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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 9 23:06:39 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 8 06:22:23 2013. The overhaul was done in house but the estimated cost was $317,000 per car. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 10 06:56:55 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 7 11:15:04 2013. Just goes to show how such things imprint on us... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 10 06:59:25 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Flxible Metro on Fri Jun 7 12:03:28 2013. As Larry confirms a little later down, there was no meaningful difference between the R27s and R30s. In fact, since they are, from almost anyone's perspective, identical, it's odd that they have different contract numbers. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 10 07:06:08 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 7 18:01:33 2013. And the Culver stations might have lived... |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 08:59:52 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 9 23:06:39 2013. The result was a car with still not so good MDBF, but they were organ donors to some Flushing line cars. But still not very good ROI for the number of years they had left. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 10 14:43:25 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 10 06:59:25 2013. The contract is only a number and a number of identical series of cars have multiple contract numbers. With very minor exceptions, the R-1s through 9s were identical yet look at the number of different contracts that comprised that series. R-12/14s, 26/28s and 29/33s are also examples of virtually identical car types that received different numbers only by virtue of the fact that the B of T and NYCTA awarded them separately. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 15:51:20 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 10 14:43:25 2013. Wasn't there an R30A, as opposed to just R30, for City, rather than TA, owned ? They did not get the GOH. |
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Posted by CJ on Mon Jun 10 17:50:09 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 15:51:20 2013. The R30As (#8352–8411) were also GOH'd along with R30 #8250-8351. The R30As had different controllers compared to other R30s. |
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Posted by Koi-PublicTransitIsMyLifeline on Mon Jun 10 19:56:43 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by renee gil on Fri Jun 7 01:35:30 2013. R68 F? Never saw or heard of that one. Wonder if 1987 was the last time an R68 F was ever in service. I'd love to ride and photograph one of those on the Culver Line one day.Koi |
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Posted by Koi-PublicTransitIsMyLifeline on Mon Jun 10 20:30:21 2013, in response to Last run of the R30, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 5 13:43:24 2013. Wow, it's been that long? Last time I rode on one of those cars (R27/R30) was around 1990 on a J train going to Jamaica. Don't know if it was an R27 or R30, but it was one of those two car classes. The train I was on was red just like that M is in the picture. Any J train ride after that was on an R42 or R143.Koi |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 20:42:45 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Koi-PublicTransitIsMyLifeline on Mon Jun 10 20:30:21 2013. By 1988, if on the J, it had to be a GOH'd R30 or R42."Dirty" R27's were confined to the "L", if there at all. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 10 22:32:28 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Koi-PublicTransitIsMyLifeline on Mon Jun 10 19:56:43 2013. One set ran on the F that year as an experiment. I never saw any at any time after. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jun 11 00:25:22 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 5 13:55:57 2013. Because they're stainless steel. However, no other R-series car has made it to 49 years in service. |
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Posted by CJ on Tue Jun 11 00:29:24 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jun 11 00:25:22 2013. I have a gut feeling the R32s may not be the last of the R-series to have 49 years of service either. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 11 00:48:10 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jun 11 00:25:22 2013. none of them were all stainless.none of them were built like the 32s.. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 11 00:53:28 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Koi-PublicTransitIsMyLifeline on Mon Jun 10 19:56:43 2013. the 68s were having a slew of problems due to defective controllers under car.a set or two were placed on the F line for testing after some repair work was done... rode one from Jamaica to east bway..no problems at all. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jun 11 02:23:07 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 20:42:45 2013. The R30's disappeared fast from the J line soon after Archer Ave opened, within a couple of months the entire line was GOH R42/R40M. I took one on a J on opening day that December, then I took one on a Z later that week, then that was it for me. They were all on the M and L through most of 1989, and then got transferred to the C towards the end of that year. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 11 03:03:32 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 15:51:20 2013. Actually, it was the other way around. The R-30s were city purchased and the R-30As were NYCTA purchased. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 11 03:15:17 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Koi-PublicTransitIsMyLifeline on Mon Jun 10 19:56:43 2013. If I recall, there were 4 trains at a time that ran on the F during one of the Manny B shutdowns. The reason was that they were assigned to CIY and withy the uptown portion of the D being isolated from the rest of the line, the Bkln portion of the D didn't have a sufficiently long span of true high speed express operation since there was also work being done on the Brighton Line at the time. The newly delivered R-68s were sent to the F Line to test them on the high speed express run in Queens. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 11 07:06:34 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 11 00:48:10 2013. What are R32 chassis made of ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 11 07:17:55 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jun 11 02:23:07 2013. Someone I worked with commuted from Canarsie, and I would inquisition her about the "red trains". I had her take down numbers too one day. There were some on the "L" into 1990 or 91. When 40 or 50 Slants were sent East, the R30's disappeared. |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Jun 11 08:04:12 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by NorthShore on Fri Jun 7 09:37:46 2013. The BMT Multis were retired in '61, 6-7 yrs after the R-16's made their debut. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 11 10:21:58 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 11 07:06:34 2013. Stainless steel also, IIRC. There's a message there. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jun 11 11:19:33 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 5 14:06:03 2013. Well, Cuba is on the coast, isn't it? :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jun 11 13:16:15 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by CJ on Tue Jun 11 00:29:24 2013. R46 will probably see 45 (2020-2023). |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 11 13:42:57 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 11 10:21:58 2013. It's too bad they scrapped half of them. Keeping them would have allowed for more service, and allowed full disposal of the R42s. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 11 14:34:11 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 10 14:43:25 2013. Which is why, prior to the debut of the internet, I didn't know such things (I did know the physical difference between the IRT & the IND/BMT). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jun 11 14:36:22 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jun 11 11:19:33 2013. You FOUND one! :) |
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Posted by CJ on Tue Jun 11 15:34:15 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jun 11 13:16:15 2013. Yeah, the R46s have a good chance of hitting the 50 year mark, but they are on track to be replaced in 2020-2023 as you pointed out. I guess we should wait and see. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jun 11 17:32:29 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 5 14:25:59 2013. The issue is that the cars would have become too heavy. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Jun 11 21:02:17 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 10 14:43:25 2013. And, of course, 'R' contracts were (and are?) also used for various MOW and other equipment. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jun 11 22:25:43 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 20:42:45 2013. And the Grand St. Shuttle. |
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Posted by j trainloco on Tue Jun 11 22:55:36 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 5 14:03:03 2013. That based on any facts, or just your own lunacy? |
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Posted by CJ on Tue Jun 11 23:55:00 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jun 11 22:25:43 2013. Don't you mean Franklin Avenue Shuttle? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jun 12 07:38:20 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 7 14:50:36 2013. Thank you for this history. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jun 12 07:38:54 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Jun 7 14:33:28 2013. Thank you, good sir, for this and all the other info you share with us!! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 12 13:33:34 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by CJ on Tue Jun 11 23:55:00 2013. Neither. In it's final incarnation, the GSS used clean pre-GOH'ed R42's. There were a handful of dirty R27's on the L in 1988 still, but for the most part those left were mostly on the C. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 12 13:38:56 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by randyo on Sat Jun 8 14:54:45 2013. After 1955, except for a handful of R42's that everyone got, the ED got nothing but 2nd hand cars until 2001. Even in the 90's, one could say the ED was getting screwed because the GOH'ed R42's (especially the CI overhauls) had the worst MDBF in the fleet. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 12 14:13:37 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Jun 11 21:02:17 2013. Correct. In case anyone wanted to know, that's why there are gaps in contract numbers between the various types of passenger cars. The "R" designation refers to "Rolling stock." |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 12 14:15:59 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 12 13:38:56 2013. When Chrystie went in in 1967, the Eastern Div got the R-27/30s which while not exactly the latest cars in the fleet, were among the newest cars on the BMT. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 12 14:20:49 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 12 14:15:59 2013. 2 years later, the R16's were pulled and replaced with R7/9 cars. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 12 14:24:52 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 12 14:20:49 2013. Once could say the only R27/30 cars assigned to the ED after 1967 were done so only for use on Nassau St trains that used the Brighton line. The ED-only M, LL and KK lines used 1930's era cars almost exclusively. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 12 14:40:01 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 12 14:20:49 2013. The R-16s were already on the RR Line by late 1967 and the Eastern Division retained the R-27/30s along with some R-42s even if it was primarily for the convenience of the Brighton passengers. Actually, the R-7/9 cars went into the Eastern as soon as Chrystie opened and were used on the rush hour only JJ service until 1968 when the KK route was established. The J only got the R-7/9s after it was swapped off the Brighton Line with the M which then got the R-27/30s circa 1972. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 12 14:49:34 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 12 14:40:01 2013. Yep, demonstrating that any new cars assigned to Nassau St routes were primary for the benefit of the Brighton line ridership, not the ED. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 12 15:01:38 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 12 14:49:34 2013. That had a lot to do with Brooklyn politicos largely calling the shots back then. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 12 15:53:19 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 12 15:01:38 2013. Politics merely caught up with internal MTA attitudes. IND > SDBMT > EDBMT. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 12 16:09:37 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 12 15:53:19 2013. What's strange is that I came in a couple of years after MTA took over teeyay. Out on the IND (aside from Queens) we never saw any MTA wigs in the first couple of years. They infested the IRT and BMT, but I suppose they were afraid to get caught underground in upper Manhattan or the Bronx. :)As to Queens though, they got all the new and shiny. Queens democratic club I suppose was close to the Brooklyn guys as far as attention went. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Jun 12 16:54:29 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 12 13:33:34 2013. Are you sure about that. During that time I rode that line everyday and never saw clean pre-GOH'ed R42's on the GSS-only nasty, smelly grunged up R27s. The Northern "B" and "D" trains used clean pre-GOH'ed R42's. After the Manhattan Bridge opened in 12/88, the "Q" train used clean pre-GOH'ed R42's and clean pre-GOH'ed R32s only until R68s replaced them in early 1989. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 12 17:15:03 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Jun 12 16:54:29 2013. 1988 was a weird year for me. I went to school a lot (which is saying something) and I also had a job for the first time in my life, which curtailed my railfanning a bit. That's how I missed the R27 on the C era entirely. But I rode the J, M and L train almost every day that year. I remember 6 car R42's on the S the few times I was on 6th Ave before everything changed in December. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 12 19:48:27 2013, in response to Re: Last run of the R30, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 12 14:40:01 2013. I heard that CI shops didnt want to deal with the R7/9 cars anymore..and demanded they use only 27/30s on the extended M line.the 7/9 did appear often in QJ service..while you might catch a 27/30 in KK service once in a while to make service. they practically owned the LL/M/KK routes.. |
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