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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 19 20:20:36 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Feb 19 19:05:39 2016. Plus then there will be a need for another 30 cars when the Q is extended to 96th. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Feb 20 00:02:19 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 19 19:22:02 2016. Nah, #2 pencils are becoming a thing of the past.They are using a computer now. But they still can't stock enough soap, toilet paper and paper towels in the latrines. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Feb 20 00:05:27 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by SI 93 on Fri Feb 19 20:09:23 2016. Re-read what you're responding to.Car availability will be tighter than ever, unless we have them ride in yellow equipment. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Feb 20 00:09:01 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 19 19:53:25 2016. I don't see R160's on the D.If anything CCYD will have to transfer a train to CI and get by with a lower spare factor of 8 cars. Which puts pressure on the barn to have the cars available. |
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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?. |
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Posted by INDviaCulver on Sat Feb 20 00:13:44 2016, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by randyo on Sun Dec 20 15:39:48 2015. When the RR train ran to Astoria, during peak hrs, trains left Astoria every 4 mins during the AM peak hr, and in Manhattan, there was am RR every 4 mins Northbound during the peak period. |
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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Feb 20 00:24:29 2016, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by INDviaCulver on Sat Feb 20 00:13:44 2016. It is the same today in the rush. An N every 8 minutes and a Q every 8 minutes.Combined headway = a train every 4 minutes. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 06:41:26 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 19 20:20:36 2016. The W implemented before the SAS will require 50 cars out of thin air.Diverting the Q from Astoria to 96th will then save 20 cars. |
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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 06:42:14 2016, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Feb 20 00:24:29 2016. But 95th Street got screwed. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 20 07:39:10 2016, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 06:42:14 2016. BUT everybody here tells me that 95th Street does not need that much service. Everytime I propose increased service on the RR they say 95th doesn't need that service.OTOH... Apparently Sea Beach can get by with less service than 95th. ROAR |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 20 07:40:22 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Feb 20 00:02:19 2016. No news there, same as it ever was. :)Hope you're enjoying your time away from the zoo. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 20 07:41:48 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 06:41:26 2016. So, Is the LION to transfer 30 cars from his railroad to make up your shortfall?GRRRRrrrrr |
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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Feb 20 07:45:01 2016, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Feb 20 00:24:29 2016. It is the same today in the rush. An N every 8 minutes and a Q every 8 minutes.Combined headway = a train every 4 minutes. The problem is the headways are not evenly spaced. Here's the schedule at Queensboro Plaza. Note the 6 1/2 minute gap between the N at 7:47:00 and the Q at 7:53:30. You can cut and paste into a spreadsheet. 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Re: Its Offical: W train returning |
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Posted by SI 93 on Sat Feb 20 08:43:12 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 20 07:40:22 2016. Where are they going to get the extra cars since the R179 haven't arrived yet, are they:-Going to transfer some R46 from Pitkin Yard over to Jamaica Yard, then Jamaica Yard transfers some of their R160 over to Coney Island Yard to cover the W train? |
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Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Feb 20 08:45:32 2016, in response to Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 19 18:14:00 2016. The Q ought not stop serving Queens, methinks.Do elaborate, if you would. |
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Re: Its Offical: W train returning |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 20 09:13:33 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 06:41:26 2016. No.Implementing the W from Whitehall to Astoria at 6 tph will require 100 cars. Cutting the Q back to 57th will save 50, leaving a net of 50 extra cars needed to run the W and shorten the Q. Then extending the Q to 96th at 8 tph will require 30 cars. So 50 cars are needed when the W starts and 30 more when the SAS starts. |
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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Feb 20 09:19:17 2016, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 06:42:14 2016. When all those trains left Astoria, many dropped out at 36/4 and laid up. |
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Re: Its Offical: W train returning |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Feb 20 09:21:35 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 20 07:40:22 2016. Indeed. I just miss some of the "animals". I worked with a lot of cool people. |
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Re: Its Offical: W train returning |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 09:56:26 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 20 09:13:33 2016. You're right. I wasn't thinking clearly at 6am. |
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Re: Its Offical: W train returning |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 10:02:59 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by SI 93 on Sat Feb 20 08:43:12 2016. In the short run, I think R service will get worse.ENY does not have any equipment CIY needs (R32, R42, R160 as only 8 car sets). So they have to hit only Pitkin, Concourse, Jamaica, and Coney Island for shop margin. If Jamaica Yard is short 1 train set some AM rush, they'll whack an R frequency rather than an E or F. The other alternative is to cut AM rush service everywhere. Seems most lettered lines need 1 or 2 more trainsets in the AM rush than the PM, That inefficiency could just mean they have to make do with as many sets in the AM as they get in the PM. With reduced switching between local and express tracks in the 42nd - 49th Street areas, we'll see how much improvement in R reliability that brings. I suspect, not much. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 10:05:09 2016, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Feb 20 07:45:01 2016. Uneven spacing so as to shoehorn in R trains in the longer gaps, correct ? Whether Q or W, that will always be. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Feb 20 10:17:52 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 19 19:19:58 2016. "...they now need 5 trainsets from somewhere."3-D printing? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 10:21:04 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Feb 20 10:17:52 2016. I was thinking of TTC H-6 trains, which would be only 26 years old. But they were 4" too fat, had to be re-gauged, and every single one of them got cut up in 2014 and 2015. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Feb 20 10:35:30 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 10:02:59 2016. It's practically the same thing. Instead of the Q cutting in north of 34th it will be the N. The only real difference is that instead of a merge happening just south of Prince (with the N), the merge will probably be much more controllable at Whitehall with the W (more controllable since the W is originating there).Going south, the R currently should not be held up at 42nd because even if it is behind a Q the Q has no competition in diverging to the express track. After the changes, the N will have competition with the Q in this regard. In exchange, all of the Prince St drama will be eliminated. The number of merges doesn't change, but hopefully the convenience of one of those merges being with the W train at Whitehall, which should be an easy blend in, makes things a little better. It's a shame that there seems to be no feasible alternative to the Bay Ridge service going to Forest Hills. If it can only be restructured. . .but I can't figure out a good way to do it. |
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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Feb 20 10:37:59 2016, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 10:05:09 2016. This may be a period, however, where schedules are best thrown out the window. Leaving a scheduled gap for the R that may or may not be ready to go at the time of that gap can cause a significant ripple effect. May be better to just run the N and Q evenly and then make room for the R as needed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 10:48:15 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Feb 20 10:35:30 2016. Send the W to 95th full time, the R to Whithall, but then the W would have no place to call home. |
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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 10:49:29 2016, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Feb 20 10:37:59 2016. If they make room now for the R, it is still a mess, so it probably makes no difference. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 20 11:19:30 2016, in response to Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Feb 20 08:45:32 2016. The borough is the source of the letter designation. Just like when it was the "QB". |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Feb 20 11:23:03 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 10:02:59 2016. From a previous message:"With reduced switching between local and express tracks in the 42nd - 49th Street areas, we'll see how much improvement in R reliability that brings. I suspect, not much." I suspect that even with any improvements with the switching of other trains that the R-train line will still be criticized. I suspect that even if the R-train did not share its tracks with another train line, had a higher frequency of service, and its trains were made of plated gold - there would still be criticism. The R-train is "slow", "it makes too many stops", it "goes downtown", it "has crawl by City Hall", "its all local in Queens, Manhattan and Brooklyn", "there's not much we can do about the R-train"., etc. Basically the R-train is simply not an easy line to tinker with, especially for those who would like to "tinker". While there are plenty of options "by the tracks" none of those options are extremely clearly better than what is being done now. The R-train is an all local route and all local routes "get no respect" even if the R-train plays an important role in Queens, Manhattan and Brooklyn. Express train routes get love and attention - basic every day all local routes do not. Even Wallyhorse has stopped making plans concerning the R-train! (LOL) Most of the recent discussion have been about leaving the R-train "as is" and tinkering with the other lines. Just a thought. Mike |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 11:26:49 2016, in response to Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 20 11:19:30 2016. Q means Broadway-Brighton, not Queens, just as N means Broadway-Sea Beach. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Feb 20 11:36:28 2016, in response to Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 20 11:19:30 2016. "The borough is the source of the letter designation. Just like when it was the "QB"."Since when? In the past there were QB's, QT's, TT's, QJ's, RJ's, RR's, N's, NX's, M's, MJ's, plus there were also AA's, BB's, CC's, EE's, GG's, HH's, KK's, LL's. Then there were roll signs with MM's, V's, W's, and other variations of terminal pairings for many routes. The designation M-train had NOTHING to do with the fact that Manhattan was a borough that was served! Never did! Mike |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Feb 20 11:51:38 2016, in response to Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning, posted by Michael549 on Sat Feb 20 11:36:28 2016. It's my understanding that route letter assignments as first used by the IND were roughly based on the northern terminal of the route. If you look at the subway map today you can still see the pattern. Later the BMT route lettering followed that same rough pattern.Was there a pattern to the old BMT route number assignments? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Feb 20 11:53:04 2016, in response to Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 20 11:19:30 2016. No way, Q always meant Brighton.A=Washington Heights to 8th B=Washington Heights to 6th (though this was lost in the 90s swap with the C) C=Concourse to 8th (though this was lost in the 90s swap with the B) D=Concourse to 6th E=Queens to 8th F=Queens to 6th G=Crosstown H=Rockaways J=Nassau Street to Jamaica Av K=General Extra (latest use was 8th Ave) L=14th / Canarsie M=Nassau Street to Metropolitan (Lost in 2010) N=Sea Beach to Broadway Q=Brighton to Broadway (though orange Q was used in the 90s) R=4th Ave Local to Broadway S=Shuttle T=West End to Broadway (though is no longer necessary and may be moved to SAS) V=6th Ave Extra W=Broadway Extra Z=Nassau Street extra Should it happen that a service is developed that does not reflect the above routings (e.g. the Sea Beach line started going to 6th Ave) then chances are the Manhattan mainline would take precedence. For example, if the Concourse to 6th Ave service ever went to Sea Beach it would probably be the D (and there would be no N). |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat Feb 20 12:04:02 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 19 19:19:58 2016. Tell Bombardier to build the R 179s.Although I have been told that for some reason techie types are immune to being told "Just f***ing do it." |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 12:07:30 2016, in response to Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning, posted by Michael549 on Sat Feb 20 11:36:28 2016. When the Eastern Division was allotted J thru M, they probably tried to align J for Jamaica, M for Myrtle, then K and L went to whichever was left. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 12:09:23 2016, in response to Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning, posted by Dan on Sat Feb 20 11:51:38 2016. Single digit: Southern Division, though 8 and 9 were suppressed.Double digit: Eastern Division. You'd think they would try to align #4 with 4th Avenue, but no. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 12:11:40 2016, in response to Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Feb 20 11:53:04 2016. I suppose P would have been a BMT Culver. |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Feb 20 12:19:18 2016, in response to Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 12:09:23 2016. Only ones I know-1-Brighton express(?) 4-Sea beach 5- Culver 15-Bway-Jamaica Ave |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 20 12:23:46 2016, in response to Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning, posted by Dan on Sat Feb 20 12:19:18 2016. 1 - Brighton2 - 4th Ave. 3 - West End 4 - Sea Beach 5 - Culver 6 - 5th Ave. el 7 - Brighton-Franklin Ave. 8 - Astoria 9 - Flushing 10 - Myrtle-Chambers 11 - Myrtle-Jay 12 - Lexington Ave. el 13 - Fulton St. el 14 - Broadway-Brooklyn 15 - Jamaica 16 - 14th St.-Canarsie 17 - 14th St.-Fulton St. (never appeared as a marking) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 20 12:28:38 2016, in response to Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 11:26:49 2016. That's right. "Q" had nothing to do with Queens just as "B" has nothing to do with Brooklyn (although the B does run there) and "M" has nothing to do with Manhattan (I know, the Moe now runs there). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 20 12:28:56 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Feb 20 09:21:35 2016. One of the things that kept me coming back here, and subtalk before. Pity so many of our compatriots no longer hang out here. :( |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 20 12:29:34 2016, in response to Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 11:26:49 2016. That's right. "Q" had nothing to do with Queens just as "B" has nothing to do with Brooklyn (although the B does run there) and "M" has nothing to do with Manhattan (I know, the Moe now runs there).P. S. Those borough letters are relevant on bus routes. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 20 12:30:01 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by SI 93 on Sat Feb 20 08:43:12 2016. My guess is that if they don't have the cars, they'll have to shave the intervals and reduce service. That's been done in the past. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 20 12:31:02 2016, in response to Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 12:07:30 2016. And by sheer coincidence, those letters match those of the Three Stooges; hence the Three Stooges Division.J - Curly (real name Jerome) L - Larry M - Moe Z - sZemp |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 20 12:32:56 2016, in response to PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offical? W train returning, posted by Union Tpke on Fri Feb 19 13:11:15 2016. Hey, they've got my vote.:) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Feb 20 12:47:01 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 10:48:15 2016. W would have no direct yard access. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Feb 20 12:51:35 2016, in response to Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning, posted by Dan on Sat Feb 20 11:51:38 2016. Not dis-agreeing.My point is that the route name had little to nothing to do with the borough name. That is unlike the bus system - where the Bx19 represents the Bronx bus number 18, while the B19 represents the Brooklyn bus number 19. There are other examples for bus routes in NYC. For the subways there is not something equivalent. That was my point. Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Feb 20 13:09:54 2016, in response to Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 12:07:30 2016. "When the Eastern Division was allotted J thru M, they probably tried to align J for Jamaica, M for Myrtle, then K and L went to whichever was left."You may have a point that the above was the thinking of the TA when they created the route letters. Some times here are just "two happenings happening at the same time". Simply an example - in the early 1930's when it was just the A, AA, C and CC trains on the Eighth Avenue line, and the C and CC trains plied the Concourse line in the Bronx. Many folks could have easily suspected that the Municipal Subway folks named the C and CC routes for "Concourse". -- This is an entirely different scheme than our current bus systems - where the Bx44 represents the Bronx bus number 44 and S-44 represents the Staten Island bus number 44. In that case there is a direct tie between the Borough name and the route name of the line. We did not have that in the subways. There may have been a few connections between neighborhood terminals or areas like your association of the J and M trains to Jamaica and Myrtle Avenue, but never a full-fledged scheme involving other subway lines as a whole. I think the statement connecting the route QB to mean "Queens-Brooklyn" or "Queens - Brighton" to be false inference. Besides the RR, TT, and QT - there has been a whole mess of train service names and routes to/from Astoria for such a simple equation. Mike |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 13:59:25 2016, in response to Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: It's Offal? W train returning, posted by Michael549 on Sat Feb 20 13:09:54 2016. QB meant Brighton-BridgeQT meant Brighton Tunnel. If they had just one, and not the other, I suppose it would have been QQ. A/B, C/D, E/F seemed to be a clockwise ascending sequence As for N/Q/R/T for Sea Beach/Brighton/4th Av/West End, I don't know how they came up with that. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Feb 20 14:07:26 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by Michael549 on Sat Feb 20 11:23:03 2016. Being all local would be less ugly if the expresses ran often and fast enough to let one "leapfrog" the local. When my sister lived at the end of the R she hated the slog home from the Metropolitan Opera at night. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 20 15:04:28 2016, in response to Re: Its Offical: W train returning, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Feb 20 12:47:01 2016. I'm sure it's been floated here before, but he "W" should run to 9th Ave, Brooklyn, to supplement the "R" service, north of 36th St/4th Ave. |
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