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Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Sep 8 10:06:23 2012, in response to Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 09:49:57 2012. By the time he got to Mississippi that must have been one tired squirrel. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 10:08:04 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by SLRT on Sat Sep 8 10:06:23 2012. But, he had some set of nuts! |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Sep 8 10:17:49 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by SLRT on Sat Sep 8 10:06:23 2012. by the time he got to mississippi he was one "eatin`" squirrel! UMMMMMMMMMMMM,tastes just like chicken. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 8 14:15:58 2012, in response to Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 09:49:57 2012. the version I remember was NY-Chicago and sometimes a few hundred feet walking between lines. Certainly could get from Milw to Chgo, and thence to South Bend (2 of Insull's interurbans North Shore, South Shore) a few blocks from Adams Wabash to Van Buren(IC) for the connection.The Electric Interurban Railways in America by George Hilton and John Due, Stanford U P 1964 gives cursory maps which indicate that it would be a circuitous route fromChicago to NYC but doable. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 14:32:14 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 8 14:15:58 2012. I found a photo of an Illinois Central Fan trip on South Shore South Bend, on Dave's electric.....I had revenue service in mind. I think Pacific Electric used or allowed Trolley service on its street running. No positive though. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 14:46:29 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 8 14:15:58 2012. I'll have to check my small library to see if I have it. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 8 15:04:57 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 14:32:14 2012. my point was that transfering from the CNS&M to CSS&SB involved a short walk from Adams/Wabash, or actually if SB/EB from State/Van Buren to the IC Station @ VanBuren/Michigan where South Shore trains operated as tenants of IC.As to IC equipment on CSS&SB, fan trips, Notre Dame Football specials, whatever exceeded available equipment could be arranged. It was however somewhat inconvenient because other than Gary all South Shore stations were low platform in the old days. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 15:34:03 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 8 15:04:57 2012. You are so correct.I had to go back and pull up the photos of the I.C. MU's. They show High Level only doors! That is surprising for cars that old. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 16:30:49 2012, in response to Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 09:49:57 2012. When the North Shore, Chicago, Milwaukee began, did it use the Chicago Loop from day one?Or did it design its cars so it could use the loop? Was the Loop its terminal, but not a layup? Just in to Chicago, around the Loop and Out? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 8 16:41:39 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 15:34:03 2012. no, there are traps for "emergency" low platform situations at one end of the trailers only. Remember they were built for a system with high platforms at all stations. The 1926 IC electrification and raised embankment/grade separation project was a major upgrade. FWIW, I was back there a week ago, joyriding the South Chicago Branch (my old neighborhood) Even w/ slower trains it is still a great system though I wish they ran more often in base day. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 8 16:52:23 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 16:30:49 2012. long complicated history. originally connected to the Chicago & Evanston branch of the Milwaukee Rd. That line was sold to the L from a connection @ Wilson Ave north to Evanston. When the L was extended via the embankment, CNS&M was through routed to the Loop w/ a terminal @ Roosevelt Rd. Concurrently Insull (who owned the L NS, SS, CA%E) built the Skokie Valley Route which gave NS a faster run. Briefly NS trains operated to Dorchester on the Jackson Park Branch.By the time I was exploring the L the original "Shore Line Route" was dying--I never rode it. There are good histories of all of this in the two Central Electric Railfan Assn Bulletins. More recently the Shoreline Historical Assn has done a monograph on the C&E. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Sep 8 16:53:35 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 16:30:49 2012. The North Shore was the Chicago, Milwaukee and North Shore Railroad. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 17:08:30 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Sep 8 16:53:35 2012. Thanks for the correction, I wouldn't want to mislead folks into thinking there were several systems with similar names. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 8 17:12:53 2012, in response to Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 09:49:57 2012. Well I did read somewhere that the PRR once ran a special seasonal train from the Hamptons to Pittsburgh in the 1920's. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 8 17:16:22 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 8 17:12:53 2012. The PRR was good for their through sleeper service from LI to points west too. Amtrak? Good luck. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 8 17:19:34 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 8 17:16:22 2012. Not sure there's a market for Hamptons service outside NYC. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 8 17:48:05 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Sep 8 16:53:35 2012. actually Chicago North Shore & Milwaukee |
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Posted by Jon Bell on Sat Sep 8 18:14:59 2012, in response to Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 09:49:57 2012. It was never possible to go from the Northeast (NYC or Boston) to the Midwest via interurban. The smallest gap was between Johnstown and Little Falls, NY. The best you could do was Little Falls, NY to (I think) Elkhart Lake, WI. |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Sat Sep 8 18:53:51 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 16:30:49 2012. The North Shore began operation over the "L" into central Chicago in 1919. At most times, the southern terminal was Roosevelt Road, two stops south of the Loop; but for a few years in the 1920's and early 1930's certain Chicago-Milwaukee name trains operated through to Dorchester on the Jackson Park Branch, adjacent to the South Shore's 63rd Street stop. This was a couple of blocks shorter than any CNS&M-CSS&SB connection in or near the Loop.It was never possible to ride through from Chicago to New York or Boston by traction; there was a gap in upstate New York. About the longest relatively direct journey possible by interurbans, possibly with a few short walking transfers or use of city systems, would have been from Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin, on Wisconsin Power & Light, to Oneonta, New York, on the Southern New York. (I'm going by memory here. About thirty years ago I published an article in The Timetable Collector giving the specifics of such a journey, but my copy of that issue is currently about 2500 miles away.) Alan Follett Hercules, CA. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Sep 8 19:17:14 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Alan Follett on Sat Sep 8 18:53:51 2012. I believe there was a gap between Baltimore and Wilmington in interurban and streetcar days. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 8 21:46:50 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Jon Bell on Sat Sep 8 18:14:59 2012. That's not bad.Today you could theoretically get from New London, CT to Newark, DE via commuter rail....if you're prepared to walk from Grand Central to NYP. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Sep 8 23:51:46 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 8 21:46:50 2012. Still could be all rail if you allow subways: MNCR--> --> / / -->NJ Transit-->SEPTAAnd if they ever fill in that gap between Newark and somewhere in MD, New London to somewhere in VA: MNCR--> -->//-->NJ Transit-->SEPTA-->MARC-->VRE |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 9 08:11:34 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 8 14:15:58 2012.  This is one of our topic interurbans. I have a passion for interurbans that started with the Lackawanna & Wyoming's Laural Line. It ran between Wilks-Barr and Scranton Pa. I tried to get a set of the Chicago, North Shore & Milwaukee Interurbans by K-line, but I procastnated myself out of luck. 
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 9 08:42:36 2012, in response to Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 09:49:57 2012.  The South Shore, again I believe this is a K-line product. A very close representation, but the devotee would see the omissions or additions that the originals had. K-line modified their scale, then their semi-scale heavyweights to produce interurbans and commuter cars. MTH modified their semi-scale heavyweights with coaches and combines. Lionel was the closest to the original with the Pennsylvania coach and combine, with owl eyes. Later RR's still had owl eyes, and their Long Island RR version had pantographs! |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 9 09:04:35 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 9 08:42:36 2012. This is on my wish list. I may, repeat may, attempt a scratch build. It has trolley Poles and a Pantograph. I wonder if it made any connections with Pacific Electric, or Southern Pacific's electric service? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Sep 9 10:53:19 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 9 09:04:35 2012. so you are going to scratch your "itch"! |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 9 10:55:45 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by tunnelrat on Sun Sep 9 10:53:19 2012. Some what. It's getting the parts, and a steady hand. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 9 12:40:27 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Sep 8 23:51:46 2012. Yep, MARC has talked about extending north from Perryville, with new stations within MD, like in Elkton. I'll probably ride a full length SAS before this happens, though. |
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Posted by Asgard on Sun Sep 9 14:24:00 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 9 09:04:35 2012. "It has trolley Poles and a Pantograph."And some Sacramento Northern cars also had removable third rail shoes. I don't have time to look up the details, but it was the result of a merger between the Oakland, Antioch & Eastern (I *think*) and something else. One line was 600 V, the other 1200. The 1200 V cars could run on the 600 line, with the motors arranged in series; but the 600 V cars couldn't run on the higher voltage. There was at least one other line -- from memory, the Albany Southern -- which used poles, pantographs, and third rail. "I wonder if it made any connections with Pacific Electric, or Southern Pacific's electric service?" It was far too north to connect with PE, but it shared trackage in Oakland with the Key System, and after the Bay Bridge opened, with Key and the Southern Pacific electrics. The Bay Bridge had both third rail and overhead, to accommodate the three railways. |
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Posted by Asgard on Sun Sep 9 14:31:57 2012, in response to Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 09:49:57 2012. From _Trolley Car Treasury_, by Frank Rowsome:"...between New York and Boston, solely by streetcar. The total fare for this 267-mile jaunt was $3.75 and the actual running time was eighteen hours and eight minutes, to which had to be added any time spent waiting for connections and eating. By 1913 it was almost possible to make a far longer trip, one of breathtaking dimensions. It ran more than 1,000 miles from Waterville, Maine, to Sheboygan, Wisconsin. It would have taken more than a week, with about 150 hours of actual riding time. But a pair of 20-mile gaps in New York State were never closed, and no one ever made the trip purely by trolley. "It was a pity that no company had the vitality to close those little gaps, if only for a short time. Because in the years that were immediately ahead, it was not the trackage that was to grow, but the gaps." |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 9 18:59:15 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Asgard on Sun Sep 9 14:24:00 2012. Super information. Didn't know about third rails west of the Mississippi.Were the 600 V poles, and third rail? The Laural Line of the Lackawanna and Wyoming Valley had both poles and third Rail @ 600V. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 9 19:14:49 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 14:32:14 2012.   This was the Illinois Fan Trip on the C.S.S.S.B. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Sep 9 22:26:25 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 9 12:40:27 2012. Yeah, that was it, Perryville.Not related to rail, but IIRC, there is a DART First State bus that runs to Elkton, MD, just across the state line. Dunno if it originates in Newark or Wilmington, though (A few years ago, I was thinking of relocating to Newark/Wilmington (have a cousin living there), So I studied the DART 1st system). |
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Posted by Koi-PublicTransitIsMyLifeline on Sun Sep 9 23:58:18 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Sep 8 23:51:46 2012. Actually, Shore Line East has to be used from New Haven to New London as MNCR doesn't go past New Haven.Koi |
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Posted by chud1 on Mon Sep 10 04:38:54 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 9 19:14:49 2012. excellent pictures. it is to foam.chud1 |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Sep 10 11:15:16 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by chud1 on Mon Sep 10 04:38:54 2012. I only wish they were mine to claim.Found on Daves electric RR site. http://www.davesrailpix.com/odds/al/al.htm#ccer |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Sep 10 12:18:29 2012, in response to Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 09:49:57 2012.     No Sparky this is not Ronkonkoma. It is Califoracate, Northweatern Pacific no pants on , but they have a third rail. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Sep 10 16:38:36 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Mon Sep 10 12:18:29 2012. Correction; Northwestern Pacific, with third rail. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Sep 10 16:55:43 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Mon Sep 10 11:15:16 2012. That link was for Alabama trolleys.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by CJ on Mon Sep 10 18:24:11 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 9 09:04:35 2012. That wooden Holman motor looks very sharp after being restored. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 10 18:55:25 2012, in response to Re:NOT RONKONKOMA SPARKY, PHOTOS Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Mon Sep 10 16:38:36 2012. It's amazing that a state such as California with the number of interurbans it had almost rivaling Illinois, went as auto crazy as it did. Fortunately, at least as far as urban light rail is concerned, the state is redeeming itself. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 11 10:41:24 2012, in response to Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 8 09:49:57 2012. These are photos of the Indianapolis Traction Terminal. The terminal was the destination and start point for several traction companies.      <ing src=http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j459/avidreader66/TractionTerminals1.jpg> 
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 11 10:58:59 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by CJ on Mon Sep 10 18:24:11 2012. Yes, it is a beauty, The fan trips #1005 took was on a route now serving BART, or very close to it. This photo of #302. It had joined #1005 on Fan runs. Different from #1005, one end trolley, one end pantograph on #302. Two trolley poles and center pantograph.
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 11 11:54:28 2012, in response to Re:More Photos Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 11 10:41:24 2012. Trolley terminal with a sort of great arch. Don't see that too much anywhere else. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 11 12:02:11 2012, in response to Re: More Photos: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 11 11:54:28 2012. PS. Here's the photo you meant to link but missed due to typo. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 11 12:21:25 2012, in response to Re: More Photos: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 11 12:02:11 2012. Thanks for the catch and save.They sure did like their variety. |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Sep 11 14:57:41 2012, in response to Re:More Photos Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 11 10:41:24 2012. 5 stars out of 5 stars on these pictures.chud1 |
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Posted by numbersix on Tue Sep 11 15:21:20 2012, in response to Re: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Asgard on Sun Sep 9 14:24:00 2012. "The 1200 V cars could run on the 600 line, with the motors arranged in series; but the 600 V cars couldn't run on the higher voltage."I'm confused. If a 1200 volt motor is put in series with another 1200 volt motor it would need 2400 volts. OTOH two 600 volt motors in series would be OK with 1200 volts. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Tue Sep 11 17:42:58 2012, in response to Re: More Photos: Terminals and ROW shared by Multiple Interurbans., posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 11 12:02:11 2012. A smaller version of that shed was used by Public Service in Journal Square for their suburban/interurban cars coming from all over Northern NJ. It was there until fairly recently, track, granite block paving and all. When I last saw it, it was used by a rental car agency and full of pigeons. Located right around the corner from the infamous Tube Bar and upstairs from H&M Journal Square station. |
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