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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 21:04:51 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 4 12:28:49 2007. The landfill actually closed in 2001. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Nov 4 21:08:05 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 4 06:33:22 2007. The original Six Villages of Brueckelen:Brooklyn, Bushwick, Flatbush, Flatlands, Gravesend and New Utrecht. 1827: Williamsburgh becomes separate village within Brooklyn 1851: Williamsburgh secedes from Bushwick becoming its own city 1852: New Lots secedes from Flatbush. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 4 21:13:13 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 21:04:51 2007. Wasn't it REOPENED after 9/11, and then closed again? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 21:17:12 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 3 11:31:13 2007. I have no prfessional abilities to run any transit system. But my personal intuition (for whatever that's worth) tells me that SIR equipment should be kept as similar as possible to subway equipment. Heavy overhauls are done at CI, and using similar equipment makes that more straightforward.Also, even though it is legally an FRA railroad, 36 years of TA administration (heck, even the 1925 SIRT cars look like Standards) has given it the look and feel of the subway. Since I can't imagine any other body running it in our lifetimes, I'd think it more efficient to stick with this paradigm, which basically seems to work. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Nov 4 21:18:09 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 20:33:39 2007. Thanks for the link. I grew up in Murray Hill, a bit further down the line, but in the 1980s, so I only remember Taystee too.As for posting a link to your link, it's here. I just use the formula way to do it, but I'll do it with parentheses instead of brackets so that you can see it: (a href="http://www.websitenamegoeshere.xxx")your text goes here(/a) For it to come out, you should use right and left brackets, i.e., < > where I've used ( ), correspondingly. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Nov 4 21:27:24 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 21:17:12 2007. Also, even though it is legally an FRA railroad...But SIR is basically legally not an FRA railroad, either, or at least not to the degree where one can call FRA some sort of bogeyman, from what I can tell. Operationally speaking, what's different - paperwork aside - because of the fact of FRA regulation on SIR? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 4 21:31:13 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 4 21:13:13 2007. Yes. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 4 21:32:27 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Nov 4 21:08:05 2007. But what were the original TOWNSHIPS?ROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 4 21:33:01 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 21:17:12 2007. even though it is legally an FRA railroad, 36 years of TA administration (heck, even the 1925 SIRT cars look like Standards) has given it the look and feel of the subwayPATH also has had the "look and feel of (a) subway" for years but is very much a FRA railroad. The 1925 SIRR cars might look like BMT Standards on the outside, but inside, they had commuter rail seats. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 21:36:50 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Nov 4 21:18:09 2007. Thanks for the tip. I really will try it next time.This whole thread is neat for me, as I lived in Flushing till I was 11 (in 1979), and now I live in Staten Island. I've loved trains my whole life, but 'till the internet came along, I had NO IDEA that a railroad once ran in my backyard. So of course, the whole CRRLI story especially fascinates me. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Nov 4 21:38:29 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Nov 3 17:34:18 2007. The only thing is I'd think there'd be a major uproar if they were to get 30+yr old rehabs.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 21:39:14 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 4 21:31:13 2007. It was re-opened only for remains from Ground Zero. Steel and other debris were sorted and subjected to forensic examination there. Also, many human remains as well.AFIK, no "regular" garbage went there during that interval. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 4 21:43:09 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 21:39:14 2007. Yes. So I think the original person was referring to its closing to general garbage "over 10 years ago". |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Nov 4 21:54:02 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 4 21:32:27 2007. Well, the way I read it: the original six were independent towns (townships?) as established in 1683. The other historical dates I could find were as follows:1816: VILLAGE of Brooklyn established within the town of Brooklyn. 1827: VILLAGE of Williamsburgh established within town of Bushwick. 1834: Village and Town of Brooklyn (inclusive) becomes CITY of Brooklyn. 1851: (amending what I had originally posted) VILLAGE of Williamsburgh secedes from Town of Bushwick and becomes CITY of Williamsburgh. So you could infer that the original six towns were the "townships". wayne |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 21:57:27 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 4 21:43:09 2007. Look at page 2 of this document- Fresh Kills received its last barge of garbage on 3/22/01I hope I linked it right, LOL |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 21:59:44 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 4 21:43:09 2007. Look at page 2 of this document- Fresh Kills received its last barge of garbage on 3/22/01http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/fkl/about_fkl.pdf OK, the link didn't come through the first time. Please indulge my posting of a non-linked URL here. I will go back to the guidance "trainsarefun" gave me before. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 4 22:09:44 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 21:59:44 2007. Ah, ok. So the 10 year thing was incorrect. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Nov 4 22:12:07 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 4 21:59:44 2007. linked |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Nov 4 22:14:29 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Nov 3 23:09:02 2007. They sounded exactly like R-6s. And they moved lickety-split, getting up to a solid "A" above middle C, and holding speed there. On 17 November 2001, Simon and I visited the shoppe at Ryde St Johns Road, where a Redbird 38 (Unit 483.007, ex. 10291) was awaiting its final touches. A bogie from the "D" motor of Unit 483.006 (ex. 11297) was dissected for repair on the floor and we peered into the very guts of the beast - freshly-cleaned and ready to roar - the spur-cut bull and pinion gears themselves.According to the Island Line website, these hardy trains are still soldiering on! No plans to replace them yet either. wayne |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Nov 4 23:11:12 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 3 23:36:26 2007. Many!!! The constant error messages making the computer go nuts ( Compressor Pumps down, HVAC load errors, etc.), not to mention the doors that in some cars will not close when u press the buttons (i had this yesterday in GCT), and the end doors can injure your arms because they are damn hard to pull, and when they adjust them they are so easily swung they can hit hard. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 4 23:24:52 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 4 12:10:01 2007. During the debate over Staten Island secession, the issue of city provided services and the tax-base was discussed. Several studies at the time firmly established that the tax-base of Staten Island more than funds the services it recieves, and in fact Staten Island sends a surplus to the rest of the city.There were several articles about this issue in the Staten Island Advance and other newspapers. It is not the case that the city subsidizes Staten Island, but in fact the other way around. At the time, I closely followed that debate on secession, and the changes to New York City's government structure. Of all of the arguments used by opponents of secession (and there were plenty) they did concede that Staten Island does more then pay its way. Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 4 23:52:56 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 4 12:28:49 2007. Staten Island flirted with secession for several reasons:a) Receiving all of the city’s garbage at a landfill called Fresh Kills, an act of Robert Moses; and b) very high bridge tolls on the three bridges to New Jersey, and the one bridge to Brooklyn; and c) Loss of political power thru the Board of Estimate’s demise Mike |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Nov 4 23:55:14 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 4 23:52:56 2007. I wonder if SI would benefit more if their bus lines were operated by NJT rather than NYCT? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Nov 5 08:52:53 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Nov 4 22:14:29 2007. Shades of 1233 ripping past Sutphin Blvd, eh? |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Nov 5 09:40:00 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Nov 4 22:14:29 2007. One of the distinctive sounds of the 38 stock is the clunking noise the camshaft makes during acceleration while moving to different positions. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Nov 5 09:50:22 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 4 23:24:52 2007. That's what I heard/read back then too. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Nov 5 09:56:54 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 4 23:24:52 2007. That depends on how you count it.If Staten Island had to duplicate all of the bureaucracy that you need to run a city, this supposed surplus might not be there anymore. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Nov 5 10:00:12 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Nov 5 09:56:54 2007. Right, there's a lot to be said for regional integration, in terms of pooling resources and having relatively less bureaucracy. Look at local tax rates on LI for what happens with regional disintegration. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Nov 5 10:32:45 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Nov 4 21:54:02 2007. Um no. Townships are specific beasts within New York State. Sort of like sub-counties or something. While it is true that they *could* follow the names of villages or cites within a township, that is not a given.ROAR |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Nov 5 10:36:05 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Nov 4 23:11:12 2007. The M-7 has kind of always been a basketcase. I mean sure they have been improved since, but I think the main issue it too much technology. Working on these trains is a good experience in comfort, but the computer always, and I do mean ALWAYS has something going off!! Most of the issues involve computer components (like the ASI system has a fair number of constant glitches that cause a train to not be able to be programmed, and sometimes in order to correct this, you actually have to go cab to cab to cab and so on to reset the circuit breakers for each ASI system in each car, and that is a HUGE pain in the u you know what!!) I think it should go back to the way trains were always built, good strong mechanical qualities, less on the chips and microprocessors. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Mon Nov 5 10:40:58 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Nov 3 17:34:18 2007. Even for another 10 years, it is not worth rehabbing the R46 just to be sent over to SI when it would be better off to just give SI brand new cars that would last 40yrs.So long as the SIRT runs their trains as a 5-car set [300' trains] then car lengths won't be much of an issue. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Mon Nov 5 10:42:54 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Nov 5 10:36:05 2007. Yeah, if only they didn't scrap all the M1's. Another thing against the M7 are the narrow seats, what where they thinking in designing them? They may as well just take the seats from the retired M1's and install them on the M7. That's how bad imo the M7 seats are. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Nov 5 11:01:43 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Grand concourse on Mon Nov 5 10:42:54 2007. I think it's the internal dimensions too; putting electronic equipment inside the car, disabled room-to-pass, doorway areas, larger bathrooms, etc., all stuck into roughly the same dimensions. Probably one of the only ways to come up with roomier seats might have been to go with 2x2 seating, but that leaves more standees. All that is a long way of saying that I'm not sure whether the older cars' seating would fit into the new M7 cars. |
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Posted by Fytton on Mon Nov 5 11:40:12 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Nov 4 21:38:29 2007. 'The only thing is I'd think there'd be a major uproar if they were to get 30+yr old rehabs.'And just what could the customers do about it, exactly? Their line pays a smaller proportion of its costs through the farebox than any other in New York - they are lucky to still have trains at all! the people on the North Shore of S.I. haven't. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Nov 5 11:49:25 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Nov 5 11:01:43 2007. LION says: 2x2 seating. Add more cars. Add more trains.ROAR |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Nov 5 12:31:43 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 4 12:05:18 2007. So back when I would schedule myself to take the 2107 Bravo out of 86, the B train was a commuter rail line?!?! |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Nov 5 12:32:29 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by R30A on Mon Nov 5 12:31:43 2007. And conversely-- Yesterday when i went to the babylon station without knowing the schedule, it was a rapid transit line? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 5 12:38:11 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by R30A on Sat Nov 3 14:22:59 2007. What's a "rapid transit style line"?Four words: Port Authority Trans Hudson. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Nov 5 13:44:26 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 5 12:38:11 2007. No. PATH is a rapid transit LINE.It is the one subway company that wasnt taken over by the MTA. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Nov 5 19:59:06 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Grand concourse on Mon Nov 5 10:42:54 2007. I am not a big fan of the seats either, and to be honest when I have a seat during deadhead moves, I almost became a casualty of the overly long armrests!!! lol ....that's why I sit away from the aisle side!! I would love to see double leaf doors return. The people really get pissed when we have to dog out the single door and have them all running for the next vestibule or the next car. And the interior indicator light which denotes the door is disabled should be made bigger and more noticeable like the one outside because the present small LED light is not easily noticeable to most customers. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Nov 5 20:06:57 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Nov 5 19:59:06 2007. The people really get pissed when we have to dog out the single door and have them all running for the next vestibule or the next car.On LIRR at least, with the double leaf doors, if one failed, the practice was to cut out the entire door. Obviously that's not the policy on NYCT. I do agree that the inside indicator light should be made brighter, or that failing, turn out the lights in the vestibule so that it's more easily noticed. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Nov 5 20:10:34 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Nov 5 20:06:57 2007. On NYCT, you dog out one single door, the train can still continue in service. If a double door dog out occurs (both doors in the same side of the same vestibule are dogged), they usually do not let it go down the road. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Nov 5 20:13:24 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Nov 4 23:11:12 2007. My issue with the M7 has always been ride quality and too much creaking/squeaking noise. Happily, I've never been on one that broke down. (Yet!) |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Nov 5 20:20:15 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Nov 5 20:13:24 2007. Well I can't say anything bad about ride quality, except when wheel flats are present, and I can not say I notice any big difference in creaks and squeaks from other M-series cars. And believe me I do not look forward to one of my M7 runs crapping out!! lol (Better be careful what I mention.....things have a way of happening after I talk of it!! lol) |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Nov 5 20:24:56 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Nov 5 20:20:15 2007. In terms of ride quality, the ride's usually pretty firm except that it has a tendency to make me feel sway a lot more than the M1/M3 over the same tracks, at least on LIRR; haven't had the pleasure on MNCR yet.... |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Nov 5 20:30:18 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Nov 5 20:24:56 2007. The M3s here can be quite shifty in their ride quality, and I can say I have heard more thumps, bumps and have had plenty of lateral motion (jumpiness and side to side shimmying) on M2/4/6 and M3 cars here more than the M7. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Nov 5 20:59:09 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Nov 5 20:10:34 2007. Either I need a wider monitor or you need a shorter handle. :) |
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Posted by Michael Wares on Tue Nov 6 16:38:25 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Nov 4 10:38:24 2007. I said *Metro-North*, formerly *New York Central*. I didn't say anything about the Long Island. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Nov 7 14:05:55 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Nov 5 08:52:53 2007. Yes, that one and many other outstanding examples of "R" stock on the Jama line - including #1277. The Island Line is for the most part out of doors (there is a short tunnel near Ryde Station) - and at grade. There is also a gap of several miles between two of the stops, which allows these fine old birds to get up to their maximum cruising speed - at least 55, perhaps 60 MPH. No field shunting whatsoever - Pure AMUE bliss.wayne |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Nov 7 14:10:06 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway to get New Trains, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Nov 5 09:40:00 2007. Yes, we noticed that as well - Simon pointed it out to me.The interiors are more reminiscent of the 1959 stock. Gone are the cast glass shovel-type lampshades; replaced by flourescent tubes. But many original touches still remain - the wooden window jambs, the original windscreens, the same cushy seats (albeit with a different blue moquette). Even the original LU roundels over the car ends are still there - but wear different numbers now. Whilst we were at Ryde St Johns, we were allowed out onto the scrap heap to visit a couple of "spares", in positively decrepit condition, rusted within and without, and without a lick of attention. Sad to see them like this, but what can you do? At least there were positive developments within the shoppe, such as the restoration of Unit 483.007. wayne |
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