lot of passengers avoid it. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Sep 20 22:52:28 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Sep 20 20:52:32 2024. 3rd Rail to Montauk is overkill, once you get past Mastic/Riverhead, there’s little commuter demand to the city. Regardless, I think a wiser use of limited resources is to invest more in sidings, expanding platforms, signalisation, buying more cars and locomotives, and making Long Island City a full-time terminal for diesel service. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Sep 20 23:04:19 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Allen45 on Fri Sep 20 14:45:10 2024. 3rd rail to Port Jefferson would be nice, if only because it sucks how the LIRR loses so much money on deadheading trains between West Side Yard/Hillside and Huntington everyday because of the lack of yard facilities at the latter. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 21 00:51:01 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 20 13:55:56 2024. Huh? Bordeaux doesn't use batteries. They use that Alstom APS ground-level third rail power supply. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 21 01:09:33 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Sep 20 22:52:28 2024. once you get past Mastic/Riverhead, there’s little commuter demand to the cityThen how come Hampton Jitney runs hourly service? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Sep 21 02:28:37 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 21 01:09:33 2024. Only one Jitney line (Montauk Line) runs close to hourly all day, and it’s not to serve daily commuters, but rather recreational travelers and people who only commute into the city a couple of times a week. For additional context, Amtrak can get you across 3 state lines from Penn to Delaware faster than the Jitney or LIRR can get you from Penn to Bridgehampton. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 21 09:55:11 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 18 16:29:21 2024. Mid-island has an advantage, though - you serve people living both north and south of the tracks. And the Port Jeff line is slower.Someone living in Selden or Coram would much rather drive to Medford than Port Jeff. And Medford would also attract people from Patchogue who want a one-seat ride to NYC. Similarly, Mastic/Shirley people who aren't right near the station might rather drive to Yaphank. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Sep 21 10:32:33 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 21 09:55:11 2024. Whats the ridership on the Pt Jeff line v/s the Main line say from Riverhead to Ronkonkoma?? |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 21 10:45:21 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Sep 21 10:32:33 2024. The current ridership between Riverhead and Ronkonkoma is peanuts because the service is lousy and you have to change trains in Ronkonkoma.How do you think people from Selden and Coram get to NYC? They don't drive to Medford. They drive to Port Jeff or Ronkonkoma. But they'd love to drive to electric service in Medford if it was there. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 21 12:31:31 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Sep 21 02:28:37 2024. So why can't the train serve that market too? and even attract more of them?Amtrak has the benefit of the fastest railroad in the country; no comparison in terms of investment. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Sep 21 14:05:07 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 21 10:45:21 2024. Like I said in a prior post, electrification should be paired with track upgrades and platform extensions. The $$$ is just not there for all that. On the PJ line, the platforms are already long and the track is in good shape. Less overall work has to be done there for electrification (as long as there's room for the substations).Besides, the folks from the PJ line along with the Oyster Bay line would scream like hell if the 3d rail pipe dream extension went to Yaphank. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Sep 21 18:35:28 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Sep 20 01:03:11 2024. i rode it, from c.i. |
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Posted by sloth on Sat Sep 21 18:55:33 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Sep 20 14:07:11 2024. 45 mph KO to MR (Must Reduce, or May Resume), 40 MPH MR to Greenport. The court house train hasn't run in years, tho I operated it as a trainee. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Sep 21 21:08:07 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 21 12:31:31 2024. It can and it should using diesel equipment, but based on ridership and traveling patterns, there’s no practical justification for electrification past Speonk. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Sep 21 21:17:09 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Sep 21 21:08:07 2024. Makes you wonder about electrification. At Metro North, 3d rail stops at Croton Harmon on the Hudson Line. To serve the ever increasing ridership on the upper Hudson, the RR got a bunch of Shoreliner coaches and GE locomotives. That worked out just fine. On time performance was consistently over 90%.as was the satisfaction level.Never in all my years of commuting from Beacon was anyone whining about needing 3d rail for better service. I wonder why that concept never caught on on the LIRR? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Sep 21 21:17:37 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by sloth on Sat Sep 21 18:55:33 2024. Thanks! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 22 00:17:03 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 21 09:55:11 2024. I've been wondering why there isn't a plan for Oyster Bay?What happened to the battery Electric train proposal? Didn't the LIRR have a plan in place for duel mode M units at one point? I believe that Alstom is building cars similar to this for the New Haven Springfield and Soutshore routes. I also understand that Siemens is building push pull sets for NYS,duel modes..so why push electric third rail service, when there are vehicles available specifically made for such services? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 22 01:38:57 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Sep 21 21:17:09 2024. I wonder why that concept never caught on on the LIRR?MNRR has combined diesel-electric locomotives that can cover both diesel territory and the Park Ave tunnel. One seat ride from Pgh to GCT. For reasons I have never understood, LIRR has no locomotives that cover diesel territory AND Penn. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Sep 22 02:29:25 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 22 00:17:03 2024. because dragging adiesel prime mover and all of the electrics plu many gallons of fuel around is a net waste o energy, hous before maintenance,assets. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Sep 22 02:37:09 2024, in response to Re: MTA’s Proposed 2025-2029 Capital Program, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Sep 21 21:17:09 2024. Exactly. The LIRR simply didn’t order enough locomotives and coaches to meet the demand for its diesel lines.I believe the LIRR’s contract for the Siemens Chargers is $337 Million for 27 dual-mode units. That doesn’t seem like enough and points to the LIRR repeating its mistake, but we’ll see. |
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