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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 3 11:41:36 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 09:38:12 2007. From Riverhead to Greenport may not have much traffic now, but I remember pictures of the building of the subways through farm fields and nowhere-land, and guess what. They built it and they came.Long Island can only expand so far, it is an island, after all, but it sure can fill up some of those empty lands out there. Put in a better train service, and the developers will be sure to build houses there. If they think that the Poconos are withing commuting distance to New York City, then Greenport should surely be so too. ROAR |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 11:42:54 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 11:40:16 2007. Well, I think I mentioned my horror on an M7 bathroom once, on my FIRST ride on an M7 on my way home from a Mets game (and thank goodness I had been drinking, otherwise I don't think I would have been able to handle what was going on in that bathroom!!) Oh the humanity!!! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 11:43:15 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 11:10:47 2007. Metro North seems to profit from Amtrak's experiences, given that they share a lot of infrastructure. The LIRR is it's own little world. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 11:45:09 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 11:36:25 2007. Actually, for the LIRR on the diesel trains, there is no such thing as "Old Fashioned PA announcements". Until the 1998 when the old diesels were retired, the announcements were the conductors and trainmen screaming in the doorways...."OOOOOOOOAKDALE!!!!!!" "THIS IS OOOOOOOOAAAAKDALE!!!" "GREEEEEEEEEEAAAAAT RIVER NEXT!!!!!!" |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 11:47:25 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 3 11:41:36 2007. The North Fork has all sort of preservation already in place. Lots of land has seen the building rights bought by Suffolk County. You will not see suburbanization east of Riverhead. To Riverhead, yes, but east of there, no. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 11:47:33 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 3 11:10:23 2007. That's like comparing a half dozen rotten eggs to a full dozen. I have relatives who remember the Conrail days and they are universal with their negative opinions. Except for the New Haven line, since it was not only horrible before the Penn Central merger, it was an unwanted stepchild after it. Conrail was actually a step up from what preceeded it. |
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Posted by mambomta on Wed Oct 3 11:48:44 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Oct 3 11:33:17 2007. You would have had a hard time on fishbowls in a suburban configuration then.Actually, wouldn't he have a problem with any bus in a suburban configuration? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 11:50:27 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 11:27:03 2007. It's interesting to see that the LIRR purchased bi-levels which forced them to invest millions into building high-level platforms all over the system in the late 90's. NJT's bi-level cars can service both high and low level platforms with ease. Perhaps it was just an excuse for the LIRR to use in regards to closing many stations. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 11:50:37 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 11:43:15 2007. Yes, and Metro North has also been lucky enough to benefit from the LIRR's mistakes, as the LIRR was usually first. Metro North was not getting new engines or equipment when the LIRR was, so the MTA didn't make the same mistake with MN when their turn came. And believe it or not, Metro North's rolling stock in the 80's was WAY WAY worse than the LIRR's. SO Metro North got all the trains, while the LIRR kept it's old "not as bad" stuff. Billions had to be pumped into Metro north in the 1980's, which the LIRR didn't need. That's why when the 1990's rolled around, MN looked shiney and new, and the LIRR had turned into a basket case. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 3 11:50:46 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 11:24:07 2007. HISTORY LESSON:1) The LIRR used to use STEAM LOCOMOTIVES 2) The cars were heated with STEAM 3) F-M Consolidations had steam generators: no problem. 4) ALCO Centuries had steam generators: no problem. 5) Old MU cars replace older steam cars: Old MU cars never had steam connections, they never needed any steam. 6) Steam Generators on the ALCOs were surplus, HEP power of some sort from somewhere was required. 7) ALL OF THE ALCO Centuries (save the last four which did remain on the property longer) were leased units and the lease had expired: SOMETHING had to be purchased: Enter the GP38s. These did not need steam generators, the steam heated passengers cars were disappearing. They did not need HEP: the LIRR had already embarked upon creating Generator-Cab cars, ergo: freight locomotives would work just fine. (This is also how my railroad moves the old passenger cars.) 8) Time passes, it is now time to replace the cars, and you may as well replace the locomotives too with something that was designed from the git-go to work together. The last time *that* had occurred on the LIRR the locomotives were steam powered. ROAR |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 11:53:32 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 11:32:14 2007. I'd imagine they'd have been used on the Cannonball during the summer. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 3 11:54:45 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance, close platform gaps?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 3 07:46:34 2007. Accidents may or may not be on the rise. The reporting of such "incidents" are certainly on the rise.Given the latest crop of babies trying to ride on the LIRR, you could surely imagine the rise in stairway related injuries, to say nothing of the delays that such portals force on entrance and egress. There would be such a hew and cry for high level platforms that you would never believe it. ROAR |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 11:55:56 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 11:41:04 2007. Nice shots. Platform palm trees, nice touch. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 11:57:52 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 11:47:33 2007. Lion is going back too far. It WAS a premier railroad in the New York Central's heyday...until the 1950's. Enter Penn Central and the bankrupt Pennsylvania RR and bankrupt New York Central, and throw in the unwanted total basket case New Haven RR, and Penn Central was a disaster from the get go.Lion is missing an entire era. It's not like we jumped from 1953 to 1983. Conrail didn't want the commuter operation when it was formed in 1976, and was FORCED to operate it. While it may have been better than the Penn Central days, it was only slightly so. The MTA had it's work cut out for it in 1983..... The LIRR had it's own problems, but was already owned by the MTA since the 60's. The MTA didn't need to worry about the LIRR in the 80's, but MN needed LOTS of attention. That's why by 1990, MN was all shiney and new looking and the LIRR began to need the help. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 11:58:57 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 11:45:09 2007. LOL. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 11:59:08 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 11:53:32 2007. No, they used the old parlor cars on the Cannonball. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 12:01:08 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 11:55:56 2007. The landscaping at all San Diego Coaster stations is top notch. In fact, most of California's stations are beautiful and landscaped. The LIRR and Metro North should take some lessons... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 12:01:49 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 11:57:52 2007. Maybe that explains why the LIRR retained it's old diesel equipment for so long. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 12:02:20 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 11:58:57 2007. Hahaha, but seriously, there were no PA systems! That's really how the stations were announced!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 12:03:46 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance, close platform gaps?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 3 07:46:34 2007. Perhaps, but most of the accidents, IINM, is not at any of the new platforms put up in the 1990's, but at all the other ones that were already there..... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 3 12:08:25 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 11:32:14 2007. I saw them advertised on some resaler's website. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Oct 3 12:08:52 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 3 12:08:25 2007. No way! Me too!... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 3 12:10:02 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance, close platform gaps?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 3 11:54:45 2007. The reporting of such "incidents" are certainly on the risePlease, no equivocation. Given the latest crop of babies trying to ride on the LIRR, you could surely imagine the rise in stairway related injuries, to say nothing of the delays that such portals force on entrance and egress Sorry; it ain't the riders. There are babies everywhere; and they are not hurting themselves on the vestibule stairs of Metra, NJT, MBTA, NICTD, MARC, VRE, SEPTA, TRE or even Amtrak. There would be such a hew and cry for high level platforms that you would never believe it In your dreams. Reality crushes your hypotheses. LIRR got the problems, not the railroads with the low platforms. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 12:18:22 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance, close platform gaps?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 3 12:10:02 2007. I actually agree. WHile I discussed "why" the LIRR put their stupid high level platforms up, I didn't say it was a good idea.The LIRR operated just fine with OPEN doors and stairs on their old trains until 1998, and it didn't cause a problem. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 12:20:03 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 3 12:08:25 2007. Where are they now? I remember about 8 years ago seeing some stored in Speonk Yard. I remember that being odd because they never ran on the Montauk branch, and remember thinking it was so odd to see them there. I know they are not there now. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 12:26:16 2007, in response to LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 2 17:32:40 2007. The old LIRR diesels and coaches had some life left in them....this is former LIRR F9A #619....in it's new life on the Seminole Gulf Railroad in Florida: Here's a photo I took of my old friend #619 (which was the one oddball F unit they had, it was a little larger than the rest of the F's). 619 looks sharp now, but Sniff, sniff, this was in Patchogue, before they ruined the LIRR with high level platforms. I don't care, the LIRR was better before 1998..... This was taken around 1993.  |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 12:34:29 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance, close platform gaps?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 12:18:22 2007. The problem with the old LIRR cars were that they aren't ADA compliant. You can't really use a wheelchair on any train servicing low level stations. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 12:35:27 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 12:26:16 2007. Hey Chris, here's a photo I found on the Seminole Gulf RR's website from the interior of one of the old LIRR diesel coaches! They have a former LIRR trainset they have all fixed up, and F9A ex-LIRR unit 619 (now their 501).Here's a photo of the inside of the old train, and it looks JUST like I remember, minus the decorations of course.... It still has the MTA seats!!!  Here's LIRR #619, now their 501: 
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 12:39:19 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 12:26:16 2007. Did they move the station when they put the high levels in Patchouge? It doesn't look like the same location. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 12:40:54 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 12:35:27 2007. That's the first interior shot I've seen. Definatley looks better inside than outside. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 12:46:47 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 12:40:54 2007. ...I told you they looked a lot like the M1's seating.... |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Oct 3 12:50:31 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance, close platform gaps?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 12:34:29 2007. That's what mini-high platforms are for. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 12:56:03 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 12:39:19 2007. No, it's in the same exact location....Here's some before and during photos I took all through the 90's....     
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 12:57:11 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance, close platform gaps?, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Oct 3 12:50:31 2007. If you're gonna do that, why not go all the way so that you can exploit the other advantages of high-level platforms? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Oct 3 12:57:25 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance, close platform gaps?, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Oct 3 12:50:31 2007. They are also good for shooting over people's heads.
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 12:57:35 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance, close platform gaps?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 12:57:11 2007. Right, and that's what the LIRR decided to do. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 13:00:02 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 12:56:03 2007. Nice. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Oct 3 13:09:46 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance, close platform gaps?, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Oct 3 12:50:31 2007. Not cost-effective on a high-volume railroad. Even SEPTA installed high platforms at higher-traffic stations closer into the city center, and SEPTA has nowhere near the kinds of passenger loads LIRR or Metro-North have. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Oct 3 13:52:03 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 09:51:58 2007. Thank you! |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Oct 3 13:53:13 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 3 10:10:49 2007. They probably are. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Oct 3 14:52:35 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 2 20:06:05 2007. Totally obsolete, and needs to be upgraded to catenary like every other electrified commuter railroad.You certainly won't see that south of London... |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Oct 3 15:00:14 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Oct 2 20:38:23 2007. Japan (even in the Tokyo Metro)Aside from the high speed lines, there are only two lines that use AC catenary in Greater Tokyo and they are 30km north of Tokyo (They are sort of the "New Haven" lines of Tokyo). Every other line uses DC catenary. That includes some sleeper/night train DC only EMUs that run overnight to the West (see below). 
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Oct 3 15:05:11 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 12:35:27 2007. All I remember is their windows being dirty... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 15:09:09 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Oct 3 15:05:11 2007. They weren't dirty they were so old, that the plexiglass discolored, and you couldn't see out of them anymore, mostly the south side of the trains..... I would imagine the Seminole Gulf RR wound up changing all the windows, as you certainly couldn't see out in the end. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Oct 3 15:11:15 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Neil Feldman on Tue Oct 2 22:44:10 2007. I tried to Google "36 point jumpers" to see if I can find some info and all I got was basketball related pages. Adding quotation marks or the word "LIRR" would only give me this thread. Adding words like "coach", "coaches", "loco", "locomotive" or moving the quotation marks didn't help at all. They use those words in basketball! LOL. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Oct 3 15:13:11 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 10:18:59 2007. Athough it's a problem if they are frequent, mechanical issues with doors can happen to any passenger stock. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Oct 3 15:21:01 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 3 15:09:09 2007. That's probably it. Anyway, I couldn't see out. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Oct 3 15:51:42 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 3 10:05:22 2007. That's what I thought originally. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Oct 3 16:02:23 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Oct 3 15:13:11 2007. Yes that's true. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Oct 3 16:15:40 2007, in response to Re: LIRR needs to improve ROW maintenance; new dieseld, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Oct 3 14:52:35 2007. "Totally obsolete, and needs to be upgraded to catenary like every other electrified commuter railroad."You certainly won't see that south of London... Or under the Mersey... |
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