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[OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 26 20:21:08 2010 The date is Nov.15, 1962. The Standards seem to be on the inner tracks at Chambers. Since the photo is black and white, judging by the markers, it's tough to discern which route the train is on. Could this be a Chambers St. train via Manhattan Bridge ? Any ideas ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Aug 26 20:43:33 2010, in response to [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 26 20:21:08 2010. Myrtle/Chambers trains turned there before the Chrystie changes of 1967 when the service which became the M was extended to Broad St. |
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Posted by arnine on Thu Aug 26 20:50:13 2010, in response to [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 26 20:21:08 2010. Cool pic :) |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Aug 26 21:07:13 2010, in response to [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 26 20:21:08 2010. This appears to be the newly-installed flourescent light, with the old fixtures still in place, minus their cast-glass holophane shades. The water has yet to do its dirty work. This looks the north stairway on the n/b side, and I'd guess that this is what would be a #10 ("M") service of lower-numbered "B" stock.wayne |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 26 22:23:31 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Aug 26 21:07:13 2010. This appears to be the newly-installed flourescent light, with the old fixtures still in place, minus their cast-glass holophane shades. The water has yet to do its dirty work. This looks the north stairway on the n/b side, and I'd guess that this is what would be a #10 ("M") service of lower-numbered "B" stock.Pre sealed beams too, probably in the late 50's. Bill Newkirk |
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Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station |
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Posted by Ed Alfonsin on Thu Aug 26 23:03:38 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Randyo on Thu Aug 26 20:43:33 2010. I agree that it's a Myrtle-Chambers train, though if it had a white metal disc on the front it could have been a Franklin-Nassau express.Ed Alfonsin Potsdam, New York |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Aug 26 23:50:14 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Ed Alfonsin on Thu Aug 26 23:03:38 2010. How did the Franklin-Nassau Express work? Franklin to CI then to Nassau via West End or Sea Beach? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 27 08:03:31 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Aug 26 21:07:13 2010. Karl B says Chambers St. looked dilapidated even back then. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 27 08:04:29 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Aug 26 23:50:14 2010. The Stillwell-to-Chambers portion ran nonstop along the Sea Beach express tracks. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 27 08:22:19 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 27 08:03:31 2010. I wonder how Karl is doing, he went in for an operation a few weeks ago, and said he would be missing from here for a while. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Aug 27 09:00:57 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 27 08:22:19 2010. He responded to one of my posts a few days ago IIRC |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Fri Aug 27 09:59:28 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 27 08:04:29 2010. wow, nice run |
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Posted by Ed Alfonsin on Fri Aug 27 10:17:07 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Fulton Frank on Fri Aug 27 09:59:28 2010. I used to enjoy the 59th Street--Coney Island run. For Bay Ridge people, it was a great service going back to ancient BMT days. Of course, since it was old BMT and Brooklyn, dropping it was one of the first "improvements" by the TA.Ed Alfonsin Potsdam, NY |
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Posted by 5119 on Fri Aug 27 11:34:44 2010, in response to [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 26 20:21:08 2010. It appears to be the West End Local that ran weekdays from Chambers Street (J Line) to Stillwell via Montague Street tunnel. |
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Posted by Dan on Fri Aug 27 11:43:18 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Ed Alfonsin on Fri Aug 27 10:17:07 2010. The "NX" was a brief re-incarnation of a piece of the old Franklin-Nassau Express. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Aug 27 11:48:38 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 27 08:03:31 2010. I recall it as being dilapidated back then (early 1960's) too. |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Aug 27 13:28:19 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Ed Alfonsin on Thu Aug 26 23:03:38 2010. By 1962, the Franklin/Nassau was no longer running. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 27 13:28:30 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Aug 27 11:48:38 2010. It's been a dump for quite some time. |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Aug 27 13:30:57 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 26 22:23:31 2010. Check the date of the photo. It's 1962 and it took a while for all the steels to receive the seal beams. |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Aug 27 13:33:12 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by 5119 on Fri Aug 27 11:34:44 2010. Check the track and see my other post. The train is a Myrtle/Chambers which used to turn on the middle tracks at Chambers St. The middle tracks can't access the Montague St tunnel. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 27 13:42:10 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 27 08:03:31 2010. My father said that he recalled Chambers St being a mess even when he got back from the military in 1949 and began working full time. |
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Posted by 5119 on Fri Aug 27 14:58:03 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Randyo on Fri Aug 27 13:33:12 2010. Hum? I thought that the Myrtle Express terminated at Canal Street on the J line. (remember seeing one there in 1968). I also remember riding the West End local and catching it at the Chambers Street station. But that was back in 1963 and my memories could be getting blurred. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 27 15:26:27 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by 5119 on Fri Aug 27 14:58:03 2010. No, the Broadway Brooklyn local (14) terminated at Canal. The Myrtle-Chambers (10) terminated at, well you know. |
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Posted by Ed Alfonsin on Fri Aug 27 21:25:40 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Randyo on Fri Aug 27 13:28:19 2010. Didn't suggest it might have been a Franklin-Nassau. I know that the Franklin-Nassau was gone about ten years earlier. It was the use of that track that reminded me of the Franklin-Nassau. I think the LIRR also used that track, didn't it?Ed Alfonsin Potsdam, NY |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Aug 27 23:35:49 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 27 08:03:31 2010. I don't remember rot and ruin on the grand scale we see today - I DO remember DIMNESS and a very VERY creepy feeling, especially in the part of station with the high ceiling. I remember as a little kid being scared of the place when we'd travel back from Brooklyn to Jamaica. That all changed once the flourescent lights came on in '61.I think the original lighting should be restored - at least in part - with metal halide lamps instead of incandescent. And NOT with the kind of "Big Box Store" fixtures they put in at Sutphin/Archer and Jamaica Center. =wayne= |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Aug 28 00:42:41 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Randyo on Fri Aug 27 13:30:57 2010. Check the date of the photo. It's 1962 and it took a while for all the steels to receive the seal beams.You're right, i got fooled by the absence of sealed beams. I thought by 1962 all Standards had sealed beams unless the earlier ones from the 2000, 2100 series didn't with impending replacement by R-27's. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Randyo on Sat Aug 28 03:30:20 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Ed Alfonsin on Fri Aug 27 21:25:40 2010. Back when the LIRR used that track, the connection to the Montague Tunnel had not yet been built and all the BMT trains both Eastern and Southern stub ended there. The Jamaica trains used the present J4 and J2 tracks and the Trains from over the Manny B used the present J1 and J3 tracks. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sat Aug 28 03:31:25 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Aug 28 00:42:41 2010. When the steels were first GOHed, they didn't receive seal beams. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sat Aug 28 03:33:07 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by 5119 on Fri Aug 27 14:58:03 2010. The West end locals were on the OUTSIDE tracks at Chambers. I worked them as a C/R! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 28 08:29:36 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Aug 27 23:35:49 2010. One place that gave me the creeps was the lower level at 42nd St., specifically the underpass. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Aug 28 13:00:37 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Randyo on Sat Aug 28 03:33:07 2010. The only trains which would use the middle tracks at Chambers had to be terminating there from points north. That only leaves the M (Myrtle Ave in those days). Everything that entered from the south and all through trains southbound would have to use the outside tracks, no matter what their route. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sat Aug 28 16:14:29 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Aug 28 13:00:37 2010. Sunny Summer Sunday specials did come from the South over the Manny B since that was the only way they could turn back to get to Franklin via the Sea Beach. Also as I have mentioned many times in many threads. until the through routing of the Jamaica and Brighton lines (QJ) in 1967 ALL trains which passed through Brooklyn enroute Manhattan were NORTHBOUND regardless of their point of origin. Thus trains arriving at Chambers St From Jamaica or Metropolitan were arriving from the SOUTH. The track numbering bears this out since on the BMT/IND even numbered tracks are northbound and odd numbered tracks are southbound. Since there is no longer any through routing of service between the Southern and Eastern divisions of the bMT and the M going towards Ctl is properly NORTHBOUND, there is no reason other than the lack of intelligence on the part of NYCT upper management why J trains should not revert to the pre Chrystie terminology of being northbound to Broad St and southbound to Jamaica. |
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Posted by monorail on Sat Aug 28 16:27:52 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 28 08:29:36 2010. as long as it didn't give you Herpes.... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 28 22:28:45 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by monorail on Sat Aug 28 16:27:52 2010. Luckily no. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Aug 28 22:40:32 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 27 13:42:10 2010. Correct - when I went to high school 1955-1959, it was a disaster. |
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Posted by Karl B on Sun Aug 29 00:12:31 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Aug 28 22:40:32 2010. It's a shame that such a classic station was allowed to deteriorate to such an extent, and remain that way for 60 years.Late evenings in 1954-55 I would occasionally see a string of gate cars on that same track. Most of them would be dark. I often wondered if that was some type of relay point between CI and FPY. |
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Chambers and Nassau service (was: Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station |
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Posted by Ed Alfonsin on Sun Aug 29 00:50:00 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Randyo on Sat Aug 28 16:14:29 2010. It's good to remind people of the BMT "north" and "south" usage. The most interesting was on Nassau Street, with morning rush hour northbound Jamaica expresses, Brighton and Fourth Avenue Specials going to Broad Street and southbound Culver expresses on the same track. Evening rush was interesting also, with southbound Brighton Specials moving toward the Tunnel and southbound Fourth Avenue Specials on the opposite track, going to the Bridge. Is there a picture anywhere of the track directory board at old Stillwell Avenue? I remember as a kid looking at the sign, which had "Sea Beach Express to Chambers Street Track A" and over the words "to Chambers street" was a hinged cover sign that was raised or lowered by a cord so people would know whether the Frnklin-Nassau was running. I think at times Franklin-Nassau service just used tracks C and D (changed to Tracks 3 and 4 after the Culver became a lettered route). Brighton locals were moved from tracks E and F (now 5 and 6) to the Franklin tracks. The change from track letters to numbers was another of those preferences for the IND over the BMT in TA thinking, inherited from the Board of Transportation and anti-BMT mayors. Ed Alfonsin Potsdam, NY |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Aug 29 09:15:12 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Karl B on Sun Aug 29 00:12:31 2010. Karl: Nice to see you back. My own memories of Chambers Street go back to the early 50's. We used to visit relatives in Richmond Hill so we would transfer from the IRT Lexington Avenue Line to the BMT Jamaica Line. Chambers Street was a dark and dank place then and its only gotten worse over the years. I recall that at the north end of the northbound platform there was a long narrow white box with a red (first aid) cross on it. I imagine that there was a stretcher in there. Probably for those who fainted at the sight of the station.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 29 12:37:03 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Randyo on Sat Aug 28 16:14:29 2010. I prefer using actual north/south designations, as it's less confusing description.Such oddities exist today. The NJCL is technically a westbound train to Long Branch, despite the line traveling in a generally eastern direction from South Amboy and the western terminal being technically east of it's "eastern" terminal. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Aug 29 19:21:55 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 29 12:37:03 2010. The problem is that before the line was through routed through the Montague St tunnel, Chambers St was the north terminal for Southern Div trains coming in from the 4 Av and Brighton Lines. As for the Eastern Division, the current M Line lvg Metropolitan is in fact a northbound train since it travels north along 6 Av to get back to Queens. The only reason that the confusion came in was because of the through routing of the Jamaica Line with the Brighton lcl which made it easier to call all CI bound trains Southbound. Unless and until the J line is returned to its former status as northbound to Manhattan and southbound to Jamaica it will be evn more confusing since trains on oppositely described directions will continue to follow each other while still traveling in the same physical direction namely northbound Js following southbound Ms and vice versa. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Aug 29 19:23:21 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Karl B on Sun Aug 29 00:12:31 2010. That would be correct. Trains of gate cars bound for main shop work at CIY would turn at Chambers and go to CIY via the Manny B. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Aug 29 19:39:00 2010, in response to Chambers and Nassau service (was: Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Ed Alfonsin on Sun Aug 29 00:50:00 2010. What made things more confusing on the Nassau St Line is that between Chambers and the Nassau Cut, the tracks are considered Southern Division tracks rather than Eastern and are therefore SOUTHBOUND towards the tunnel and NORTHBOUND towards Chambers St. Although they were considered Southern Div tracks, the tower coverage at Broad St was Eastern Division and Broad St train interval sheets showed all trains coming from Chambers as northbound and all trains going to Chambers as southbound including the West End and Culver trains which were actually going in the railroad opposite direction from the Eastern Division trains with which they shared trackage. As for the naming of IND routes, although the City of NY eventually opted to call IND routes by letters, a system which eventually spread to the BMT, I have seen photos of a mock up of an R-1 subway car which shows a numbered route sign which seems to indicate that the under construction city subway routes were to have continued the BMT route numbering system possibly in anticipation of the BMT taking over the routes in the post Hylan era which wasn't so much anti BMT as it was during the Hylan administration. Since the BMT refused to operate the new subway if it were restricted to maintain the money losing 5 cent fare, the city ended up operating the subway system and since there was at that point to be no continuity between the BMT routes and the new subway routes, a new route system using the now familiar letters was developed. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Aug 29 19:39:21 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 29 12:37:03 2010. The problem is that before the line was through routed through the Montague St tunnel, Chambers St was the north terminal for Southern Div trains coming in from the 4 Av and Brighton Lines. As for the Eastern Division, the current M Line lvg Metropolitan is in fact a northbound train since it travels north along 6 Av to get back to Queens. The only reason that the confusion came in was because of the through routing of the Jamaica Line with the Brighton lcl which made it easier to call all CI bound trains Southbound. Unless and until the J line is returned to its former status as northbound to Manhattan and southbound to Jamaica it will be evn more confusing since trains on oppositely described directions will continue to follow each other while still traveling in the same physical direction namely northbound Js following southbound Ms and vice versa. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 29 21:26:58 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Aug 29 09:15:12 2010. Maybe they fainted at the sight of Vincent Price, dressed as a vampire, slowly appearing from behind a pillar and saying, "Good evening." |
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Posted by Karl B on Sun Aug 29 21:56:59 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Aug 29 09:15:12 2010. Hi Larry,Good to hear from you! You really have some very familiar memories. They're just like mine. :-) Seriously, the last time I saw a picture of that north wall, the bracket that held the stretcher case was still there. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Aug 29 22:19:00 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Karl B on Sun Aug 29 21:56:59 2010. Hi Karl: I think that the stretcher was a leftover from the days of civil defense drills. Do you remember those? In case of a bomb attack we were supposed to get under our desk and cover our heads. Fat lot of good that would have done against an A-Bomb.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Michael Wares on Sun Aug 29 22:58:27 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] BMT Standard In Chambers St. Station, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Aug 29 22:19:00 2010. "In case of a bomb attack we were supposed to get under our desk and cover our heads. Fat lot of good that would have done against an A-Bomb."Depends on how far from the bomb you were. |
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