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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 14 21:10:14 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 07:05:32 2017. The issue is not station slots, but what slots. Empire et al come in on a single track that reaches a limited number of switches. If those switches are out it can not be rerouted through a different switch.So Occasional station swap may occur. But that will not help NJT if the slip switches are out. Better would to be to terminate at Harriman and let Meatball Norsk bring them home. ROAR |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 21:14:13 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 14 21:10:14 2017. Nice of you to use Selkirk's terminology. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun May 14 22:22:57 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 13 22:59:19 2017. ![](http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/18605835817458354/filePointer/18746737988040756/fodoid/18746737988040751/imageType/LARGE/inlineImage/true/rogscan005.jpg")
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 14 22:26:07 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun May 14 19:42:25 2017. Why kill PM diesel service from Hunters Point? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun May 14 22:32:05 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 21:14:13 2017. I miss that guy. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 22:57:57 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 14 22:32:05 2017. me too. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun May 14 23:50:00 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 14 22:32:05 2017. We all doJimmymc25 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon May 15 00:00:03 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 14 22:32:05 2017. So do I. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon May 15 00:00:34 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 14 22:32:05 2017. So do I. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon May 15 01:38:40 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Sun May 14 13:22:05 2017. Agree on the Cardinal. Just stick it onto the back of something else leaving around that time, and give it a nice long track in NYP. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Mon May 15 01:42:16 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 14 22:32:05 2017. Same. A character all around. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon May 15 10:49:38 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon May 15 01:38:40 2017. How many of these trains being discussed are in rush hour? There probably doesn't need to be a cutback in non-rush hour trains. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon May 15 10:58:36 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by AlM on Mon May 15 10:49:38 2017. only trains I heard of is last 3 empire trains of day, so well after rush hour. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon May 15 15:17:03 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 21:14:13 2017. +1 |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon May 15 16:33:07 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 14 22:32:05 2017. +1000. It hurts to revisit old threads and see his posts. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon May 15 16:42:58 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 14 22:32:05 2017. Me too.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Mon May 15 17:53:36 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 14 22:32:05 2017. +1,000,000 |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon May 15 18:00:30 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 14 22:32:05 2017. Me too :(. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 15 18:58:33 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun May 14 19:42:25 2017. Why snub Hunterpoint ?Send all the Port Jeff and South Shore trains there. Any Albany train that is in an isolated cycle - send to GCT. Truncate the Keystones to Trenton. Cut the Cardinal back to DC. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon May 15 19:08:38 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Mon May 15 18:58:33 2017. Still wondering you never got a railroad job, just like turtle, all idea's but no input. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 15 19:14:16 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon May 15 19:08:38 2017. So those of us who don't work for the RR don't have a right to express an opinion, just you ? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon May 15 19:41:10 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon May 15 19:08:38 2017. Excuse me. As citizen taxpayers and riders of these socialist transit systems, it is our right to have and express opinions about the services we use and pay for. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon May 15 19:47:50 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon May 15 19:08:38 2017. Some of us attempted to apply for RR work. The receptionist at Illinois Central (I was in Chicago back then) said bluntly--we don't take applications from anyone needing eyeglasses. And, the assumption that only those actually employed in train service are fit to think about how to respond to challenges is bs. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon May 15 20:01:45 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 01:45:08 2017. Personally, I liked the coaches and the large windows, perfect for Hudson service. I think it's a pity the coaches weren't worth refurbishing. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 15 20:04:54 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by 3-9 on Mon May 15 20:01:45 2017. The bathrooms were out in the vestibules. It would have been difficult to retrofit into loco-hauled coaches compatible with Amfleet.They were made of LAHTS steel and are now 40 years old. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 15 20:10:38 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 14 22:32:05 2017. When he died, a part of this place died too :( |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon May 15 20:11:46 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Mon May 15 20:04:54 2017. So what if the bathrooms were in the vestibules? As long as I'm not kept from them! And the extra set of doors provide an extra "screen". :-)Are you sure they would have been difficult to retrofit? I recall that, early in the Turboliners' careers, that a Turboliner locomotive was tasked with pulling the Lake Shore Limited at least once. There was a picture of it in a book of early Amtrak photos (title was something about 1978-1979, I was a total idiot for not splurging and buying a copy at the time). |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon May 15 20:12:10 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by 3-9 on Mon May 15 20:01:45 2017. Pullman-Standard understood large windows. one doesn't need a dysfunctional propulsion system.http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3881154 built to enjoy the Hudson |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon May 15 20:15:01 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon May 15 20:12:10 2017. Those large windows seem like an unwanted luxury now. :-( But to be fair, I have no problems with the Amfleet window I'm sitting next to, just a pain to look through the other windows. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon May 15 21:32:12 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by 3-9 on Mon May 15 20:11:46 2017. I'll guess that the bathrooms needed to be made ADA-compliant. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon May 15 21:34:05 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by 3-9 on Mon May 15 20:15:01 2017. Someone should design a locomotive with a cloaking system so that it can't be seen from the first passenger car. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon May 15 21:58:19 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Mtatransit on Sun May 14 11:34:07 2017. How much does Amtrak pay Metro North for the use of the New Haven Line? Does Amtrak pay Metro North a bonus for dispatching Amtrak trains on time?According to DOT, Amtrak paid Metro North $11,828,895 for “electric propulsion usage and track maintenance, adjusted for an incentive or penalties for on-time performance” for the 2013 calendar year. DOT breaks down these payments as follows. 1. Electric propulsion: $10,889,614. 2. Track maintenance: $1,720,745. 3. Dispatching Incentives/Penalties: Amtrak pays Metro North a bonus for dispatching its trains on time. Metro North pays Amtrak a penalty when it fails to do so. In 2013, Amtrak received $879,771 more in penalty payments from Metro North than it paid to Metro North in bonuses. 4. Other: $98,307. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon May 15 22:17:38 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 14 22:32:05 2017. As do I. :( |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 15 23:10:53 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by R30A on Mon May 15 21:58:19 2017. As an aside, Years ago, Amtrak used to pay Metro North extra $$$ to have MN ticket agents (on line stations) sell Amtrak tickets. But ticket agents were not paid anything extra for the extra duties. For example, A ticket seller in Poughkeepsie which sold MN & Amtrak tickets was paid the same as a ticket seller in GCT who sold just MN tickets. For years, MN was screwing the ticket sellers big time on that one.It was kept real quiet at the time that Amtrak was re-embersing Metro North for selling Amtrak tickets. The "union" dropped the ball letting MN get away with that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 16 02:06:51 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by 3-9 on Mon May 15 20:15:01 2017. Unwanted by whom, though? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 16 02:53:53 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 15 23:10:53 2017. And if Amtrak ticket fares skyrocketed by the union demanding more dough for the ticket agents, the station agents would have lost their jobs anyway. Two-time loss. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 16 03:16:40 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Mon May 15 18:58:33 2017. Why snub Hunterpoint ?Send all the Port Jeff and South Shore trains there. Reclaim and electrify the Lower Montauk line. Build several platforms at Long Island City. Establish a ferry connection to Manhattan. You now have an extra western terminal that can greatly reduce the load on Penn Station— and which can probably be built well before ESA is finished. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 16 03:16:45 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 14 21:14:13 2017. I use Selkirk's terminology IRL. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 16 07:37:38 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Nilet on Tue May 16 03:16:40 2017. Establish a ferry connection to Manhattan.The problem is that a ferry doesn't really get you anywhere that most people want to go. It's a time consuming trip from an East River ferry terminal to Midtown. Only the downtown ferry terminals are near offices. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue May 16 09:22:31 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by 3-9 on Mon May 15 20:11:46 2017. Not sure if this is it, but thr Turboliner is give a tow to some non-turboliner set.The unique White/Blue Stripe Turbo that helped demoed the X2000 & ICE! 
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 16 15:46:14 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 15 23:10:53 2017. Why should ticket agents gat paid any extra for selling Amtrak tickets in addition to M/N tickets? Is the issuing of an Amtrak ticket that much more difficult than an M/N ticket especially with computers these days? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue May 16 16:23:22 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Avid Reader on Tue May 16 09:22:31 2017. not the German ICE it was towed by the Siemens F69 AC locomotives.the turbo power cars were used to tow X2000 around country and used for Talgo demonstration. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue May 16 16:23:36 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Avid Reader on Tue May 16 09:22:31 2017. not the German ICE it was towed by the Siemens F69 AC locomotives.the turbo power cars were used to tow X2000 around country and used for Talgo demonstration. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue May 16 16:25:26 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue May 16 16:23:22 2017. http://www.railpictures.net/photo/261799/ |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 16 17:32:33 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by 3-9 on Mon May 15 20:11:46 2017. The power units were back to back. I am not sure about the coupler heights on the insides of the units. Somebody once told me they were lower than AAR standard. I don't know if it is so or not. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue May 16 19:53:08 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Joe V on Tue May 16 17:32:33 2017. The picture I remember had a single Turboliner at the head. Then again, it has been around 35 years... |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 16 20:06:25 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by 3-9 on Tue May 16 19:53:08 2017. One power unit could not handle such a consist. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 16 22:51:17 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by randyo on Tue May 16 15:46:14 2017. It means more tickets to sell. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 16 23:17:52 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by randyo on Tue May 16 15:46:14 2017. In those days (early 90's) many Amtrak tickets were much more complicated than churning out MN one ways or monthlys. It was computerized but on a primitive level.One Example: one day a nice lady comes to my window in Poughkeepsie & says, "I was on last nights 49 to Chicago & my husband, who I was travelling with was taken off with chest pains. He was checked out & found that it was just severe indegestion. I need my reservation changed & upgraded for tomorrow nights train, giving me a larger roomette...and I'm double parked. Now it happens to be commutation time & I'm by myself & the line is backing up to under Rt 9. I politely told her that you should go to the nearest pay phone & call 1-800-USA RAIL, get a reservation number, come back & I will get you whatever you want. She leaves in a huff, screaming how uncooperative I was & files a formal complaint. I got a formal repremand for that. What I did was a No-No. No blowing off customers no matter what. Truth be told, there weren't many situations like that, but dealing with reservations, there were enough, and when you're by yourself, there all complicated. I hope that answers your question |
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Posted by sloth on Wed May 17 00:19:54 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak upstate trains to be rerouted to Grand Central Terminal?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 16 02:53:53 2017. The amount of compensation wouldn't have been much more than night differential, I'm sure. More money for more work, though, that's a far out concept. |
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