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#1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Mar 20 12:55:37 2009 Well, R-7A #1575 (the R-10 prototype) was recently photographed inside the paint shop at Coney Island Yard. You can see that car body is being prepared and will be really worked over, and one of its exterior side number plates has been removed (probably the one that had the metal ding in its lower left hand corner for years).R-7A #1575, Coney Island Shop-Paint Shop, 3/17/2009. Could R-10 cars #3184 and #3189 ever be possibly entering into the repainting and restoration phase in the future? Just asking, and stay tuned. -William A. Padron ["Wash.Hts.-8th Av.Exp."] |
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Posted by danny at 103rd street on Fri Mar 20 13:01:42 2009, in response to #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by William A. Padron on Fri Mar 20 12:55:37 2009. Great, it needed a new paint job if only they repaint the Train of Many Colors |
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Posted by South Ferry on Fri Mar 20 15:24:09 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by danny at 103rd street on Fri Mar 20 13:01:42 2009. WTF!?? The TOMC is just fine..... and let's not start that whole debate over where the FUNDS for repainting will come from.... mkaythxbye. Makes me a bit leery to see 1575 in there and those new seats looking like they're ready to get put in thurr.... CrAppy McCrappers!! |
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Posted by danny at 103rd street on Fri Mar 20 15:26:11 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by South Ferry on Fri Mar 20 15:24:09 2009. Crappy McCrappers? |
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Posted by danny at 103rd street on Fri Mar 20 15:39:00 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by South Ferry on Fri Mar 20 15:24:09 2009. calm down, I dont think they would but those seats, and I am not crappy Mccrappers |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Fri Mar 20 17:37:53 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by danny at 103rd street on Fri Mar 20 15:39:00 2009. I did see McCrappers' friends on Sunday. You should know who I'm talking about. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Mar 20 20:58:41 2009, in response to #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by William A. Padron on Fri Mar 20 12:55:37 2009. I'd like to see one of the R-10s redone in the racing stripe scheme.:) |
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Posted by R-1-9 on Fri Mar 20 22:19:38 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Mar 20 20:58:41 2009. Blue stripe,with silver body;circa 1970,s look??????? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 20 22:30:11 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by R-1-9 on Fri Mar 20 22:19:38 2009. HELL no! The wholly Ronan Empire was deposed by mongrel hordes of Pacmen. All that "war between the states" paintjob did was invite taggers to fix it. :(I think he means this job ... 
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Posted by danny at 103rd street on Fri Mar 20 23:19:18 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by 33rd Street on Fri Mar 20 17:37:53 2009. who? |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Fri Mar 20 23:22:12 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by danny at 103rd street on Fri Mar 20 23:19:18 2009. Steven and Anthony. You know the two who took part in the whole rollsign theft case. I had broght it up but they said something completely unrelated. |
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Posted by danny at 103rd street on Fri Mar 20 23:29:24 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by 33rd Street on Fri Mar 20 23:22:12 2009. I saw them monday at the new terminal. they do look like they are up to no good but whos knows |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 20 23:41:02 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 20 22:30:11 2009. That's how I like to remember the R-10's, with the white/turquoise color scheme. Do you or anyone else recall if this paint scheme was inspired by the fact that these cars (IIRC, the only NYCT cars ever painted this way) were assigned to the (A) and the (then) Rockaway division? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 20 23:55:32 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 20 23:41:02 2009. To be honest, I really don't know as I was about 12 years old when they went for the color scheme. My *understanding* was that it was a bow to the TA's color scheme for the newly arrived "Worlds Fair" cars on the Flushing line and a desire to "modernize" their look. Dunno if that's true or not but that's the story I heard ... |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 21 00:04:48 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 20 23:55:32 2009. That's interesting. I always associated that color scheme with Far Rock and the Rockaway Division, right up until the Ronan Empire came along and everything LAHT got the "Metropolitan" color scheme.IMHO, that blue and silver scheme looked HIDEOUS on the Arnines... |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Mar 21 00:36:56 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 21 00:04:48 2009. I wonder how much did it cost to repaint the R10-R36s and some of the R1/9s into the Silver and Blue scheme? Was there a reason why the TA did it? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 21 00:51:26 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Mar 21 00:36:56 2009. It cost PLENTY ... and unlike before, where the TA purchased HUGE lots of military surplus paint, they spent this time ... the reason was that the good Doctor Ronan, appointed by Rockefeller, wanted ALL of his lovely electric trains to ALL have that fine "Metropolitan" scheme with which his mighty M-1's appeared, right down to the garbage flats. :(If you remember the stainless with BLUE striping on the LIRR when the meatball first took over, he wanted EVERYTHING to look just like those cars. It was HIS way of "marking his territory." That's ALL there was to it. I was working there in 1970 and 1971 which was around the time that Ronan, mighty leader of the LIRR, got word that he also owned a subway. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 21 00:56:05 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 21 00:04:48 2009. We referred to it as the "War between the States" (since you can't say "Civil War") paint scheme. NOTHING attracted more grafitti than that stupid paint scheme and frankly, the grafitti looked BETTER. :(And it was the "Wholly Ronan Empire", yo ... |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Mar 21 06:18:39 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 20 23:55:32 2009. My *understanding* was that it was a bow to the TA's color scheme for the newly arrived "Worlds Fair" cars on the Flushing line and a desire to "modernize" their look. Dunno if that's true or not but that's the story I heard ...True, but someone goofed when deciding the paint scheme since the turquoise paint on the R-10's wasn't a match for the robins egg blue on the R-33/36 WF cars. It turned out a little greenish in color. Another gaff was when the R-38's were designed. The mistake was the pin stripe and letter "T" in the TA logo was light blue but was really supposed to be a darker shade of blue, like the R-32's. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 21 06:45:10 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Mar 21 06:18:39 2009. Damned shutterbugs with their freaking PANTONE technology stuff. Damned BID specs too. Moo. :) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 21 11:12:14 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 21 00:51:26 2009. They must have gotten a helluva deal on that godawful pistachio green paint. There must have been some vendor who was only too happy to get rid of it. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 21 11:13:15 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 20 22:30:11 2009. That's the one! My alltime favorite paint job, too.:) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 21 20:32:24 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 21 11:12:14 2009. US Navy ... :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 21 20:34:25 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 21 11:13:15 2009. That's how I remember them too ... the original paint job (as seen on 1575) was OK, but this was snazzier ... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 21 20:36:08 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 21 20:32:24 2009. I wouldn't doubt it. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 21 20:38:40 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 21 20:34:25 2009. I never saw any R-10s wearing the original scheme. By the time we arrived on the Jersey scene 42 years ago, every A train I saw had the racing stripe look. Very snazzy indeed. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 21 20:42:50 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 21 20:36:08 2009. I asked in the paint shop one day and they showed me some of the cans ... really WAS Navy surplus! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 21 20:48:13 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 21 20:38:40 2009. It was nice looking indeed ... too bad the insides were battleship gray. And ayup ... surplus again. :) |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 21 21:44:22 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Mar 21 06:18:39 2009. Even though the R-38s came after the R-32s there was a remote possibility that the R-38s were going to be painted LAHT instead of stainless. Somewhere, possibly either here or on SubTalk, I'm not sure where, I saw an artist's rendering of what a painted R-38 would have looked like. It had an R-36 style paint scheme but the blue was much lighter more like the color of the blue stripe that the R-38s did have. Actually, I would have liked to see either the R-36 paint scheme or the R-10 racing stripe paint scheme applied to all the painted SMEEs in the fleet. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 21 21:52:24 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 20 23:41:02 2009. I think by the time most of the R-10s received that paint scheme, the Rockaway Division had ceased to exist and was merged into the post Chrystie B-2 Division. Besides that, the Rockaway Division was created only for pick purposes to placate the BMT employees who were displaced by the closing of the Fulton St El. IRT crews were not originally supposed to be involved but they packed a union meeting on the creation of the new division and voted to have the TA include them along with BMT and IND crews. As a result the BMT didn't get as many jobs out of it as was originall intended since the Rockaway Div runs were allotted based on the number of crews on each respective division and since the IRT had the largest number of crews at the time IRT personnel were allotted the largest number of Rockaway runs. Thus the R-10s were never assigned to the Rockaway Division per se but remained with and were maintained and inspected by the IND Division. |
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Posted by Triangle Junction on Sat Mar 21 23:25:32 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 21 20:38:40 2009. Wait, what is the original R10 paint job? The one 1575 sports? |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Mar 22 00:26:47 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by 33rd Street on Fri Mar 20 23:22:12 2009. Dude, leave Steven out of this. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sun Mar 22 00:40:38 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Mar 22 00:26:47 2009. I have no problems with Steven. He seems to be a cool dude. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Mar 22 09:52:25 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 21 20:42:50 2009. Mystery solved!:) You da man! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Mar 22 10:58:36 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by Triangle Junction on Sat Mar 21 23:25:32 2009. Yep. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Mar 22 10:59:30 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 21 20:48:13 2009. Some were bluish gray while others had a greenish hue. Definitely not pistachio, though. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Mar 22 21:11:56 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 21 20:42:50 2009. I asked in the paint shop one day and they showed me some of the cans ... really WAS Navy surplus! :)Olive drab paint in the US Navy ? Shouldn't that be battleship gray ? Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 22 21:31:49 2009, in response to #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by William A. Padron on Fri Mar 20 12:55:37 2009. Yep, 1575 is getting fixed up. It'd be nice to see the two surviving R10s getting on the road sometime. Truth be told, I wasn't a fan of the R10s, but ideally, it would be nice if a representative or two of every car class could be kept operable, and I know how much some folks on here DID love the 10s, and I repsect that.I don't really like the 16/27/30s either, but I'd still catch them on a fan trip or B-Division TOMC. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 22 21:35:58 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 21 00:04:48 2009. I actually think the MTA blue stripe was sharp looking (except on Arnines). Too bad the "public" had to destroy it. As a small child in the 70s, I actually never saw a car with a clean MTA paint job. It's only in pics here and on the TOMC that I've come to like it.But I do agree that R1-9s painted that way look ridiculous. |
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Posted by straphanger9 on Sun Mar 22 22:43:04 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 22 21:31:49 2009. I remember riding an R10 once as a litle kid "the green train"...my ears have been ringing ever since, heh...but it was a cool ride. Didn't know what it was back then but always remember it being green and loud, later on I learned that I was lucky to catch one before they were gone |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Mar 23 08:07:44 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Mar 22 21:11:56 2009. I think Kev is referring to the pistachio green that was liberally applied on interiors. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Mar 23 10:28:39 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Mar 20 20:58:41 2009. Since R-10 #3184 (owned by RPC) was repainted back into its original two-tone grey w/orange stripes, #3189 (owned by the Transit Museum) could easily be painted into the aqua blue/white w/"racing" stripe scheme. By the way, based upon hearing discussions and reading forum messages all these years later (which I can agree in essence), many transit buffs do say the R-10's were at their best looking when they were painted in that bright eye-awakening scheme, first introduced on the cars in 1965-66, that Steve B really champions for and loves.-William A. Padron ["Wash.Hts.-8th Av.Exp."] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Mar 23 10:35:06 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Mar 22 10:59:30 2009. Yeah, a perfect example would be found in Greller's book "New York City Subway Cars". There is a photo of an R-10 car interior, #1848 (renumbered in 1970 as #2995), with that solid green paint scheme (doors and walls) as mentioned.-William A. Padron ["Wash.Hts.-207th St."] |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Mar 23 13:34:29 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by William A. Padron on Mon Mar 23 10:28:39 2009. When they ripped past 81st St n/b, all you saw was a blur of teal and white - and lots of thunder for good measure.:) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 23 16:07:16 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Mar 22 21:11:56 2009. They had the battleship gray from the Navy as well ... but no, the Olive drab probably came from the Army. :) |
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Posted by Gerry6309 on Tue Mar 24 23:03:57 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 22 21:35:58 2009. The R-1-9 cars look great in the traditional Green with "Ciyt of New York" in gold. The one exception being 1575. The R-10 scheme helps tell the story of the car and its rebuilding.As far as the Blue Stripe Scheme was concerned, it looks good when clean, but lousy when dirty or graffitied. My favorite schemes: R-1-9 Pullman Green R-10-12-14 Two tone Gray w/ Orange Stripe R-15...R-36ML Pullman Green or Redbird R-33-36WF Worlds Fair Scheme All Stainless Steel Cars - Blue Stripe (anything but plain stainless - the ad blocks on the R-62s look fine) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 25 15:49:25 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by Gerry6309 on Tue Mar 24 23:03:57 2009. For the R-15s, I prefer their original paint scheme which was maroon with a grey belt trimmed in yellow below the window line. The original solid maroon paint scheme of the R-17s was nice also. |
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Posted by South Ferry on Wed Mar 25 16:10:52 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by straphanger9 on Sun Mar 22 22:43:04 2009. Exactly my recollection. The Dark Olive Green on the C and also on the A tearing down the CPW (always mistook these for the IRT R14s till I learned the "count the doorsets" trick). Earliest B Division ride I remember is the R10s (and boy! they were outstanding). |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 25 20:43:49 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by straphanger9 on Sun Mar 22 22:43:04 2009. They weren't that loud in the late 60s. You never had to hold your ears even when screaming along CPW on the express dash - back when it was actually a DASH and not a leisurely jog. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 25 20:45:55 2009, in response to Re: #1575 Getting TLC At CI Yard., posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 22 21:35:58 2009. The graffiti epidemic hadn't hit yet when the silver-and-blue (or rather, platinum mist-and-blue) scheme began to appear. The first cars to be repainted stayed clean through most of 1971. |
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