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Posted by Doctor B on Wed May 20 23:21:15 2009 The following post appeared today on the Queenswest Forum:"We're petitioning to ask the LIRR to turn off their diesel engine trains, or find a way to move them away from residential areas. Your support is greatly appreciated! I was waiting for this battle to begin. Condo towers are built across the street from the LIRR LIC Yard on Borden Avenue. Apparently the new arrivals failed to notice there is an active railyard next to their building. It has been there for over 140 years. We know DE30's idle every weekday. The railroad will give you a detailed explanation why they can't shut them off. Heating/cooling/computers, I've heard this before. MNR avoids the situation by utilizing house power at Wassaic. LIRR doesn't bend for anybody. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed May 20 23:25:09 2009, in response to Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Wed May 20 23:21:15 2009. If someone was stupid enough to pay $1500/sq ft to move next to a rail yard and now he wants to bitch about trains, then apparently people have again been jumping into the gene pool while the lifeguard wasn't looking.On the plus side, if they want to help the LIRR get with the 20th century and electrify, by all means, let's do that! |
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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1 |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 20 23:46:02 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Wed May 20 23:25:09 2009. LION was at LIC last summer. He did not notices nor was bothered by the idling locomotives.Objection Overruled. |
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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1 |
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Posted by d_mind on Thu May 21 00:03:38 2009, in response to Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Wed May 20 23:21:15 2009. Fuck 'em. Anyone who bitches about 140 year old ROWs should be shot. Just like all the people along the Far Rockaway branch who bitch about train horns...I told one complainer "that line has been there since the late 1800s; despite your looks, you haven't." |
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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1 |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu May 21 00:11:04 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by d_mind on Thu May 21 00:03:38 2009. I have some sympathy for certain of the people who complain about train horn noise on LIRR, since some of it is related to the sound frequency on the M7 horn, instead of just being a general complaint. |
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Posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Thu May 21 00:33:31 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Wed May 20 23:25:09 2009. word..just get use to it or move somewhere else. period i was living by roosevelt av & 86st back in the days and i have to get use to it of the noisy 7 train (red-birds back then) but i love them..lol. |
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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 21 01:39:32 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Thu May 21 00:11:04 2009. Steam whistles were louder and emitted a greater range of sound frequencies. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 21 01:41:52 2009, in response to Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Wed May 20 23:21:15 2009. Report the post as spamming.Besides, don't these new condos have soundproofing? NIMBYs can't do anything about the louder jet noise; the DE30ACs are quieter than the many trucks exiting the Midtown Tunnel and/or driving around on the streets, so these people need to take their Zoloft, frankly. |
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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1 |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu May 21 06:28:54 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by d_mind on Thu May 21 00:03:38 2009. Fuck 'em. Anyone who bitches about 140 year old ROWs should be shot. Just like all the people along the Far Rockaway branch who bitch about train horns...I told one complainer "that line has been there since the late 1800s; despite your looks, you haven't."The reason why the folks along the Far Rock and other branches are complaining is that the FRA mandated M-7 horns are way louder than the M-1's. No one was complaining when the M-1's ruled the LIRR. So essentially the LIRR snuck in new equipment with louder horns. Is this the peoples fault for complaining? Instead, the FRA should design a newer style grade crossing 'gates' that actually prevent pedestrians and motorists from circumventing the lowered crossing gates. The current style crossing gate may be good for farm country in the mid west but is not suited for densely populated suburban areas. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 07:03:41 2009, in response to Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Wed May 20 23:21:15 2009. LIRR doesn't bend for anybody.Wasn't that train yard there since the 1800's? I don't think the condo towers were built there yet. Why should the LIRR "bend" for a bunch of idiots that decided to buy a luxury condo overlooking a train yard? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 07:05:03 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Thu May 21 00:33:31 2009. They made the choice to buy a condo there. It's just like the assholes on eastern LI that buy a home in a subdivision next to a farm, and then complain when the irrigation goes on at 3:00 in the morning or they spread the manure. Who was there first? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 07:05:59 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 21 01:39:32 2009. Not to mention all the soot that was spread around. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 07:07:32 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu May 21 06:28:54 2009. The older diesels were probably even louder idling in the yard. And they have been gone for over 10 years now. And even forgetting that, were these condos built within the last 10 years? The Yard was there for over 140 years. I don't think the condos are that old |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu May 21 07:13:13 2009, in response to Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Wed May 20 23:21:15 2009. Why are they complaining? The locomotives are only stored there for a couple of hours during the day. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 21 07:57:11 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 07:05:03 2009. IAWTP |
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Posted by Doctor B on Thu May 21 08:02:16 2009, in response to Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Wed May 20 23:21:15 2009. The DE30-powered trainsets idle every weekday from about 8:00 A.M. to 5:30 P.M. There's nothing in the yard at night or weekends.People come to look at condos in the area on weekends, when there is no train traffic and the streets are empty. Sales agents won't say, "Hey, on weekdays this area is a very busy transit hub". Crowds at the Vernon/Jackson 7 station, Midtown Tunnel traffic jams, and the LIRR activity. New tenants probably flip out their first weekday morning in their expensive new apartment. |
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Posted by arnine on Thu May 21 08:09:00 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 07:05:03 2009. IAWTP |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu May 21 09:08:32 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu May 21 07:13:13 2009. Bored bitches need something to do. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 10:14:13 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Thu May 21 08:02:16 2009. New York State is a state that practices "caveat emptor" which means "Let the Buyer Beware". It is up to the BUYER to research where they are going to live and the surrounding neighborhood. It's their own fault if they "didn't see" the train yard, and it's a little yard to miss. And it's been there almost 150 years. The condos weren't. It's their own fault if they "flip out" in their new apartment. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu May 21 10:25:12 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 10:14:13 2009. You're so right! I remember seeing from day one from the #7 train as it passed by the big sign that stated "Luxury condos for sale" and I thinking...how would anyone buy a condo next to a rail yard? I mean the window faces the yard and all the other rail activities. Maybe railfan? :) |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu May 21 10:35:24 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 10:14:13 2009. Meanwhile, from the Pavonia-Newport section of Jersey City, there's a lawsuit against LeFrak and others for failing to disclose noise from a PATH transformer in a new development there .In that case, however, the homeowners are essentially suing for a refund, plus interest, of their purchase money. Sounds more to me like they felt that they got the short end of the stick, so they're going to try and undo the transaction. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 21 11:06:39 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 07:07:32 2009. You mean the older diesels were even LOUDER than the DE/DM's? Yikes. Even the FL-9's were quieter than these screaming mimis. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 21 11:08:37 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Thu May 21 08:02:16 2009. People come to look at condos in the area on weekends, when there is no train traffic and the streets are empty. Sales agents won't say, "Hey, on weekdays this area is a very busy transit hub".I would never buy a place after only seeing the area once. Even when renting an apartment, I like to visit the neighborhood a few times at 2 a.m. to see what it's like. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 21 11:09:12 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 07:03:41 2009. Condo owners will claim that the LIRR can accomodate them, and they technically could. Some idiotic environmentalist judge will side with them. Just wait and see. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 11:09:40 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Thu May 21 10:35:24 2009. Meanwhile, from the Pavonia-Newport section of Jersey City, there's a lawsuit against LeFrak and others for failing to disclose noise from a PATH transformer in a new development there .New Jersey is not New York State. Long Island City is in New York State. Jersey City is in New Jersey. I don't know if they employ "caveat emptor" (Let the buyer beware) in New Jersey or not. I don't believe so. Every state has different laws. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 11:11:57 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 21 11:06:39 2009. The GP38's certainly were. I don't know for sure in idle mode, but the GP38's roared a lot more when running. I used to be able to hear the GP38-2's from my house reving up when they were starting up at the station, and the station is about a half a mile away from me.I remember standing on some stations like Oakdale on a summer evening when the Montauk express westbounds used to go by, and those things SCREAMED as they went by. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 11:14:37 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 21 11:08:37 2009. You are so right. This excuse that "they didn't know" is ridiculous. Again, in NY State it's "let the buyer beware", meaning it's their OWN responsibility to research such things. If they don't, it's their own fault.And what exactly did they think all those tracks outside their "luxury" windows were? If it looks like a train yard, it's a train yard....and it's been there over 140 years.... |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu May 21 11:15:37 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 21 11:06:39 2009. You mean the older diesels were even LOUDER than the DE/DM's?Most of them, yes indeed. And a lot more dirty too! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu May 21 11:37:43 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 11:09:40 2009. Remember that we're talking about two different debates here. The action that I described in Jersey City is against the developer and brokers, i.e., the unit's sellers and their agents. But the petition described in the original post here in LIC concerns action that unit owners demand that the railroad take. Very different situations.In the event that some fool unit owner wants to bring an action against LIRR that the railroad activity constitutes a nuisance, I suggest that we give the ideas of Guido Calabresi and Douglas Melamed's classic article a whirl, with a similar approach taken here. If you want to call it a nuisance, since you came to the nuisance, indemnify LIRR to shift operations so as to abate the nuisance. So they can pay for LIRR to electrify, or take other measures! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 12:00:53 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Thu May 21 11:37:43 2009. True, but even if somewhat different situations, the original post mentioned something like "the LIRR doesn't bend for anyone" or something to that effect. Why should the LIRR bend though? The yard was there first, they aren't doing anything different than when the condo people bought their units. In NY state it's "buyer beware". If they didn't do their research before buying, that is THEIR problem, not the LIRR's. And I am SURE these condos, even if "luxury", are still cheaper than other condos that are similar in a neighborhood where there is no train yard.I have no sympathy for people that buy something cheaper than some better location, and then expect everyone to bend around them. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 12:12:24 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Thu May 21 11:15:37 2009. Yeah, the black "pollution" that came out of the GP38-2's and the MP15's was a lot more than comes out of the DM/De's! |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu May 21 12:13:34 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 11:11:57 2009. You reminded me of the news I read yesterday. Residents complaining about the noise from an AC/DC concert 20km (13 miles) away in Germany. lol |
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Posted by metropod on Thu May 21 13:02:55 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 07:05:59 2009. and they fact they could explode. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu May 21 14:01:24 2009, in response to Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Wed May 20 23:21:15 2009. Piss off you idiots! |
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Posted by D to E to Jamaica on Thu May 21 16:04:23 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu May 21 14:01:24 2009. They shoud of sold them to railfans, probably would have gotten more than market vaule.When I ws house hunting I went when it was raining just to see if anything leaked. Let the buyer beware indeed. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu May 21 17:03:52 2009, in response to Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Wed May 20 23:21:15 2009. Wah f**king wahh!! They all need to quit crying!! Next time, do some research on the area one is moving into before moving there!! Sounds like all the whiney babies who used to whine and moan for years in southwest Queens about airplane noise, yet chose to build a house or move into a house they know is right in the common flight paths for aircraft leaving JFK Airport. If you can't deal with it, move away or after doing proper research, opt to live somewhere else!! |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu May 21 17:08:37 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 07:03:41 2009. They figure they will get leeway the way Montauk residents did when they complained a few years ago about idling engines at the Montauk lay-up yard. All I gotta say is wah f**king wah!! They need to research an area first before moving there.....maybe they will realize the internet is good for more than whackin' off to porn or trying to chatup 14 year old girls or boys while being married/involved with a significant other, as commonly these affluent, upper classed condo owner types who whines the most do!! |
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Posted by arnine on Thu May 21 17:08:50 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu May 21 17:03:52 2009. IAWTP |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu May 21 17:11:51 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by arnine on Thu May 21 17:08:50 2009. lol....sorry my internet comment abbreviation knowledge is lacking!! What does that mean?? :-) (My knowledge ends at WTF or OMG!! lol) |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Thu May 21 17:23:30 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu May 21 17:11:51 2009. IAWTP = I agree with this post. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu May 21 17:26:48 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by arnine on Thu May 21 17:08:50 2009. I can tell you, having grown up 9 blocks from Runway 13L/31R (pronounced ONE-THREE-LEFT, THREE-ONE-RIGHT in aviation lingo, and all subsequent runway references are to be interpreted as such), from 1981 to 2001, I can remember every Concorde, both British Airways and Air France, who had 2 times-a-day departures each (0800 and 1300 approx. for Air France, 0900 and 1400 approx. for British Airways), and 2 times-a-day arrivals each, I know about noise, and I mean true, foundation-shaking noise when these bad girls took off from Runway 22R about 2 miles away and generated a shockwave with the thrust of the afterburners (attached to powerful Rolls-Royce Olympus engines) or 31L towards Howard Beach and Canarsie. And about smells, try smelling for 4 - 6 hours the "sweet smell" of jet fuel from idling planes in a winding taxi line all awaiting takeoff on Runways 13R or 22R, both really close to where I lived, not to mention the added smell of the arrived jets, and also when the winds were out of the southwest direction, the smell of the then-Spring Creek/Starrett City landfill and the sewage treatment plant at the extreme west end of JFK, and the nicer smell added in of polluted Bergen Basin at low tide.....now all that is true smell!! Screw the sounds of DE/DM30s idling being loud, or diesel fuel reeking worse than what I smelled out by JFK!! I would take those and Nathan K5LA toots over being another second next to JFK Airport, hearing it and smelling it, any day!! |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu May 21 17:29:00 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Thu May 21 17:23:30 2009. Cool!! Thanks!! :-) |
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Posted by R160 8818 on Thu May 21 21:34:26 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu May 21 17:08:37 2009. LOL good post! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 21 21:45:45 2009, in response to Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Wed May 20 23:21:15 2009. LIRR doesn't bend for anybody. . . except for Rockaway Line NIMBYs. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 21 21:47:09 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 07:05:03 2009. And would they rather starve? Let 'em get their hands dirty growing food; then they'll be too tired to hear the irrigation systems at 3 am. (Nice career change, eh?) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 22:18:47 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 21 21:45:45 2009. ....and Glendale residents some years ago....and the people along the Port Jefferson Branch....and people in Cedarhurst who complain that the trains toot at crossings....and...... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 21 22:44:02 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Wed May 20 23:25:09 2009. But they'll win. NIMBYs always do, unfortunately. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 21 22:54:51 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 21 07:05:03 2009. I have heard that farmers upstate that have operated for generations have been put out of business under "nuisance" complaints filed by new residents.If the condo owners have or acquire political pull, the LIRR facility could be in danger. Look what happend along Jamaica Avenue int he 1970s... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 21 22:55:43 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 21 11:09:12 2009. IAWTP. Unfortunately. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 21 22:57:57 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu May 21 10:25:12 2009. I WOULD actually consider a view of an active railyard as a plus. |
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