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Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 29 12:10:00 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 29 11:56:21 2008. This is usually what happens to any NYC rail project... Yes, construcion is begun in good economic times, but progress is so slow that the project can never be finished before the next economic downturn. Construction is halted to concentrate on more immediate needs. Then the economy recovers, and the process begins anew. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 29 12:17:31 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 29 12:10:00 2008. But the sickest part of the sad turn of events?The SAS had TONS of pretty drawings and surveys from over the last 80 YEARS..sitting in a draw. HOW MUCH HAS CHANGED since the LAST SET was done during the 70's..? Not much if any thing at all. So all this "new engineering" bullshit was GRAVY for the designers... And they KNEW IT..GLOATING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jan 29 12:17:48 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Mon Jan 28 22:53:48 2008. Yes you are wrong, very wrong.The purpose and intent of FTC should have been a simplified process to transferring between nine subway lines plus a new Dey Street passage to PATH, the R/W and E lines. More importantly, the sooner the twisted ramps and stairs to the A/C platform are eliminated in favor of a single and wider passageway, the better. (as many of us besides you and Ron advocated for) The passageway would connect the 4/5 with the J/M/Z (via staircases), and 2/3 lines, plus the staircases needed to access the A/C platform downstairs, is much better than finding yourself along the A/C platform because you came from the Uptown J/M/Z platform and need to get to the 2/3. Or you might be on the 4/5 and there was a problem and you want to catch the Bay Parkway-bound M instead (both instances require the use of the A/C platform). The $800 million glass egg is a total waste of FEMA, and Federal money earmarked (of which only half was allocated by the MTA, hence the monopolistic bid price and cost overruns.). The 2 years spend on this misguided project could have been spent working on the transfer passages, maybe build another transfer passage underneath John Street (one block south of Fulton), even it if meant eliminating the P/T fare control on the 4/5 Uptown side. The place is now a wreck, and I am itching to bring my camera with me tomorrow to take some pictures of this newly minted "mini-pit" at Fulton and Broadway, just to magnify the real tragedy this has happened in rebuilding Lower Manhattan. Businesses lost, tax revenue is now lost, pedestrian traffic is impossible to navigate through the "temporary" sidewalks, adjoining businesses are losing customers, and the prospect of any good n'oreaster will easily flood the 4/5 platform if the "levees" broke, LOL. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 29 12:22:10 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 29 12:10:00 2008. Got to be more like the smart surfer, you have to plan catch the right wave (and be lucky). You position yourself when the big waves aren't there yet for when the big waves come. We all know that the economy is cyclical. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 29 12:24:01 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 29 09:19:47 2008. Gee, what a surprise, eh? Did anyone with even half a brain believe that the FTC would be built as advertised?I'm sure none of us here at SubChat were duped. link |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Tue Jan 29 12:26:20 2008, in response to Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Russ on Mon Jan 28 20:24:18 2008. All this station needed was better signage and one or two new corridors. It is best not to waste money on flamboyant extras. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 29 12:27:12 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Jan 29 09:49:21 2008. No, what they should have done was engineered a pedestrian bypass of the IND platform for transferring passengers. That, like along with what you said, cleaning up the existing passageways and making minor improvements where necessary. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Jan 29 12:33:07 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 29 12:27:12 2008. Yeah, a pedestrian bypass, as you stated, or easier new corridor for transferring passengers from the IND platform, perhaps to go straight from the IRT 7th Avenue line to the BMT Nassau-Centre line to the IRT Lexington Avenue line would be a fantastic improvement. That would also be a great engineering feature for the plan at Fulton Street if they could have done so.-William A. Padron ["Fultn", as seen on original BMT Division station walls] |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 29 12:38:18 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 29 12:22:10 2008. One good thing about the current SAS plan is that it's been chopped into more managable pieces. It probably improves the chances that something can be built and run no matter what. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 13:03:41 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 29 12:08:10 2008. That's a safe bet. Why shouldn't it? There's demand for LIRRto go to GCT, and the least expensive way to get there is to complete the project now underway. Any other route or project will carry an even higher price tag than this one. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 13:05:05 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Forest Glen on Tue Jan 29 12:26:20 2008. False statement. It critically needed the underground renovations now in progress. The above ground stuff was important, but not AS important; that part can be delegated to private developers to do. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 29 13:23:30 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 29 12:01:50 2008. The MTA is such a bloated, bureaucratic mess that nothing can get done except flushing taxpayers' money down the toilet.I just feel bad for all of the businesses that got forced out by the MTA and others who lost so much foot traffic that they were forced to close too. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 13:29:29 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 29 13:23:30 2008. Other businesses will replace them. No biggy. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 13:29:48 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 29 12:38:18 2008. Ayup |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 29 13:34:14 2008, in response to Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Russ on Mon Jan 28 20:24:18 2008. What the MTA needs is SMARTER transit...and a really smart thing would be to sell or net-lease development rights above the Fulton Transit Center (preferably for a high-rise that restores the property to the tax rolls).Also, regarding the 7 to Javits Center...the solution is not a subway extension, but two light rail lines across 34 and 42 Street, which would probably cost somewhere in the realm of about $600M...and then a larger light rail network that can be built instead. (The city needs to realize this too, and put money in smart transit, such as above.) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 29 13:37:28 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jan 28 20:49:25 2008. The FTC building as envisioned was going to have retail tenants. If a private developer takes over above ground you'll get a new building a new retail tenants and still derive benefit.And it should end up restoring the property to the tax rolls. (IMO, for as many properties as possible, the MTA should consider selling air rights for development, such as above the Concourse Yard, the Sea Beach Line, and other open cuts where possible. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 29 13:37:58 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 13:29:29 2008. No biggy to you, maybe, but biggy to them. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 13:38:27 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 29 13:37:28 2008. I like your thinking! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 13:39:10 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 29 13:37:58 2008. That's life. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 29 13:41:40 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jan 29 12:17:48 2008. You nailed it RIGHT on point.Everyone here..with the exception of Ron and another..stated that the FTC was BULLSHIT PORK PROJECT..PUSHED BY KILLACOW/PATURKEY.[Mr/MRS Steal A State]... What can they do now to save face..? Find a partner willing to invest...build a office tower with retail above the complex..with the buildings MEZZ serving as the grand entrance to the subway system also.... This way..they can cut their loses. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 29 13:48:24 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 29 13:37:58 2008. Why do you think Ron cares? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 13:48:57 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 29 13:41:40 2008. The foamers here didn't like it because it had nothing to do with train equipment and because MTA didn't hire them to design it.They're entitled to their foam, but I'm after a real train station, and FTC is it. If I can't have the Egg, I'm not going to commit suicide over it. I don't need to save face, because I'm not eg-involved in it. MTA will finish as much of it as it can, and the foamers will go down in it and take their pictures and foam all over, and hey that's cool. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jan 29 13:56:10 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 13:48:57 2008. Bullshit, it's all about improving passenger accessibility (including ADA access to all stations and some exits), eliminating the confusing transfers that require use of the A/C platform, more effective crowd control and improving the overall outlook of Lower Manhattan, not to build a museum piece that will become a huge terrorist target. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jan 29 13:56:52 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 29 13:23:30 2008. Exactly! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 29 13:57:43 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 13:03:41 2008. But there were much cheaper options that they could have went with...such as using part of GRAND CENTRAL lower level..and they can STILL DO IT..Two tunnels in Sunnyside..with diverging track..to the new yard..instead of 3.. HECK..if you scrap the whole TERMINAL within a Terminal crap..you'd save a BILLION right there... |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jan 29 13:58:38 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 29 13:41:40 2008. Thank you! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 14:14:28 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jan 29 13:56:10 2008. There are so many terrorist targets in New York that FTC is just one more. No need to break out the Depends."it's all about improving passenger accessibility (including ADA access to all stations and some exits), eliminating the confusing transfers that require use of the A/C platform, more effective crowd control and improving the overall outlook of Lower Manhattan," Agreed. All of which FTCwill accomplish,even if the above-ground portion has to be done by a private developer. So we're getting what we want. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 29 14:20:12 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 14:14:28 2008. Yes,in a manor of speaking..the project will be completed..Still..I believe the MTA knew it was bitting off more than it could chew.. Never the less..if there was some sort of "public/private" partnership involved here...maybe we might see a gleeming new tower standing on the sight that would pale the WTC Freedom Fries Tower... |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 29 14:21:51 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 29 13:48:24 2008. I know he doesn't, but who cares if Ron cares or not? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 29 14:23:00 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 29 14:20:12 2008. No, it will not be completed. The biggest problem with the complex will be left unsolved - transferring past the BMT without going down to the IND platform. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 29 14:25:20 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 29 14:21:51 2008. It's the fact that you constantly reply to his posts, even though you claim to know that he doesn't care, and will only use your replies to possibly make unwarranted personal attacks against others.Ron is irrelevant here. If you know this, then there is no reason to reply to his posts. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 29 14:25:29 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 13:48:57 2008. "Saving face" was not directed towards you,my friend..It WAS directed towards the folks who didn't exactly do "market research" on whether such a project was feasible..or if it could be built within budget..or COMPLETED ON TIME... Turns out that NONE of those goals will be met...so where do you go from there..? You go back to the drawing board..and try again. This time..working from a wiser course of "attack". |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 14:29:33 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 29 14:20:12 2008. "a manor"Stately Wayne Manor? Where's Alfred? Aunt Harriet? |
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Posted by Russ on Tue Jan 29 14:30:42 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 29 09:36:57 2008. Well, if a developer can line up an anchor tenant, it becomes very doable. The location is incredible, so it is not out of the realm of possibility.The area is rebounding. Goldman Sachs will soon move their headquarters to an under construction $2.4 billion, 2.1 million sq.ft. headquarters in Battery Park City. It is less than a 5 minute walk from Broadway & Fulton. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 29 14:33:48 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 14:29:33 2008. "Holy Puns,Batman..." |
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Posted by Russ on Tue Jan 29 14:37:10 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 29 14:23:00 2008. The biggest problem with the complex will be left unsolved - transferring past the BMT without going down to the IND platform.That problem should not be underestimated. This turns the station into a labyrinth for anyone not intimately familiar with it. I would have preferred to see the 9-11 money for both the FTC and new South Ferry terminal used to build a new Nassau/Fulton station below the IND platform. Then the existing BMT station station could have been destroyed to open up the station, and make it far easier to use. Unfortunately, such a project would be so expensive that you need a once in a lifetime event to make that kind of money available. We had such an event, and what are we getting out of it? Lower priority improvements to Fulton St., and a new South Ferry terminal that was not really needed. |
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Posted by Russ on Tue Jan 29 14:39:36 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 01:40:26 2008. How are small business owners going to raise the capital to construct a billion dollar plus building that such a site demands in the Manhattan marketplace? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 29 14:52:41 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Russ on Tue Jan 29 14:37:10 2008. Or they could have built a pedestrian cross passage one block to the south, assuming it was technically feasible. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jan 29 14:59:02 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 29 14:52:41 2008. The only possible setback in building the John Street passageway might be building the tunnel in between or underneath the Nassau Street line as both platforms are not level with each other. But it would be worth a look from an engineering standpoint. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 29 14:59:56 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jan 29 14:59:02 2008. It can't go between the Nassau Street line tunnels. There's no room. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jan 29 15:26:19 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 29 14:59:56 2008. Then it clearly would have to go under, possibly eliminating the underutilized John st entrances. No big loss. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 15:33:10 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Russ on Tue Jan 29 14:39:36 2008. Who said anything about just small business owners? Small, medium, large - everybody can throw in something.When a charity hits people up for money, some people can give a little; some people can write bigger checks; some people can write much bigger checks. It all adds up. If you need a billion and you get $250 million from private sources, that's $250 million the taxpayers don't have to pony up. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 15:35:01 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Russ on Tue Jan 29 14:30:42 2008. And Goldman Sachs can also be hit up for a contribution to FTC. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jan 29 15:42:23 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 15:33:10 2008. After the MTA betrayed business owners using the Eminent Dysfunctional process, do you really think these owners will contribute????????????????? Only you can think of such idiotic ideas. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 15:48:47 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jan 29 15:42:23 2008. "After the MTA betrayed business owners using the Eminent Dysfunctional process"That's called whining. Those business owners were paid to leave (in fact, they were paid more than their businesses were worth. And yes, businesses will definitely want to contribute - abd then try to line up priority for the retail slots above the station. The whiners will shoot themselves in the foot and drop out. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jan 29 16:05:21 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 13:05:05 2008. But those underground renovations will do little or nothing to alleviate crowding or even separate crowds waiting for trains from those transfering between platforms. At best the new station will be unlikely to make the pedestrian flow situation any better, at worst the new underground atrium, even without the egg, could make crowding worse. If you want a "pretty" station the MTA could easily have renovated the station for far less money. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 29 16:10:35 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by WillD on Tue Jan 29 16:05:21 2008. since we've made this same argument many times before, we know that Ron disagrees, and could quite possibly use the opportunity of your post to make more unwarranted personal attacks. |
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Posted by wzlirr on Tue Jan 29 16:17:37 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Russ on Tue Jan 29 14:37:10 2008. Does anyone know the historical reason why the BMT Nassau Street extension was built at Fulton Street station the way it was -- with the southbound track over the northbound platform. If the two levels had the platforms aligned over each other, then transfer could have been a simple stairway -- but no, you have to go down onto the IND [A] platform and walk in what seems to be an illogical direction to reach the other level bound for Jamaica.When I go home at night, I walk up John Street, turn north onto Nassau and find the stairs near Wendy's (almost at Fulton Street), then down to the turnstiles and down again. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 29 16:22:02 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by WillD on Tue Jan 29 16:05:21 2008. "At best the new station will be unlikely to make the pedestrian flow situation any better"I'm sorry, Will, but I disasgree. In fact the station eill improve pedestrian flow and access, reduce bunching and make train transfers much easier. It could do even better with the above-ground design MTA wanted, but even the underground portion has been well thought out within available budget. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Jan 29 16:53:16 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by wzlirr on Tue Jan 29 16:17:37 2008. Nassau St is too narrow for 2 tracks plus a platform, all on the same level. There once were stairs (near Ann St) that let you go from the upper level BMT platform to the lower platform (without having to use the IND platform) but they were like stairs in a fun house. You went down and around and around and around, crossed under the lower BMT track, then up and around to reach the lower BMT platform. The stairs were closed many decades ago because of security concerns. |
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