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Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 24 22:38:43 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 24 15:24:15 2006. Think of it as a station complex like let's say Myrtle-Wyckoff. Wyckoff being the upper, outdoor station, and the Myrtle station being the underground Woodhaven photo in the first photo. The underground one was on the Brooklyn line (between East New York station and Jamaica), the upper level one is the outdoor one you drive under when on Atlantic Ave, that was on the Rockaway line.The outside upper one was abandoned in 1962 when the LIRR closed the whole line. The underground one puttered on another 15 years to 1977 when it was abandoned. It's still there underground, but is usually quite hard to see on passing Brooklyn trains, as the trains speed through it so fast. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Jan 24 22:52:43 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Jan 23 12:40:51 2006. Uh, during its "final years" there might have been two trains a day stopping there. Not much overtime for a cop. |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Tue Jan 24 23:10:48 2006, in response to LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by MCI D4000 81994 on Sun Jan 22 22:11:25 2006. BTW, if you're in the head car of a Flatbush-Jamaica bound LIRR train w/o a transverse cab, you might be able to see a partiall turn-out (tunnel bell-mouth) about l,000 feet before the train comes out onto the elevated structure on Atlantic Avenue. The partiall turn-out was a planned connection to the original Brighton Beach line (currently, the Franklin Avenue Shuttle), during the early stages of the Atlantic Avenue Improvement (aka Brooklyn Grade-Crossing Elimination Project). There is a notation about it on the hand-drawn maps of noted LIRR historian, Robert Emery. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 24 23:14:43 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by BMT Guy on Tue Jan 24 23:10:48 2006. Interesting. Would that have connected to the LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch though instead of the Brighton? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Jan 24 23:17:54 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 12:48:44 2006. One day, East New York will be known as a desirable place to live. Not that it doesn't deserve respect now. But people with money have to go somewhere. Long range, the transportation and location benefits will be "discovered" again. It sure the hell is a rail haven, with a two track elevated crossing over a three track elevated, a four track subway and a two track high speed street level/"tunnel" railroad line. Thas some powerful mojo.I do like the LIRR station there. It's so...eclectic. It surely is well preserved, and the street level aspect to it is unique. Interesting that from a land-locked core Brooklyn neighborhood you can step right onto the platform from the sidewalk, and board a train to the more relaxed precincts further out on the Island. Perfect scenario for a train ride; from the dense streets and elevated tracks and industrial landscape to houses and yards and trees and fields. And vice versa. (Yeah, I know, this experience is duplicated all over the metro area. Well, we talking about Brooklyn here, so...) |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Tue Jan 24 23:18:02 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 24 23:14:43 2006. No, because the Manhattan Beach branch started at E. 17th Street and Avenue I, branching off of the Bay Ridge Line. (The Bay Ridge runs east-west along at approximately Avenue I throughout most of Brooklyn). |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Tue Jan 24 23:25:04 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by ntrainride on Tue Jan 24 23:17:54 2006. [Long range, the transportation and location benefits will be "discovered" again. It sure the hell is a rail haven, with a two track elevated crossing over a three track elevated, a four track subway and a two track high speed street level/"tunnel" railroad line. Thas some powerful mojo.]Broadway Junction is one location that I always recommend to the out-of-town railfan. It should be a buff's "Mecca" as it has more trains running at different levels and the trackage setups than any other location in the system. It almost resembles one of those intertwining interstate highway junctions. One of my long-range HO-scale plans to to model a portion of the Broadway Junction area as a diorama....I would have an elevated section representing the Canarsie line; a cut beneath it represeinting the Bay Ridge frieght line; and finally the Atlantic branch running almost at street grade about the freight line, crossing it at a right angle....one day...just gotta find the time to do it... |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 25 10:10:12 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 24 22:38:43 2006. Woodhaven underground would also be difficult to see because it's pitch black. You can see something of a station there. But not see any details. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 25 10:17:40 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by BMT Guy on Tue Jan 24 23:10:48 2006. I thought the partial turn-out (tunnel bell-mouth) to the original Brighton Beach line (Franklin Shuttle) dated back to when the Atlantic Line was running on street level.Maybe you're thinking of the turn-out from Atlantic Avenue to the Rockaway Beach line starting about 2-3 blocks before Woodhaven Station. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 25 11:06:46 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 25 10:10:12 2006. The most I have ever seen of Woodhaven on a passing train (and I've been through there more times than I can count) is that "arch" for a split second that you can see over the stairway in the old photo. |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Jan 25 11:26:49 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 25 10:17:40 2006. As a follow-up to this turnout, I find it interesting to view the sattelite photos of that area. You can CLEARLY see the ROW curving out from Atlantic to the present NYCTA Rockaway line going south. It would be interesting to hike in that area and see what of the tunnel portal is left. Anybody do that? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 25 12:02:31 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by BMT Guy on Tue Jan 24 23:10:48 2006. Yep, I've seen it. I think there's a steel ladder leading up from the bellmouth floor to a manhole cover at street level. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Jan 25 12:02:38 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 25 10:17:40 2006. The Atlantic Ave. line was connected to the Brighton line (when both were at street level) from 1878 to 1884. The LIRR stopped running its trains along the Brighton line in 1880 since it was a direct competitor to the Manhattan Beach line which the LIRR had then acquired. Brighton trains continued running from the Atlantic Ave. line until 1884, when the original agreement expired.When the Altantic Ave. line was placed underground in 1903, the bellmouth was created in case there was ever a need to connect the two lines again. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 25 12:44:20 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Jan 25 12:02:38 2006. OK, there is a turn-off, (bellmouth) from the LIRR to the Franklin Shuttle which is unlikely to be used at this time.I thought someone had it confused with the turn-off at Woodhaven Junction. I think I understand it now. |
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Posted by grimace1169 on Wed Jan 25 12:51:51 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Jan 25 11:26:49 2006. Nothing is left. Most of the area has been taken over by the Logan Bus Comp. The portal area has been filled in up to street level. Not to mention that the area is all fenced in. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 25 12:55:07 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by grimace1169 on Wed Jan 25 12:51:51 2006. Somebody would have to go over there and take a look at the portal area to see if it was filled in or not. Afterwards someone can have a taco at Taco Bell. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 25 13:14:00 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 25 12:55:07 2006. He just said it was filled in. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 25 13:21:58 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 25 13:14:00 2006. I'd still like to see it for myself.It'll give me an excuse to be at Taco Bell. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 25 13:27:46 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 25 13:21:58 2006. Oh, so you're that "somebody." Good luck. |
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Here's that Emery map |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Jan 25 18:01:58 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by BMT Guy on Tue Jan 24 23:10:48 2006. Click on the picture: If anyone's interested, I've started putting more of the Emery maps on my website. Here are some of the Main Line from Winfield to Whitepot Junction - it shows when the line was 6 tracks wide at this time, when the Rockaway branch was still operating. Also shown are the former Rego Park, Grand St. and Winfield stations. Winfield Grand St. LIE Crossing Whitepot By the way, there are a total of 371 of these maps (at least that's how many I have, and I'm missing a few) - most of them run from one milepost to the next. It amazes me of the amount of time and research it must have taken Mr. Emery to draw these maps! |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 25 18:48:36 2006, in response to Here's that Emery map, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Jan 25 18:01:58 2006. If there is a book of LIRR maps drawn my Emery, where could I find it? |
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Re: Here's that Emery map |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Jan 25 19:07:41 2006, in response to Re: Here's that Emery map, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 25 18:48:36 2006. HERE |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Jan 25 21:29:40 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by grimace1169 on Wed Jan 25 12:51:51 2006. I think all you can see now is the top of the concrete wall at the tunnel portal. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 25 21:33:56 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by VictorM on Wed Jan 25 21:29:40 2006. I think the ramp is still there.At the bottom is a heavy fence seperating the school bus yard from the ROW. But there is a wall around the ramp preventing an easy look. |
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Posted by Tunnel Rat on Thu Jan 26 00:05:16 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 25 21:33:56 2006. The ramp was mostly filled in over 30 years ago.As luck would have it,a childhood friend of mine from south jamaica,a nice italian boy with a dump truck took part in the dastardly deed.to this very day I have not forgiven him! |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Jan 26 00:27:04 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Tunnel Rat on Thu Jan 26 00:05:16 2006. The last time I saw the ramp was about 10 years ago.Maybe we need a mini railfan trip over there. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jan 26 05:49:04 2006, in response to Re: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by BMT Guy on Tue Jan 24 23:25:04 2006. Yeah man. That, I would love to see. Would look real cool...especially if you could run a vidcam-equipped loco on it, to get those cab ride views. |
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Posted by grimace1169 on Thu Jan 26 08:08:42 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by VictorM on Wed Jan 25 21:29:40 2006. Yes, that's about it. If you didn't know what was there before, it would just be another wall. It wraps around the former portal area. |
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Posted by Tunnel Rat on Thu Jan 26 08:39:54 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Jan 26 00:27:04 2006. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.AYE. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jan 26 11:13:52 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Tunnel Rat on Thu Jan 26 08:39:54 2006. AYE |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Jan 26 11:24:06 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jan 26 11:13:52 2006. Whoever comes, don't forget to bring cameras. |
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Posted by grimace1169 on Thu Jan 26 12:17:03 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Jan 26 11:24:06 2006. If you take a picture from this spot today you will be staring right at a fence. If there is a hole in the fence you will be able to see a yellow school van. Interesting how the LIRR went to the trouble of taking out one of the tracks towards the end. This was taken shortly before the connection was taken OOS and is from Art Huneke's site.
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Jan 26 12:41:14 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by grimace1169 on Thu Jan 26 12:17:03 2006. I'd guess before the end came service was so light it could be handled by single track operarion. Was the wall shown on the right hand side the same wall they have now? |
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Posted by grimace1169 on Thu Jan 26 12:52:17 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Jan 26 12:41:14 2006. To the best of my knowledge, it is the same wall although it does not look like that on the sidewalk side. It has a stone block look to it and has been painted over through the years because of graffiti. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jan 26 13:52:28 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by grimace1169 on Thu Jan 26 12:17:03 2006. Amazing how things can change so much |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Jan 26 13:57:08 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jan 26 13:52:28 2006. Definately. The area has built up a bit in the 44 years since that pic was taken. |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Jan 26 16:05:38 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Jan 26 00:27:04 2006. Take a look at maps.google.com. Recently the last two levels of zoom-in have been GREATLY ENHANCED. In the final level, you can read signs - if they are facing properly! It sure looks like there is "some kind" of portal remaining. I aggree a trip - with cam - is in order. |
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Posted by Dan on Thu Jan 26 16:43:08 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Jan 26 16:05:38 2006. The connection from the Atlantic to the Bay Ridge division is long gone. Anyone here know what year it was removed? It's shown on my 1949 Hagstrom, but I'm sure it was removed way before then. |
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Re: Here's that Emery map |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Jan 26 16:56:17 2006, in response to Re: Here's that Emery map, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Jan 25 19:07:41 2006. When I was a teenager growing up on LI (Farmingdale) the special collections room at SUNY Stony Brook Library was my Meca! The Emery collection is surperb.Bob, What became of Ron Ziel? He gave some lectures around that time - libraries, schools, etc. I bought his book.... Frank |
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Posted by grimace1169 on Fri Jan 27 00:46:54 2006, in response to Re:: LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Jan 26 16:05:38 2006. I just took a look myself. You can see all the buses in the lot. What you are probably seeing which is very pronounced in the image is the wall that once surrounded the portal. The bus company is supposed to be moving to a new location soon so who knows what is in store for the former connection. It would be nice to get some shots within the area without all those buses. |
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Posted by grimace1169 on Fri Jan 27 00:53:49 2006, in response to Here's that Emery map, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Jan 25 18:01:58 2006. Hi. Do you have Woodhaven Junction or Ozone Park station area to share with us? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 27 08:47:40 2006, in response to Re: Here's that Emery map, posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Jan 26 16:56:17 2006. My aunt and uncle lived in Farmingdale (Bethpage Apartments) in 1968-69. My uncle worked at Grummann and was involved in the design of the LM life support systems during the Apollo space missions.I found a slide of my uncle posing at the LIRR Farmingdale station with an Odd Couple movie poster in the background. |
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Re: Here's that Emery map |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Jan 27 21:03:15 2006, in response to Re: Here's that Emery map, posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Jan 26 16:56:17 2006. From what I heard, Ron Ziel moved to the Southwest. |
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Was there a connection between Flatbush Avenue Live and Ozone Park line? |
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Posted by tramrunner on Fri Jan 27 23:11:49 2006, in response to LIRR Abandoned Station between ENY and Jamaica?, posted by MCI D4000 81994 on Sun Jan 22 22:11:25 2006. I've rode LIRR Flatbush line on previous thursday, I guess the tunnel is too dark to see something. It the former station seen as clear as MetroNorth 59th Street in Park avenue tunnel? |
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Re: Was there a connection between Flatbush Avenue Live and Ozone Park line? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Jan 27 23:35:02 2006, in response to Was there a connection between Flatbush Avenue Live and Ozone Park line?, posted by tramrunner on Fri Jan 27 23:11:49 2006. If you mean Woodhaven,You will detect no tunnel wall as you're passing thru the station. You'll notice an empty space. But there is no lighting on the platform to notice anything. 59 Street on Metro North is just a short platform with not much more than a bright emergency light. |
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Re: Was there a connection between Flatbush Avenue Live and Ozone Park line? |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jan 28 01:57:12 2006, in response to Was there a connection between Flatbush Avenue Live and Ozone Park line?, posted by tramrunner on Fri Jan 27 23:11:49 2006. Are you talking about Woodhaven Station or the connection? Yes, there was a connection to the Rockaways there, both before and after the tunnel was built. |
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Re: Was there a connection between Flatbush Avenue Live and Ozone Park line? |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jan 28 01:57:49 2006, in response to Re: Was there a connection between Flatbush Avenue Live and Ozone Park line?, posted by SLRT on Sat Jan 28 01:57:12 2006. That is, a track connection. |
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Re: Was there a connection between Flatbush Avenue Live and Ozone Park line? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 29 01:59:26 2006, in response to Re: Was there a connection between Flatbush Avenue Live and Ozone Park line?, posted by daDouce Man on Fri Jan 27 23:35:02 2006. 59 Street on Metro North is just a short platform with not much more than a bright emergency light.59 St is lit up pretty well. |
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