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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:28:48 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 15:27:43 2014. Plenty of times, where right wing nuts quote things like "man can not lie with man", or whatever handpicked Scripture they use. ' |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Sep 6 15:29:20 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:17:45 2014. Sure you canIt's one of the best comedy bits ever that you Republicans turn their back on things like Heal the sick Feed the hungry Shelter the poor Etc Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 15:29:40 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:25:09 2014. But the English translations that use "kill" are not accurate. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:31:30 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:26:02 2014. you are not consistentSince the Bible contradicts itself, no one who believes a single sentence of it is likely to be consistent. And the Bible doesn't say "Thou shalt not kill". Correct. The Bible wasn't written in English. But the King James version does. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:32:09 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 15:29:40 2014. OK, fine. Tell it to King James. :) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 15:36:11 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 12:38:10 2014. Neither is saying that God gives him a personal responsibility to defend.He's just referencing the Bible as an additional reason. That there are scientific and practical reasons goes without saying and are outside the scope of the speech. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:36:37 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:32:09 2014. And to the current keepers of the Baltimore Catechism for that matter. I guess the Catholic and Anglican churches can't afford good scholar of Hebrew. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 15:39:41 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:16:42 2014. You asked if I thought there might be an "issue". Now you've asked if I believe there has been some man-made global warming.I don't think there is an "issue". There may or may not have been man-made global warming -- but I don't think there is any meaningful consequence to it if it did/does happen. Now I'll ask a few questions for you to dodge... Why do you think there is an "issue"? What should be done if there is an "issue"? What level of credibility do you assign to the current state of science on the "issue"? What level of credibility do you assign to the state of science on the "issue" circa 1973? What level of credibility do you think you would assign to that 1973-era science if we were having this discussion in 1973? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 15:39:50 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:23:32 2014. a few decades long cooling trend from the late 1940's through the 1970'sActually that's very arguable. There were temperature spikes and dips during that period. Taken as a longer term, the trend has been up. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 15:40:35 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:21:48 2014. Random variation is another. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 15:40:40 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:21:48 2014. Or more precisely, soot and other particulate matter. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 15:42:18 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:28:48 2014. Could it not be because liberals did not like the use of religion to deny people rights? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 15:44:31 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:32:09 2014. We should spam his Facebook page. :-) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:55:47 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:32:09 2014. Saying do not kill would not be accurate, as that would also imply animals. It would also include accidental killing, such as if you killed someone in a car accident, for example. There's a difference between Killing and Murder. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:56:49 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:31:30 2014. Since the Bible contradicts itself, no one who believes a single sentence of it is likely to be consistent.Of course. Another reason it has no business in government policy or speeches. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:57:24 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 15:36:11 2014. He's just referencing the Bible as an additional reason.So? It's still wrong. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:58:28 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 15:39:50 2014. 40 years is pretty long for a "dip". Of course, that wouldn't hold well when you are trying to "prove a point". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:58:49 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 15:40:40 2014. Source? |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:59:38 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 15:39:41 2014. Why do you think there is an "issue"?Because there is extensive scientific evidence that increased levels of CO2 in the air are correlated to higher global temperatures. And because an additional rise in global temperature of several more degrees Celsius will be far more expensive for the world economy to handle than trying to head it off by creating reasonable incentives for reducing the consumption of fossil fuel. What I would like to see is more research into possible negative feedback mechanisms. Just because selected scientists were wrong in 1973 (and there was far less research then than there is now) doesn't mean they are fully wrong now. I definitely think some scientists are crying wolf. That doesn't mean we can assume there is no wolf. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 16:00:28 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 15:42:18 2014. You are not denying people's rights when you say people can't use certain lightbulbs, cars, etc? If "religion" is bad to use for one thing, it's bad to use for another thing.A nut claiming that "gays shouldn't marry" because Scriptures says so is as wrong. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 16:04:26 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:55:47 2014. The fifth Commandment is: Thou shalt not kill.I agree; it's inaccurate. And Spider-Pig says it's also a bad translation. But that's the official translation by the single religion practiced by more English-speaking people than any other. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 16:05:49 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 15:40:35 2014. Any good statistician could show that the probability of those fluctuations being due to random variation is less than .0001%. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 16:13:47 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 16:05:49 2014. Really? Go ahead and show me. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 16:15:32 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:59:38 2014. You've dodged the remaining questions. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 16:25:47 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 14:14:10 2014. "There is plenty of evidence. The debate is over. The denialists lost." -- Global Cooling advocates, 1974Hubris is a terrible thing. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 16:27:08 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 16:15:32 2014. True. Some of those are complex questions. I just started out with a simple one. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Sep 6 16:31:08 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Fred G on Sat Sep 6 15:29:20 2014. iawtp |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 16:41:31 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 16:27:08 2014. Can I assume you'll get back to me on those? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 16:59:19 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 14:29:39 2014. That's actually pretty damn significant. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 6 16:59:48 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State … is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:08:23 2014. Well, "climate change" actually dates back to 1988, when the UN created the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). From there we got those infernal "Earth Summits" and the propaganda about so-called "greenhouse gases", which led to "climate models" that omit atmospheric water from all of their calculations. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 17:01:36 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 16:41:31 2014. No. You seem to be unwilling to take the issue seriously. Your attitude seems to be that because some scientists are behaving irresponsibly, the issue doesn't warrant serious attention. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 6 17:02:46 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:57:01 2014. For sure. He'd be hollering "establishment clause" quicker than you can say ISIS. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 6 17:07:30 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 16:00:28 2014. You're confused. The issue you speak of is a means to an end, because it attacks the free exercise clause of the First Amendment and those who want to freely exercise thereof. If you don't believe me, then do a search on the gay wedding cake issue. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 17:10:24 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 17:01:36 2014. I'm asking you to show me why I should take the issue seriously and what the "issue" is. The supposition that the world is going to warm by several more degrees Celsius in our lifetime simply isn't borne out by any recent empirical evidence.The scientists were wrong in 1973. They were wrong again in the 1990's. There was a clear political agenda behind the "science" both times. Why don't you have more skepticism towards it? |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 17:17:37 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 17:10:24 2014. Why don't you have more skepticism towards it?Because despite the unproven claims there is a lot of careful science that suggests a serious problem that could cost the world trillions of dollars to address, but is cheaper to address if done earlier. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 17:18:59 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 17:17:37 2014. How would you address "it" earlier? Based on your response to another post, the easy solution would seem to be to burn more coal. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 17:38:31 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 17:18:59 2014. The fact that I don't personally know the best way to treat the issue is not an excuse for ignoring it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 6 18:23:22 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:31:30 2014. Since the Bible contradicts itselfNo it doesn't. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 6 18:30:02 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:55:47 2014. There's a difference between Killing and Murder.How dare you invoke the Ten Commandments. ("Thou shalt not kill" is more correctly translated "Thou shalt not murder".) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 18:42:16 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State … is this satire?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 6 18:23:22 2014. LOL! |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 18:47:06 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:58:28 2014. Are you looking at the mean, or are you looking at the average temperature at the beginning and the end of the graph? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 18:54:30 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:58:49 2014. Note that my previous post was only expanding on AlM's suggestion that particulate matter has a cooling effect. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 18:55:50 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 14:13:40 2014. I guess doughnuts are "haute cuisine" on Long Island. Lulz. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 18:58:30 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Fred G on Sat Sep 6 14:29:57 2014. Arguing with BP is always a losing proposition. :) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 19:00:53 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:57:24 2014. He's just referencing the Bible as an additional reason.So? It's still wrong. How is what he's saying affecting govt policy? Then again, that whole speech is about religion, so a blanket ban is too simplistic. No it's not How do you expect him to make a meaningful speech regarding the constructive aspects of religion without quoting religious texts? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 19:01:27 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 18:54:30 2014. You should know better than to use the "S word" (science) in front of righties. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 19:05:09 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 14:27:49 2014. "Cooling" was the result of Nitrogen oxides, sulphur oxides and particulates which acted like a mirror in the upper atmosphere. Those were dealt with. Lately, the Chinese and Indians have been putting that stuff back up there. But hey ... economists are better scientists? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 19:13:14 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:27:05 2014. Yeah, that train already left. We're boarding the regional now. :) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 19:16:48 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 19:05:09 2014. No, talk show hosts are better scientists. :-) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 19:25:23 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 19:16:48 2014. And the BEST scientists of all are the columnists at the Daily Wail and Canada Freep Press. Go Newsmax! :) |
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