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Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations) |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Jul 28 22:33:40 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Jul 28 21:52:56 2007. How about building a new trunk line in Queens for SE Queens/JFK lines instead? |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Sat Jul 28 22:35:14 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jul 28 21:40:00 2007. No doubt, considering he lives only a few blocks from it.I guess he just didn't get around his own neighborhood too much. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 22:39:13 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Jul 28 21:10:57 2007. Agreed. Lots of people going to LI from Brooklyn always have the option of using Flatbush over the already congested Penn Station. On my first trip out to Montauk, there was an entire family who got on at Flatbush, most likely your Park Slope types. Now, if the line could be extended into Lower Manhattan, it's usefulness will increase exponentially. |
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Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 22:45:07 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jul 28 17:25:20 2007. Where exactly is Union Hall St? (not the station, I've already seen the remnants of it). |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Jul 28 22:46:57 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 22:45:07 2007. Union Hall St |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sat Jul 28 23:01:49 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 22:45:07 2007.  This map still shows the old BMT Jamaica el! |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 28 23:11:35 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 22:39:13 2007. I live near Flatbush but I basically use it only when I'm going to destinations along the Hempstead or Far Rockaway since on lines like the Ronkonkoma it's hard to get a seat at Jamaica. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 29 01:16:19 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 19:27:02 2007. It actually used to have a station building, just like Richmond Hill and Maspeth (not to be comfused with Haberman). Maspeth lost it's station house when the station closed, Richmond Hill had a traditional stationhouse with canopies and everything, and Glendale's was small, but it burned down in the early 1930's, and was replaced with this station shed. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 29 01:18:47 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 19:18:42 2007. ANd not to mention that even the 121st St station on the J line among th least used stations on the entire J line. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 29 01:20:30 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 19:17:34 2007. It was part of the whole grade elimination project that went through Richmond Hill. It was an absolute necessity. Can you imagine Jamaica Ave with a grade crossing? Not to mention, that it was necessary because of the trolleys that used to run on Jamaica Ave. When it was grade eliminated, the new station was high level. It would have been silly to have a low level platform on an elevated structure. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 29 01:21:01 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Jul 28 21:10:57 2007. What about Tall Tree (the neighborhood next to Flatbush)? 8-) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 29 03:44:46 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 14:45:08 2007. It's a good plan but I would run this service to the future Sunnyside Station via the Montauk Cutoff. From there, passengers would have great transfer options to the subway. These trains would layup in a rebuilt Yard A. It's importance would then be on par with the Atlantic Branch and local riders in Glendale, Middle Village, Maspeth, etc would have a quasi-subway service in their transit-starved neighborhoods. A couple of trains would still use LIC as a terminal. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 29 03:49:18 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 28 22:09:26 2007. They should have made a plaque in his honor. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 12:47:06 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 29 01:20:30 2007. That explains why the station looks like it does, but it doesn't explain why one was put there to begin with. Once the BMT reached 121st St, any need for a LIRR station here was removed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:03:06 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by WillD on Sat Jul 28 17:46:21 2007. I never said mine was the best. It is the cheapest, the one which requres the least effort on part of the LIRR. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:15:21 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 28 22:09:26 2007. I'm surprised all the now-closed stations on the line weren't designated as flag stops. Even those flag stops on the MNRR Hudson line (like Breakneck Ridge) probably see more service than all these stations combined. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jul 29 14:23:05 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:03:06 2007. Well if you're gonna go for a pipe dream why not dream big? Hell, that plan is too small, and I don't agree with Elia's sentiment that the Flatbush Ave branch should be a subway. It'd be better if the Flatbush ave line were extended via a deep bore tunnel running from ENY under the existing terminal to a flying junction with the Sunnyside/Lower Montauk tunnel just east of the Lower Manhattan station. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 14:39:42 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Jul 28 22:33:40 2007. Using the Montauk Line? I've thought about it, but the community opposition would be formidiable.Frankly, the Montauk should be restored and serve as a two track line and have the LIRR give up the outer two tracks of it's current Main line to the E/F trains. Then another two express services could run on the QB express giving 4 express services into Queens. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 17:47:36 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by WillD on Sun Jul 29 14:23:05 2007. I was deliberatley trying to be realistic. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 29 19:30:05 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 14:39:42 2007. and have the LIRR give up the outer two tracks of it's current Main line to the E/F trains.Have you gone insane? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 29 19:32:12 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 12:47:06 2007. The LIRR was still it's own private company back then, as well as the BMT. You are thinking in terms of a merged public company, and of course back then they were both private competing companies. Not to mention, in the 1920's, I am sure not only did they run a lot more passenger trains on that line, there must have been a lot more passengers using it too. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 30 10:31:44 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 29 19:32:12 2007. I'm pretty sure that ridership then was as small as it was at the end. With no connections to Manhattan, there is no real need for service to LIC via this line at this location. The LIRR removed MANY stations along Atlantic Ave when it was placed inside a tunnel because they were no longer needed, so I still don't understand why Richmond Hill got such an elaborate station. |
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Looking for historical maps (Abandoned LIRR stations) |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sun Aug 5 01:48:10 2007, in response to Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Wed Apr 4 23:59:29 2007. I'm trying to continue my investigation on old LIRR stations and wondering any sites that have historical NYC maps (circa 1920s-50s)? These could be useful in locating and tracing old ROWs and stations, which I'm hoping to visit more of soon. I recall some but can't remember. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 5 02:02:51 2007, in response to Looking for historical maps (Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by R42 4787 on Sun Aug 5 01:48:10 2007. http://www.lirrhistory.com/ |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sun Aug 5 02:16:03 2007, in response to Re: Looking for historical maps (Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 5 02:02:51 2007. I didn't mean that, I was looking for more extensive maps such as area and neighborhood/borough maps that showing detailed streets, railroad lines, stations and other features. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 5 02:31:28 2007, in response to Re: Looking for historical maps (Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by R42 4787 on Sun Aug 5 02:16:03 2007. Ok, sorry. |
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Posted by mellow one on Sun Aug 5 13:01:54 2007, in response to Re: Looking for historical maps (Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 5 02:31:28 2007. Try this sitehttp://www.davidrumsey.com/view.html |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sun Aug 5 16:11:49 2007, in response to Re: Looking for historical maps (Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by mellow one on Sun Aug 5 13:01:54 2007. Was just there, nothing from after 1918.Would actually love to see Kevin Walsh of Forgotten NY put up his archive collection of Hagstrom and other NYC area maps dating back to the late 19th century and early 1900s online for historical reference. However he only has some excerpts shown in context or reference to the online pages and texts. I suspect copyright issues are preventing him from doing this, but nearly all material published in the US prior to 1922 is now public domain. |
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Posted by mellow one on Sun Aug 5 18:05:08 2007, in response to Re: Looking for historical maps (Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by R42 4787 on Sun Aug 5 16:11:49 2007. Did you search by town name? |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sun Aug 5 19:30:46 2007, in response to Re: Looking for historical maps (Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by mellow one on Sun Aug 5 18:05:08 2007. Browsed the entire NY State collection, not much other than a 1918 NYC map. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sun Aug 5 19:37:19 2007, in response to Re: Looking for historical maps (Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by mellow one on Sun Aug 5 13:01:54 2007. Also NYPL. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sun Aug 5 19:41:06 2007, in response to Re: Looking for historical maps (Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Rail Blue on Sun Aug 5 19:37:19 2007. Incidentally, the 1909 maps of Queens there are amazingly detailed. Probably a bit early for the OP's purposes, but just about the nearest thing to an historical LIRR track map. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Aug 5 20:18:48 2007, in response to Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Wed Apr 4 23:59:29 2007. Good find! |
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Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations) |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Aug 6 16:38:56 2007, in response to Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by R42 4787 on Fri Jul 27 19:53:26 2007. Someone must of had some political pull at the time this station was built as opposed to the other stations WEST of it. All the stations WEST of it like Glendale, Fresh Pond and Penny Bridge all look like "a hole in the wall." Richmond Hill from the pictures looks a real train station. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Aug 6 16:44:48 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 28 14:30:22 2007. It not only lack of ridership, but also how to upgrade the station to comply with ADA. Why send all the money to comply with the ADA when only a handful of people would use the station. That was their thinking. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Mon Aug 6 16:58:52 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Apr 6 21:12:41 2007. Nice! Well should the congestion pricing thing pass, I would hope they put up those platforms there again. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Aug 6 18:38:55 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 15:20:06 2007. "I'm just curious as to why people from LI would want to go to LIC to begin with."I have a client just a short walk from the Hunterspoint Avenue station. The parking there is horrible-- Fresh Direct trucks clog the streets until early afternoon. The train ride is a cinch by comparison. One reason trains go there is simply so they have a place to turn, as capacity at Penn Station is limited. Even if no passengers actually wanted to go to LIC, some of the trains would have to turn there. ESA will alleviate that problem somewhat, although the LIC yard will still be there and useful for turning. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Aug 6 22:33:22 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 5 15:40:24 2007. 
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Aug 7 01:05:26 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Aug 6 18:38:55 2007. The existance of an intact working "secondary" rail r.o.w. within the five boroughs is a mad stroke of luck for the city's future. One way or another it will be used more intensively at some point. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Aug 7 01:14:49 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:15:21 2007. I've never seen anyone use Breakneck Ridge (which BTW seems like a very unsafe platform), but I have seen a couple of people use Manitou. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Aug 7 01:16:38 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Aug 6 16:44:48 2007. I see, thanks, But why was it necessary for it to be ADA accessible? Maybe the MTA could've did what NJT did to Avenel. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Aug 7 01:34:33 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jul 28 17:25:20 2007. Around 1976 I had jury duty in Brooklyn Federal Court. I was living out in Islip and also going to Suburban Tech in Hempstead. I had always seen the very limited Union Hall service listed on the Hempstead Branch timetables so one day I decided to go out to Jamaica to catch the Hempstead train from there. Think I got off the J at Sutphin and walked. That whole stretch of rail from Jamaica to Floral Park has always interested me, including the abandoned Hillside and Bellaire stops, and Union Hall seemed to be a good example. Walking amongst the old Jamaica Avenue store buildings like Gertz down to the elevated station you could get a good feel of what was really part of the typical shopping-journey-to-Jamaica-from Long Island commuter towns experience during Jamaica's heyday when "going into Jamaica" really meant something. I had some flashbacks from my own yout when mom would take us into Jamaica and the place was swarming with shoppers and stores and movies. Although I do miss being able to see the Jamaica Avenue elevated line as the trains ease into Jamaica past the Armory building.But I'm damn glad I got there that time. I had the platform to myself, and it was a clear cold night. You could see Jamaica Station in the distance. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Tue Aug 7 03:11:05 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by ntrainride on Tue Aug 7 01:34:33 2007. I plan on visiting Union Hall, Hillside and Bellaire stations later this month, when I have the time. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 7 07:17:46 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Aug 6 16:38:56 2007. No, the grade elimination only happened aroun Richmond Hill, not the other stations. It was a necessary project to grade eliminate that location, can you imagine grade crossings over there? Remember, while the line still has a lot of freight trains today, back in the 1920's, it was constant frieght. Can you imagine a grade crossing closing Jamaica Ave and Hillside every time a freight train went by? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Aug 7 09:32:31 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 7 07:17:46 2007. That would be a hell of a mess! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 7 11:12:04 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 7 07:17:46 2007. Grade crossings lasted on Atlantic Ave. into the 1930's, and that line saw even more service that Montauk. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 7 11:13:06 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Aug 6 16:38:56 2007. Well, the line was on an embankment, but that alone doesn't explain the high platform. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 7 11:17:10 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by RonInBayside on Tue Aug 7 09:32:31 2007. There's no way trolly lines could cross that railroad in Richmond Hill, which is why I think the grade was seperated east of Forest Park. If the line actually carried lots of passangers, it would have been grade seperated entirely (like the main line). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 7 13:14:25 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 7 11:12:04 2007. Of course, but you hit the key....roads that had trolley lines. |
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NEXT STOP...Penny Bridge |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Tue Aug 7 22:22:52 2007, in response to Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Wed Apr 4 23:59:29 2007. Next stop: Photos and notes coming tommorow! |
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