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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Sep 6 07:59:52 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 01:14:50 2014. And Genesis mandates it of course...... |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Sep 6 08:29:23 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Sep 6 02:36:00 2014.  your pal, Fred |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 08:39:47 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Sep 6 07:39:25 2014. There is a big difference between saying it is within one's religion to say we should be good stewards of the earth. It's another thing to say the bible says there's gonna be a flood so let's build dams to stop it with taxpayer money.That's the equivalence between what the SoS said and what the RW says.. Environmental science drives the policy, not the bible. Get it? |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Sep 6 08:48:35 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Sep 5 20:42:51 2014. I agree with you that it has no place in US government but we part company on exactly what is said. I strongly disagree with Kerry in his statement that God created the earth but it doesn't outrage me like it would if he added "and evolution is bullshit" or something like that. Likewise if a rightie politician states that he believes in the 10 commandments. Fine. If he adds "and we need to display them on all public buildings" then I'm outraged.But we do agree that it's best to just keep God out of government. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 09:03:58 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Fred G on Sat Sep 6 08:48:35 2014. IAWTP. The difference to me that makes Kerry slightly less objectionable is that he says "I believe that God commanded us to take care of the earth", without adding "and therefore you should too." |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 09:10:16 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 09:03:58 2014. Or writing legislation mandating we build dams at taxpayer's expense because there was a flood in the bible. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 09:46:46 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 08:39:47 2014. No, not at all. First off, there is much controversy to the left's "environmental science", and it's even more questionable when they say it's because "God gave them a responsibility, clearly stated in Genesis, where God first created the Earth, and then created man".I am not saying that the right is right either in when they quote scriptures to mandate things based on 'man shall not lie with man", and so forth, but it's wrong in EITHER case. Just because you like one idea and not the other, doesn't make it right to use scripture in government mandates or policy. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 09:48:42 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 09:10:16 2014. Or writing legislation mandating we build dams at taxpayer's expense because there was a flood in the bible.Can you show us where that has happened? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 09:52:41 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Fred G on Sat Sep 6 08:48:35 2014. So we agree. We both feel religion has no place in government policy. But that includes a speech where someone quotes Genesis and scripture to try and put out a government policy idea that we have a personal responsibility to do some policy because it's given by God.That, is just as bad as the lunatics on the right that quote fornication or man lying with man to promote their agenda. They are both agendas, and if you are outraged about one, then you should be outraged about the other. Or if you feel it's right for one agenda, then it must be right for the other agenda. Scripture has no place in government mandates, policy, or speeches. And that goes for EITHER side. Again, it doesn't matter if you like the promotion idea of one agenda and not the other, or if you feel its not as bad as another. They are both wrong. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 10:22:01 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 09:48:42 2014. Literalist.Although if we wait long enough, we'll likely hear some RWer proposing that. Maybe someone down in Texas, where they're experiencing desertification, as a water storing solution for the "flood water" or a related crackpot scheme. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 10:30:08 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 09:52:41 2014. Problem is, there's science to back up environmental protection. The biological basis for homosexual preferences is being studied.There's no scientific basis for a misinterpreted, mistranslated book purported to be thousands of years old driving policy of a secular government. If one person states he sees religious purpose in protecting the environment, all that is is a rallying point for other like minded people to participate. It is not a policy mandate. It is not proposed legislation. It is not law. It's one guy's opinion. It is not entirely driven by religious dogma either, since the science behind it is sound to 99% of the community. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 10:38:58 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 10:22:01 2014. Ah yes, you were making stuff up again. Surprise. Anything to be a hypocrite. We all know you defend anything a Democrat does, no matter how much it's the same crap the rightists do, that you criticize. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 10:44:07 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 10:30:08 2014. Problem is, there's science to back up environmental protection. The biological basis for homosexual preferences is being studied.Very questionable science. It can be shown however the data is twisted to promote an idea. That said, Scripture is scripture. There's no scientific evidence that "God created the Earth and Man after that", nor that there's a "Personal responsibility given by God" to promote Environmentalism, or prevent Homosexuals from having sex with each other. Whether you agree or disagree with either of those things, is irrelevant, as scripture shouldn't be allowed to flow into government policy or ideas either way. If it's wrong for one, it's wrong for the other. If one person states he sees religious purpose in protecting the environment, all that is is a rallying point for other like minded people to participate. It is not a policy mandate And if a religious right wing nut uses scripture as a rallying point for other like minded people to not support gay marriage, it's no different. Again, just because you agree with the result, doesn't mean Scripture should be used as a reason to do anything. It is not entirely driven by religious dogma either, since the science behind it is sound to 99% of the community. No it's not. And again, quoting Genesis to promote Environmentalism is no better than Quoting Genesis to promote creationism. You can't pick and chose when to use Scripture, depending on your liking of the end result. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 10:47:44 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Fred G on Sat Sep 6 03:00:53 2014. There's plenty to see. It's never okay to quote Scripture in a government speech or as a reason to promote a policy.It would be just as wrong if some right wing nut was quoting Genesis to promote Creationism. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 10:55:36 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 10:38:58 2014. Where did I say I wasn't? Should have been clear it was conjecture, demonstrating that what Sec Kerry said has no equivalence to what the RW seeks to do WRT policy. You point isn't valid. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 10:56:44 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 10:55:36 2014. It sure is valid. Scripture has no place in a government speech. It's not right for a right wing nut, and it's not right for him. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 11:05:41 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 10:44:07 2014. Here I was seeing this as his making a point for inclusion, that environmental protection is seated not only in it's science (which is "debated" only by a few RW nut-ball outliers) but in the practice of faith.That's a very different message than "gay marriage should be banned because the bible says xyz". Thee's no science to back that up, and LOTS of evidence to argue the contrary. You obviously not getting this. One has nothing to do with the other. That being said, at least we agree that religion has no place in policymaking. That applies to environmental protection as well. Good thing there's lot of science illustrating the need. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 6 11:15:34 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 10:56:44 2014. Scripture has no place in a government speech"Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face." — Ronald ReaganOr do you mean misapplication? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 11:22:16 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 11:05:41 2014. Here I was seeing this as his making a point for inclusion, that environmental protection is seated not only in it's science (which is "debated" only by a few RW nut-ball outliers) but in the practice of faith.Yet, you would have an issue with someone using Genesis to promote Creationism. That being said, at least we agree that religion has no place in policymaking. That applies to environmental protection as well. Good thing there's lot of science illustrating the need Scripture has no place in public speeches, especially from a high ranking official such as Secretary of State. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 11:23:05 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 6 11:15:34 2014. It wasn't right then either. Yet Bingbong will condemn that....yet give Kerry a pass, because, she's a partisan hypocrite. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 12:18:02 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 11:22:16 2014. Yet, you would have an issue with someone using Genesis to promote Creationism.Creationism isn't even close to being backed up by science or anything else other than religion. Scripture has no place in public speeches, especially from a high ranking official such as Secretary of State. Then again, that whole speech is about religion, so a blanket ban is too simplistic. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 12:31:15 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 09:46:46 2014. First off, there is much controversy to the left's "environmental science"The only controversy is coming from people with vested interests against environmentalism and possess very deep pockets, or are paid by such people. As bingbong said, religion is NOT what's driving environmental policy in the govt., as opposed to anti-gay initiatives. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 12:38:10 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 12:18:02 2014. Creationism isn't even close to being backed up by science or anything else other than religion.Neither is saying that God gives him a personal responsibility to defend. Then again, that whole speech is about religion, so a blanket ban is too simplistic. No it's not |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 12:39:32 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 12:31:15 2014. The only controversy is coming from people with vested interests against environmentalism and possess very deep pockets, or are paid by such peopleNo it's not. There is inconclusive evidence, based on how you analyze data. As bingbong said, religion is NOT what's driving environmental policy in the govt., as opposed to anti-gay initiatives. Yet a high ranking official felt the need to use Genesis as a reason for it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 12:47:50 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 12:39:32 2014. No it's not. There is inconclusive evidence, based on how you analyze data.FALSE! It's only inconclusive in right wing propaganda. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 12:47:59 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Sep 6 07:59:52 2014. Not what I said. I mean c'mon ... we all know that the GOP is the only political party sanctioned by God. They should sue the democrats for blasphemage. :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 12:48:55 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 12:47:50 2014. That is not true. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 12:49:11 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Sep 6 07:44:36 2014. Looks like we've got to settle this somehow. So who sits at the right hand of God? Is it Rand Paul or Ted Cruz? :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 12:49:41 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Fred G on Sat Sep 6 08:29:23 2014. There ya go ... no sense wasting science on the other guy. :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 12:50:33 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 12:47:59 2014. Not what I said. I mean c'mon ...I didn't say YOU said Genesis mandated it, but Kerry surely did. He even used the word "Clearly in Genesis". we all know that the GOP is the only political party sanctioned by God. They should sue the democrats for blasphemage. :) Apparently, Kerry thinks the Democrats are too. It's his "personal responsibility given to him by God, clearly stated in Genesis"...... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 12:50:54 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 12:48:55 2014. See? An act right of pure faith right there! :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 12:51:44 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 12:48:55 2014. It is absolutely true. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 12:54:39 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 11:23:05 2014. Of which party? i belong to neither. I have no problem with any politician saying their faith strengthens their convictions on an issue, especially if it affects everyone and is not discriminatory. I have BIG problems with any faith BEING the issue, meaning legislating morality based on specific dogma or endorsing any particular faith....like Fred's example of the ten commandments being displayed in government buildings. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 12:54:40 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 10:47:44 2014. Lulz! :)http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/republican-congressman-cites-biblical-great-flood-to-say-cim#11g24au |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 12:55:42 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 11:22:16 2014. Creationism is not science based. Environmental protection laws are. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Sep 6 13:01:42 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Fred G on Sat Sep 6 08:29:23 2014. No idea. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 13:05:03 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 12:50:33 2014. Did you happen to catch the REST of the pixmission? Or just the Drudgery part? This has to be right up there in significance as when Nancy Pelosi said something about her own faith values. After all, GOP insists that we need more church. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 13:05:34 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 12:54:39 2014. 
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 13:07:53 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 12:49:11 2014. You you just can't admit that both parties suck a big one. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Sep 6 13:09:08 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 10:38:58 2014. So she's been wrong a few times. Who cares? bingbong is still the Ms. Cleo of OTChat. I am still waiting, though, for BMW to head north and for Boeing to stop building "inferior" airplanes in South Carolina |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 13:09:10 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 13:05:03 2014. After all, GOP insists that we need more church. :)And I knock them all the time for it. You (and the rest) just can't bring yourself to knock Democrats when they do it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 13:12:59 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 12:54:39 2014. Of which party? i belong to neither.And neither do I. I have no problem with any politician saying their faith strengthens their convictions on an issue, especially if it affects everyone and is not discriminatory. Oh please. You are one of the fist to scream the loudest when a Republican does it. You just can't bring yourself to talk bad against a Democrat, and actually take it one step further, and rationalize. I have BIG problems with any faith BEING the issue, meaning legislating morality based on specific dogma or endorsing any particular faith....like Fred's example of the ten commandments being displayed in government buildings Yes, or like saying you have a personal Mandate in Genesis given to you by God. Oh wait, wrong party, so it's not an issue to you. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 13:14:37 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 12:54:40 2014. Yet another says they have a personal mandate in Genesis given to them by God to go after it.....oh wait, that's actually the Secretary of State no less.....and wrong party to criticize for it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 13:15:24 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 12:55:42 2014. But the mandate by God given to them by Genesis is not.... |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 13:18:24 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 12:47:50 2014. There is conclusive evidence of global warming. However, it is not as extensive as has been predicted by the models. It would be nice if scientists could explain why the earth hasn't heated up since the record warm level it reached in 1998. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Sep 6 13:26:35 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 13:18:24 2014. Yup and Jimmy Earl Peanuts announced the dangers of Global Cooling in the 1970s. I wish the liberals would make up their mind as to why the sky is falling. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 13:27:22 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 13:05:34 2014. Did you know that's only one among a plethora of depictions of "law" as a concept that encompasses many religious and cultural traditions? There isn't any favoritism there. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 13:28:11 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Sep 6 13:26:35 2014. Since when was Jimmy Carter a scientist? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 13:28:39 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 13:27:22 2014. Not complaining. Just pointing it out. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 13:29:04 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 13:18:24 2014. EXACTLY. |
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