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Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jan 30 09:06:43 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jan 30 09:03:04 2008. No, Suit Covered Anus, aka the fat suits on the trains.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jan 30 09:12:14 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Fred G on Wed Jan 30 09:06:43 2008. Yes- that makes more sense! |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jan 30 09:13:33 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jan 30 09:12:14 2008. I kid you not, amigo.your pal, Fred |
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Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 30 09:14:00 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jan 30 04:55:42 2008. LOL! So you also think they should hire you to be Executive Director because nobody but you is smart enough to build a subway.I think you'll have to take a number. Will, Brian and a few other people think they should be Executive Director. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 30 09:17:10 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jan 30 04:57:57 2008. Then they would have spent money underpinning the buildings, and would have had to tear some of then down for new entrances anyway.This way they'll get a developer to put a new tower up and MTA will collect lease payments for the next 100 years. MTA will get all its money back eventually. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 30 09:22:08 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jan 30 08:24:31 2008. "Liar, you were for the glass egg because people cannot find any of the 15-plus subway entrances!"I still am in favor of the Egg for that reason. But I won't get it, so I'm settling for what I can get, which is pretty good. David is such a doofus sometimes...:0) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 30 09:22:08 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jan 30 08:24:31 2008. "Liar, you were for the glass egg because people cannot find any of the 15-plus subway entrances!"I still am in favor of the Egg for that reason. But I won't get it, so I'm settling for what I can get, which is pretty good. David is such a doofus sometimes...:0) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 30 09:24:33 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 29 11:41:41 2008. No. Illogical. The #7 is a self-funded project, and its moneies cannot be used for the other projects.Do some reading on TIF. The worst case is that the 7 extension will be completed with only one station built (Javits). |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 30 09:42:11 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 30 09:24:33 2008. The #7 is a self-funded project, and its moneies cannot be used for the other projects.The #7 line extension is funded by the City's borrowing power. That borrowing power could have been used for other projects. The worst case is that the 7 extension will be completed with only one station built (Javits). Rail access to Javits could have been accomplished with an LIRR shuttle to a station in the West Side yards. The cost would have been much less than $100 million, as compared to the $2 billion plus for the #7 extension. The need for large convention centers is problematic in the Internet age. Plans for an enlarged Javits Center have been cut back and room for subsequent expansion will be eliminated. The worst case scenario is that the $2.1 billion will be spent, without completion, additional monies will have to be raised and the station will not generate sufficient tax revenues to pay back the bonds. At this point, they appear to be on track for such a scenario. The other projects that the #7 extension precluded, might have been less risky and might have provided a quicker payback. |
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Re: Elmer Fudd Alert!! (was re : NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budge...) |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jan 30 09:52:23 2008, in response to Elmer Fudd Alert!! (was re : NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budge...), posted by Charles G on Tue Jan 29 21:28:47 2008. I am Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht.And a car, and a plane, and a DRUM MACHINE. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 10:06:58 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 30 07:39:49 2008. M104 riders across 42 Street---take a transfer (even if paying with MetroCard), take the light rail, and then transfer to your final mode with MetroCard. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 10:08:05 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jan 30 02:29:35 2008. Oh noes! Not again! :-) |
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Posted by Fytton on Wed Jan 30 10:12:58 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 29 13:37:28 2008. 'the MTA should consider selling air rights for development'This is so blindingly obvious - why the hell didn't they think of it when planning the new Fulton St hub in the first place? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 30 10:14:52 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Fytton on Wed Jan 30 10:12:58 2008. why the hell didn't they think of it when planning the new Fulton St hub in the first place?Are you implying they laid a (glass) egg? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 10:15:48 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Fytton on Wed Jan 30 10:12:58 2008. Just a slight modification, however...the MTA should do a net-lease project...MTA gets payments, and the property above the station gets restored to the tax rolls. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 10:16:18 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 30 10:14:52 2008. More than a glass egg, if you ask me! Maybe a glass egg and a few rotten ones. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 10:17:49 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 30 09:42:11 2008. Rail access to Javits could also have been accomplished with streetcars.Now, if the next mayor is smart, the project should be cancelled at that point. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jan 30 10:17:55 2008, in response to Elmer Fudd Alert!! (was re : NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budge...), posted by Charles G on Tue Jan 29 21:28:47 2008. Again! LOLyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 30 10:34:52 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 10:17:49 2008. Rail access to Javits could also have been accomplished with streetcars.Not for well under $100 million. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 10:37:00 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 30 10:34:52 2008. The project is supposed to cost $2.4B for a 7 line extension to Javits. With that, the city could get multiple light rail crosstown lines and perhaps East Side light rail laid down...and for the remainder plus only a little more, rolling stock. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 30 10:41:28 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 10:08:05 2008. Just noes. Not ears or eyes? 8-) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 30 10:41:59 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 10:15:48 2008. I like that. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 30 10:42:47 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 10:17:49 2008. If the next Mayor is smart or even half-dumb, he'll ignore your idea. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 30 10:43:20 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 10:37:00 2008. If you were dictator, maybe. Not otherwise. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 30 11:02:16 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Fytton on Wed Jan 30 10:12:58 2008. why the hell didn't they think of it when planning the new Fulton St hub in the first place?I can think of a serious reason. The TA is limited in the type of property it can own. It must be transit related. Any property it owns that is not transit related reverts back to the City. What's a mixed use facility? Who owns it? Who controls it? The TA has not been known to want to share control with anybody. Thus, a single purpose structure that is entirely transit related. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 30 11:14:04 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 30 07:11:11 2008. 80-ish years ago they were smart enough not to demolish property for useless reasons. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 30 11:19:19 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 29 00:03:09 2008. I don't think the LIRR extension is at all useless; what's useless is that the lower level of the 63rd St Tunnel has sat unused for these decades.Sunk costs should never be considered. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jan 30 11:22:40 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 30 09:42:11 2008. The need for large convention centers is problematic in the Internet age. Plans for an enlarged Javits Center have been cut back and room for subsequent expansion will be eliminated.With this, I agree. Even the expanded Javits Center, most convention experts seem to have said, wouldn't have significantly improved NYC's chances of landing conventions. It's too bad that Spitzer waited a year to make his announcement. Rail access to Javits could have been accomplished with an LIRR shuttle to a station in the West Side yards. The cost would have been much less than $100 million, as compared to the $2 billion plus for the #7 extension. I would also be inclined to agree with you on this count as well IF rail access to the Javits Center alone were to my mind the primary goal of the extension. Now, on paper, the extension to Javits is, in fact, the primary stated purpose, but in reality, especially with the radically scaled back plans - I should add that I agree with the scaling back move, which should have come even sooner than now - the real goal of the Flushing Line extension should in fact be to afford rail access to the developing area over the extension route. Then the question becomes one of: is that territory the most prudent in which to stage development? This is where the claims get more cloudy, but by this point, with expenditures already made, it seems at least prudent to complete extension to the first of the two proposed stations. At earlier points in time, with more alternatives available, perhaps the Javits extension should have been given a lower priority; or not. By now, though, only the question of what should be done now has real import. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 30 11:28:02 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 29 06:39:09 2008. IAWTP |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 30 11:31:07 2008, in response to Elmer Fudd Alert!! (was re : NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budge...), posted by Charles G on Tue Jan 29 21:28:47 2008. I don't drink your beer, I drink Duff. Only hicks from Spittle County drink Fudd. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jan 30 11:34:14 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jan 30 02:29:35 2008. 
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 30 11:52:18 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 10:37:00 2008. The project is supposed to cost $2.4B for a 7 line extension to Javits.However, a simple shuttle from Penn Sta to the West Side yard would cost well below $100 million. That's my baseline for comparison. One problem with easy availability to funding is the propensity to use it regardless of lower cost alternatives. Military spending comes to mind. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 30 12:05:31 2008, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 30 07:30:57 2008. No beta males mess with those SCA's! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 30 12:08:04 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 10:37:00 2008. I'd rather see that funding shifted to the SAS. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Jan 30 12:08:33 2008, in response to Re: Elmer Fudd Alert!! (was re : NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budge...), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 30 11:31:07 2008. No one understands you.But I do. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 30 12:26:38 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 30 12:08:04 2008. It can't be. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 30 12:30:01 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 30 09:42:11 2008. The #7 line extension is funded by the City's borrowing power. That borrowing power could have been used for other projects.What do you mean? The way I understand it, the West Side will only develop if there is a subway line there. Once there is a subway line there and the development happens, then the city will get increased revenues. It's those increased revenues that are being used to pay back the loans used to build the subway line. So without building the subway line, the development doesn't happen, and then money isn't there is the future. So that's why the money has to be used on 7 extension. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 12:31:21 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 30 12:30:01 2008. So, light rail won't spur development and cost less money overall? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 12:33:54 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 30 12:30:01 2008. Or light rail connections from the West Side to midtown...and $2.4B could pay for light rail throughout Manhattan---and cost savings in requiring many fewer employees. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 30 12:37:24 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 10:06:58 2008. >M104 riders across 42 Street---take a transfer (even if paying with MetroCard), take the light rail, and then transfer to your final mode with MetroCard.LRT on Broadway would be cooler. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 30 12:42:07 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 30 11:14:04 2008. 80-ish years ago they were smart enough not to demolish property for useless reasons.Nevertheless, streets were widened and indeed entirely new streets were cut (e.g. the southward march of 7th and 6th Avenues over their respective subways). That this didn't happen to Nassau Street is slightly odd. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 30 12:46:07 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 30 12:30:01 2008. What do you mean? The way I understand it, the West Side will only develop if there is a subway line there. Once there is a subway line there and the development happens, then the city will get increased revenues. It's those increased revenues that are being used to pay back the loans used to build the subway line. So without building the subway line, the development doesn't happen, and then money isn't there is the future. So that's why the money has to be used on 7 extension.The problem is that you could substitute virtually any neighborhood for the West Side and pick a relevant line other than the 7, and that argument would make a similar amount of sense. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 30 12:49:03 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 12:31:21 2008. I don't know. I haven't done that analysis. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 30 12:49:38 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 30 12:33:54 2008. I haven't done that analysis... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 30 12:50:27 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 30 12:46:07 2008. I don't follow. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 30 12:58:03 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 30 12:50:27 2008. Here's an example then:The way I understand it, Alphabet City will only develop if there is a subway line there. Once there is a subway line there and the development happens, then the city will get increased revenues. It's those increased revenues that are being used to pay back the loans used to build the subway line. So without building the subway line, the development doesn't happen, and then money isn't there is the future. So that's why the money has to be used on V train panhandle. Here's another example: The way I understand it, the central Bronx will only develop if there is a subway line there. Once there is a subway line there and the development happens, then the city will get increased revenues. It's those increased revenues that are being used to pay back the loans used to build the subway line. So without building the subway line, the development doesn't happen, and then money isn't there is the future. So that's why the money has to be used for replacing the 3rd Avenue El. And here's one to annoy the NIMBYs: The way I understand it, Nassau County will only develop if there is a subway line there. Once there is a subway line there and the development happens, then the city will get increased revenues. It's those increased revenues that are being used to pay back the loans used to build the subway line. So without building the subway line, the development doesn't happen, and then money isn't there is the future. So that's why the money has to be used on extending the E train across the City Line. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 30 13:00:44 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 30 12:58:03 2008. Actually, the last of those examples was seriously dumb; please ignore it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 30 13:11:53 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 30 12:58:03 2008. Here's an example then:The way I understand it, Alphabet City will only develop if there is a subway line there. Once there is a subway line there and the development happens, then the city will get increased revenues. It's those increased revenues that are being used to pay back the loans used to build the subway line. So without building the subway line, the development doesn't happen, and then money isn't there is the future. So that's why the money has to be used on V train panhandle. Here's another example: The way I understand it, the central Bronx will only develop if there is a subway line there. Once there is a subway line there and the development happens, then the city will get increased revenues. It's those increased revenues that are being used to pay back the loans used to build the subway line. So without building the subway line, the development doesn't happen, and then money isn't there is the future. So that's why the money has to be used for replacing the 3rd Avenue El. But those areas already are developed. And, with a lot of housing. The west side is looking to be developed with business (office buildings). There's no way to add more cars to the area, so all these workers would need to arrive via mass transit. Sure they could walk from 8th Avenue, but will the developers accept that? All of the other areas of Manhattan with dense office development have one or more subway lines right nearby, not 2 to 4 long blocks away. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 30 14:32:42 2008, in response to Re: Elmer Fudd Alert!! (was re : NYT: MTA Projects May Be Curtailed Re: Budge...), posted by Fred G on Wed Jan 30 10:17:55 2008. It's Elmer season. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 30 14:41:19 2008, in response to Re: Budget Concerns Threaten To Derail Fulton Transit Hub, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 30 13:11:53 2008. The West Side isn't exactly untouched wilderness. Just about anywhere you put a subway, the land values will go up, and there'll be adjustments in land use. |
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