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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 14:10:12 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:07:03 2014. I saw Daily Wail ... it's sorta like when you see MSNBC. Didn't click. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:10:37 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 14:10:12 2014. Wouldn't know, I don't read/watch either. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:11:08 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 14:08:20 2014. Excellent post. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 14:11:28 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:10:37 2014. There ya go. Same here. It's like clicking on one of ChiMM's videos. :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 14:12:11 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 13:12:59 2014. The reason anything gets said "when a republican does it" is because their intent far more often than not is to discriminate and repress large parts of the population they do not like.I would support any republican stating that they feel their religion mandates them to enforce laws protecting the environment. Do notice I'm not holding my breath, although the irony here is that it once was their issue. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:12:39 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 14:11:28 2014. I usually don't click on the posts to begin with, so don't know. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:13:37 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 14:12:11 2014. There is no religious mandate, and it doesn't belong in Government, left OR right. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 6 14:13:40 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Sep 6 13:33:12 2014. What makes you believe I'd want one? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 14:14:10 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:09:07 2014. There is plenty of evidence. The debate is over. The denialists lost. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 14:17:11 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:10:01 2014. LOL! What skewed data? Climate change has not at all been disproved. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 14:18:53 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 14:08:20 2014. You're not going to convince the Creationists anyway. The only problem is losing the more rational people who find it reasonable to believe that humans can influence the planet. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:19:57 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 14:17:11 2014. And it hasn't been proven either. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 14:27:49 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Sep 6 13:26:35 2014. The irony is that the supposed "cause" of Global Cooling is the same as the supposed "cause" of Global Warming. Carbon Dioxide and Pollution/Smog.Business is bad -- we must crush business! They are causing Global Cooling!!! Oh, the data doesn't support it and the earth is now warming? Time for a new hypothesis. Business is bad -- we must crush business! They are causing Global Warming!!! Rut Roh -- the data says the earth isn't warming for the past 15 years, even though everything in our theory says it should be warming faster than ever. We're gonna need a new theory. Global Temperature Stagnation is bad!!! The earths temperatures have been alternately cooling and warming for thousands of years and now they are stable!!! This is being caused by CO2 emissions and pollution. Business is evil!!! What will become of our grandchildren??? And the penguins and zebras??? Somebody do something!!! |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 14:29:21 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 14:17:11 2014. Climate change has not been disproved because the climate is always changing.What is being thrown into question are the theories of how the climate would change and the causes of climate change. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 14:29:39 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:19:57 2014. A full degree Celsius from 1910 to 2000 isn't catastrophic, but it's not chicken feed either. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Sep 6 14:29:57 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 14:17:11 2014. Lol, This is gonna be one of THOSE threads -_-Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 14:31:01 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 14:27:49 2014. Are you serious? Do you really not think there might be an issue here?Just because the boy is crying wolf doesn't necessarily mean there are no wolves. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 14:33:12 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 12:50:54 2014. LOL :-) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:35:31 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 14:27:49 2014.  
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 14:37:40 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State … is this satire?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Sep 6 13:41:20 2014. So do you really not believe that mankind has caused the earth to warm?I'm not asking you whether you believe it's a catastrophe. As I've posted, I don't think the evidence for catastrophic global warming is there. But do you really agree with Olog that there hasn't been any human caused warming at all? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:37:47 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 14:31:01 2014. Well of course, there's a mandate under Genesis given to us by God to pursue it. |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Sat Sep 6 14:38:14 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 14:31:01 2014. Why did the temperature fall between 1880 and 1910 and again between 1940-1975? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 14:39:19 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 14:29:21 2014. It's obvious what was meant by climate change in this thread. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:39:50 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by DAnD124 on Sat Sep 6 14:38:14 2014. Exactly.And the Earth has been doing that for thousands of years, long before "man" ever got here. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 14:41:09 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:39:50 2014. And there have been fires on Earth long before man started fires. That doesn't mean that all fires are natural. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Sep 6 14:48:50 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 09:03:58 2014. Exactly, Chris doesn't see the Nuance there and starts screaming hypocrite without any foundation.Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 14:50:29 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by DAnD124 on Sat Sep 6 14:38:14 2014. Good question. I think there are partial explanations related to coal dust in the air.Are you agreeing with me that scientists need to do a better job of explaining or are you claiming that there has been no man-made global warming? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 14:50:34 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 12:39:32 2014. Yet a high ranking official felt the need to use Genesis as a reason for it. In a speech about how we're all linked together and how religion tells us to help each other and be responsible, it would be out of place to mention the reasons for being responsible stewards of the Earth is only for scientific and practical reasons, wouldn't it? His speech is basically saying that if you follow religion, you should know that religion is telling you these things. I also noticed that no one (especially Breitbart) seems to be complaining about how he quoted Jesus as a reason for helping other people. Why is that? |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Sat Sep 6 14:52:44 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 14:50:29 2014. I believe there has been global warming, I question that the models predict the feedback effects accurately. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 14:53:41 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 14:31:01 2014. Does the data support there being an issue?Do the recent observations support any of the claims being made 15 years ago? Do the recent observations actually contradict the assertions being made 15 years ago? Are people able to make a living by being "climate change" experts? Have there been instances of data fudging by those same people who are making their living on being an "expert" in order to make the case for global warming? Were the alleged causes of global cooling the "usual suspects" / "convenient scapegoats" for the political ideology most outspoken about global cooling? Were the alleged causes of global warming the "usual suspects" / "convenient scapegoats" for the political ideology most outspoken about global warming? Were the alleged causes of global cooling and of global warming one and the same? Was the political ideology advancing that global cooling was a crisis the same ideology that was advancing that global warming was a crisis? Were school children in the 1970's given assignments to warn of the dangers of global cooling and bring these home to their parents? Were school children in the 1990's given assignments to warn of the dangers of global warming and bring these home to their parents? Are school children today given assignments to warn of the dangers of climate change and bring these home to their parents? Are the political interests of the teacher's unions generally aligned with the political ideology advancing that global warming and cooling were crises? Is the timing of the renaming the issue from "global warming" to "climate change" not conveniently timed alongside the recognition that the data from the last 15 or so years show no consistency with what was projected by the global warming alarmists? ----------- Last, but not least, even if the answers to the above questions do not raise your skepticism meter and you think that "Global Climate Change" is an urgent concern -- then how do you answer this question Given the (in)accuracy of nearly all the theories and causation analysis so far, how can you be certain that whatever remedy is being proposed isn't actually going to make the problem worse? ----------- The world has warmed and cooled for thousands of years. It will keep doing so long after we are all dead. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:54:20 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 14:41:09 2014. ?????Of course not. In fact, more fires are not natural today. But we also put them out, which way back when natural fires burned themselves out, destroying the landscape in the process to a much harsher extent. And you can substitute "fires". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:55:24 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Fred G on Sat Sep 6 14:48:50 2014. There's plenty foundation. People like bingbong (and even you to an extent) just can't bring yourself to find any fault in anything the left does, and even rationalizes it....even when in exact conflict with what they criticize the right for. This being a perfect example. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:57:01 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 14:50:34 2014. Because Jesus (or any other religious figure) has no place in a speech like that. Neither does Genesis.And the hypocrisy is what is the most blatant. He'd be the first to criticize a rightist politician for doing the same. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 14:59:33 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 14:29:21 2014. Statistically speaking, the most likely cause of the current increase in global temperatures and CO2 in the atmosphere is the Industrial Revolution; i.e., man. No other factor correlates as well with this. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 14:59:50 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:54:20 2014. And that's why we need to put out artificial climate change as well. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:04:13 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 14:59:33 2014. And how do you explain the decades of cooling in between? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 15:09:38 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 14:57:01 2014. Because Jesus (or any other religious figure) has no place in a speech like that. Neither does Genesis.Actually, they do because it's a speech about the constructive aspects of religion, relative to the new appointee and new State Department initiatives about religion. Why do you not understand that? And the hypocrisy is what is the most blatant. He'd be the first to criticize a rightist politician for doing the same. I seriously doubt he would ever criticize a right wing politician for quoting Jesus as a reason for helping your fellow man or for similarly constructive reasons. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 15:13:50 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:04:13 2014. In between what? The general trend has been warming, though there are spikes both up and down during this time; i.e., it isn't, and never has been, a perfectly smooth line. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:16:42 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Charles G on Sat Sep 6 14:53:41 2014. You're dodging the question. I agree that there have been statements not supported by the evidence. I'm asking you if you believe there has been some man-made global warming, or not? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:17:45 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 15:09:38 2014. Again, if it's wrong to mention religion or quote scripture for one thing, it's wrong for another. Doesn't matter the motive. You can't pick and chose which parts of Scripture you like or don't like. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:18:23 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by DAnD124 on Sat Sep 6 14:52:44 2014. My point too. I find it amusing that some people just can't get themselves to commit to any point of view other than that some scientists have overstated the case. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:19:53 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:17:45 2014. You can't pick and chose which parts of Scripture you like or don't like.Sure you can. I'm a lot more supportive of "Thou shalt not kill" than I am of God having made the world in 6 days. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 15:21:11 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:19:53 2014. It does not say "Do not kill." |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:21:48 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:04:13 2014. There are plenty of plausible explanations. Coal dust in the air. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:23:32 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 15:13:50 2014. There was a small cooling trend in the 1910's, and a few decades long cooling trend from the late 1940's through the 1970's. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:25:09 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 15:21:11 2014. Well, of course not, because it wasn't written in English. But some English translations do say it.Here's a link that took me a minute to find. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:26:02 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:19:53 2014. Again, if you like one, but ignore others, you are not consistent.You can't like the idea of one thing in Genesis, but don't like another part of Genesis, and say that any of it is accurate or something to follow. Just because there's "good ideas" in Scripture, doesn't mean you can pick and chose things you don't like out of it. And the Bible doesn't say "Thou shalt not kill". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:27:05 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:18:23 2014. And I can't believe that some people just can't get themselves to commit to saying one politician is wrong for paraphrasing from scripture, yet condemn others for doing the same. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:27:36 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:21:48 2014. Your first sentence is correct. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Sep 6 15:27:43 2014, in response to Re: Your Secretary of State .. is this satire?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:17:45 2014. Can you show me where a relatively mainstream liberal said you cannot mention religion or quote scripture in a speech? Atheists don't count because they are not mainstream. |
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