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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Dec 4 10:35:44 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Dec 4 08:10:02 2013. I'm surprised that this doesn't cause wrecks far more often. It's probably happened hundreds of times on MN and other railroads, it just happens that whatever curve the engineer zoned out for wasn't sharp enough to derail the train. The only way around humans is to have another human to back the engineer up (i.e. a fireman) or to have PTC. |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 4 10:50:16 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Dec 4 10:35:44 2013. Go Back! Go Back through the NTSB archives, as has done the LION, and discover, you will, many accidents where both the conductor and the engineer were asleep.PTC is the best back up there is for human shortcomings, and indeed MTA has already let contracts for a PTC overlay on the MNCR and LIRR railroads. ROAR |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 11:08:09 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 4 07:41:21 2013. Who's saying it is criminal?Let's see........"82 MPH, CRIMINAL?", 12/02/2013 NY Daily News front page headline.........this spoke for itself, and once this was out, all of a sudden out come the other neysayers of the media spewing forth questions of whether or not this is a criminal act or criminality is involved, when even before the day Sunday ended, the authorities had already ruled out criminality, except a DA in the Bronx seemingly trying to make a name for himself by trying to dig around for evidence of criminality when he isn't going to find any!! This was a tragic accident, not an act of criminality. And inattentiveness does NOT equal criminality. And about blame, everything you said is a no brainer and all you did was state the obvious there. If, thru the investigation, FACTS show blame, yes he will be at fault and will face the music over it. Again, I repeat the word FACTS, not uneducated heresay or good sounding implications. And everything said about him is on the money, he's a great guy and a great engineer, and this is just a terrible accident, and the opinionated ones need to wait for the facts before making snap judgments!!!! When you work in this business and come to know people, and know their work ethic and professionalism, yes you will voice outrage too. |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by jabrams on Wed Dec 4 11:13:35 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by blue8irt on Tue Dec 3 18:54:59 2013. Sensational headlines sells more papers! |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by Robert From Queens on Wed Dec 4 11:19:52 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 11:08:09 2013. Paul:I'm glad you're refuting the Daily News and Post mentality of "guilty until proven innocent." The Times has taken a completely different tactic, and is reporting the story the way it should be - "innocent until proven guilty." The Daily News is now as big a rag as the Post - I wouldn't wrap fish in either one. Any thoughts about writing a letter to the editor of either paper? I think your status as an employee - and someone who worked with Mr. Rockefeller - carries much weight. Robert |
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Re: Oft asked question Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Dec 4 11:34:33 2013, in response to Re: Oft asked question Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 3 12:51:19 2013. Many years ago, a track foreman told me that when a train is in push mode, there is more stress on the rails generated by the truck closest to the engine, recieving all the locomotives torque.However, the increased stress is well within tolerated limits (so he says) therefore no restrictions or limits on the use of push pull trains. Push pull trains have been around for generations & I've never heard of pushing being a direct cause of a derailment...anywhere. |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 4 11:57:27 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Robert From Queens on Wed Dec 4 11:19:52 2013. I wouldn't wrap a fish in either one either.I would not wrap a dead fish at all, way bother, the BEAR will eat it as it is. ROAR |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Dec 4 12:18:43 2013, in response to A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Dec 3 17:10:18 2013. While I recognize that Mr. Rockefeller is a trusted colleague of yours, I find your request that people should pipe down to be a bit unrealistic.Fact is, the man screwed up. Why he screwed up may still be open to discussion. Whether or not his screw-up was criminal may or may not be the subject of a jury trial someday -- but his own union rep and his own lawyer decided to violate NTSB confidentiality by disclosing that he was effectively asleep at the throttle. The only logical reason for the union rep and attorney to do this is to build public sympathy for him in order to minimize or eliminate possible criminal charges. Once you intentionally violate confidentiality and non-disclosure you can't expect the rest of the world to put the cat back in the bag for you. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 4 12:22:45 2013, in response to Re: Oft asked question Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Dec 4 11:34:33 2013. I think it safe to assume that 82 on a 30 is well beyond the "tip-over" threshold. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Dec 4 12:31:27 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 4 10:50:16 2013. That's true. Two humans can fail too. I.e. Ricky Gates and pot-smoking buddy. They are doing PTC now because of the mandate, but if they hadn't dragged their feet on it for over a decade, this accident wouldn't have happened. |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Dec 4 12:32:38 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Robert From Queens on Wed Dec 4 11:19:52 2013. The Daily News is obviously a rag, just look at it. Still entertaining to read, as long as you don't give completely credibility to what's in it. |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 4 12:41:13 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 11:08:09 2013. First, that headline you quoted has a question mark in it. Does that not mean they are asking if it is criminal? You claimed someone was saying that it WAS criminal. Big difference.Second, by stating that there was no criminality, aren't you guilty of hypocrisy? You say that we should withhold judgment until all the facts are revealed but then you go and state that this wasn't criminal before all the facts have come out. Third, no, that's not what I did. I said that assuming reports of his admission are correct, then the blame does fall on him. So it's ok to blame him right now as long as that caveat is included. In your rant you said that we could not place blame at this time. Fourth, based on what I wrote originally as well as what I just wrote in this reply, I still believe that your rant is ridiculous and unwarranted. |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 4 12:52:18 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Charles G on Wed Dec 4 12:18:43 2013. Great post. |
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Re: Oft asked question Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 4 13:07:29 2013, in response to Re: Oft asked question Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 4 12:22:45 2013. Actually not.Basic physics: Radial acceleration = v^2/r, where v = speed and r = radius of the curve. Leverage factor because of high center of gravity is approximately = (height of center of gravity above rails) / (1/2 the distance between the rails) = approx. 6/2.35 = 2.5. Speed = 82 mph = 120 feet/sec. Looking at an arial Google view, raidus = about 1000 feet. So radial acceleration times leverage factor = 120^2 x 2.5 /1000 = 36 ft/sec/sec. You need 1 g = 32 ft/sec/sec of upward acceleration to lift the outer wheel off the rail, so even at 82 mph the train barely exceeded that. I admit the 1000 foot curve radius is an estimate and the 2.5 leverage factor is too. And trains might not behave exactly the way simple physics says they do. But I truly believe that if the train had been going 60 mph it would have stayed on the rails. It's the square of the speed that matters, and 60^2 is a lot less than 82^2, even though it's still 4 times 30^2. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Dec 4 13:17:10 2013, in response to Re: On Track 2?, posted by Joe on Wed Dec 4 09:41:07 2013.   |
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(NTSB press conference 3 & B-roll youtube); Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Dec 4 13:24:52 2013, in response to Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Dec 1 07:55:15 2013. B-roll video: |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by Robert From Queens on Wed Dec 4 14:06:37 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Dec 4 12:32:38 2013. They claim to be a "blue collar" newspaper.If Mortimer Zuckerman and his editorials are blue collar, then the sun must rise in the West. Robert |
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Posted by Robert From Queens on Wed Dec 4 14:10:05 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 4 12:41:13 2013. Please keep in mind how hard it is to prove something criminal.The bus driver who went to sleep at the wheel and crashed, killing 15? Judged NOT to be a criminal. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Dec 4 14:50:11 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 11:08:09 2013. "82 MPH, CRIMINAL?", 12/02/2013 NY Daily News front page headlineLike it or not, this is what sells papers. And that's what the local rags are looking to do. Tabloid journalism at its finest. A shrieking headline and then, perhaps, the actual facts in the article. --Mark |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Dec 4 14:50:39 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Robert From Queens on Wed Dec 4 14:06:37 2013. Oh please. Blue-collar newspapers don't have to run an editorial line that uncritically defends/whitewashes every unionized "brother" all of the time. |
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Posted by Robert From Queens on Wed Dec 4 15:22:57 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Dec 4 14:50:39 2013. Are you a sports reporter?I made a comment - Mort Zuckerman is a major shareholder in Boston Properties and a Billionaire. Is this not fact? Their editorials imho are anything but blue collar favorable - MY OPINION. Robert |
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Posted by Robert From Queens on Wed Dec 4 15:24:27 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Dec 4 14:50:11 2013. Mark:You're being way too kind - especially about the Post. Other than sports, I don't think they know what facts are. Robert |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 4 15:37:09 2013, in response to A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Dec 3 17:10:18 2013. Amen! I know all too well the media circus and the Court of Public Opinion lynch mob mentality that wants blood even before the facts come out. |
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Posted by Robert From Queens on Wed Dec 4 16:13:11 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 4 15:37:09 2013. Agreed. |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Wed Dec 4 16:48:39 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 4 01:23:37 2013. Thank you for your post. |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 18:28:25 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Charles G on Wed Dec 4 12:18:43 2013. The union messed up and messed up BIG!!!! That was the talk of the town today, believe me. How much that would hurt the defense of Mr. Rockefeller, we will see. But yes, that confidentiality breach was definitely damning, to say in the least. Again, what effect that will all have, we shall soon see.As for what I said, I stand by it, the majority agree, and yes let us wait till the full FACTS come out before dropping the bombs of judgment here. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 18:33:35 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 01:25:33 2013. Well the work loads have increased, and that is to be expected. Yes, each individual employee is responsible for getting a good amount to rest in order to be fully sharp to perform duty. But the reality of the world is that time is short and the time is fast, and yes you still have to live life and get things done, especially for family people like myself. While I admit I have pushed rest, I never allow myself to ever wear myself out and not get proper rest to the point where it can have detrimental effect on my duties. One has to find their balance when it comes to rest, amd a good balance at that. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 18:38:25 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Orion in Chains on Tue Dec 3 17:59:46 2013. Just telling it like it is. I mean this whole tragedy is very much huge on Mr. Rockefeller's mind, and it a truly killer load to bear and it will be probably forever. But neysayers, people looking to sell more periodicals, and those who simply do not have the knowledge of the business and the facts of this incident at hand only add more stress and more load to bear on an already difficult situation. I aay yes give the guy a break, let the authorities do what they must to get THE FACTS, and reserve judgment for when all truth is said and declared. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 18:41:07 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Tue Dec 3 20:06:36 2013. Thank you for clearly corroborating what I stated. I am sorry you had to experience that. I bet when it was all said and done you probably did NOT get any apology.Sad thing is, auras are what last in this business, auras and stigmas, and those tend to lurk around for entire careers. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 18:42:38 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 4 15:37:09 2013. Thank you. Look at the headlines and article headers in both the trash rags, aka the NY Daily News and the NY Post!!! Just unbelievable!!! >:-( |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Dec 4 18:47:02 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 18:33:35 2013. I never allow myself to ever wear myself out and not get proper rest to the point where it can have detrimental effect on my duties.Amen. The toughest thing for me is to attempt to get |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 18:48:03 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Train Dude on Tue Dec 3 19:42:43 2013. Yes, I should've thought of that. But me personally I say anything is possible, knowing equipment the way I do and the quirks they are capable of, especially woth lapsed maintenance.It's all relative, everyone should wait for the facts and the outcome of the investogatio before putting forth the judgments. |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Dec 4 18:49:42 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Dec 4 18:47:02 2013. ... and I get up well before dawn here to make the couple hour trek down to Newark for the early departure for Seattle. |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 18:50:27 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Dec 4 18:47:02 2013. I give all the respect to guys here, at the LIRR and at NYCT in particular who work overnight runs. I've touched those sporadically in my TA and MNR days and they really are an assault on your senses. |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 18:51:42 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Dec 4 18:49:42 2013. You fly???? Pilot meaning??? Sounds like you're in the aviation industry, which is just as dealing with rest matters as railroading and transit. |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 18:56:58 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 4 12:41:13 2013. Obviously you missed where I stated in the hours after the crash, the authorities have ruled out criminality. The Bronx DA handling the case seems to be the one trying to nitpick for criminality, and he is not gonna find any.As for blame, that will be officially be declared, again, based on FACTS and the thorough completion of this investigation. Dude, spare us the words games and the nonsense you are so well known for. I made my point, majority agree, and quite frankly, noe ever has or ever will care about your views and opinions. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 4 19:18:13 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 18:28:25 2013. c'mon,dude..you know where you are. "bombs of judgement" is the norm around here..even without substantiated proof |
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Posted by Joe on Wed Dec 4 21:11:56 2013, in response to Re: On Track 2?, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Dec 4 13:17:10 2013. Many thanks, Gold12th, for the explanation you gave in the form of diagrams. I now see how Track 3 diverges from Track 1 near Milepost 10.8 and how Track 2 is Track 2 even though two other tracks exist between it and the Hudson, namely Track 4 and the Empire Connection.--- Much appreciated. Joe |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 4 21:25:00 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 18:28:25 2013. They actually did the right thing here if the Bronx DA was looking to cuff Rockefeller based on what I've been reading here. That might have been the motivation behind it if that was the case. Hopefully ACRE leadership will explain the strategy to y'all if this is what they were up to. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Dec 4 21:31:20 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 18:28:25 2013. no they did not Paul but then you never attend union meetings . |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 4 22:05:14 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 3 18:04:10 2013. Neither will I.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 4 22:07:30 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 4 22:05:14 2013. It's highly overrated once you've done it a few times. It's kinda like going to work. :) |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Wed Dec 4 23:07:01 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 18:41:07 2013. I certainly did not. |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Dec 5 03:47:41 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 18:28:25 2013. Plenty of facts are being released. I can imagine it has been a rough week for you and your colleagues, but I think it might be you who needs to change your perspective on what is being discussed here. This is a subway/railroad message board, if you expect people to not discuss the derailment with a certain amount of speculation (if X then why), I don't know what to tell you. |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Dec 5 03:48:25 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 18:51:42 2013. Are you just realizing this? |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 5 04:09:10 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Dec 4 18:51:42 2013. He's a flight attendant for United. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 5 04:10:00 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Dec 5 03:48:25 2013. Paul stays away from OTChat and would not know that crtlynxt works for United. |
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Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Dec 5 08:43:50 2013, in response to Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Dec 1 07:55:15 2013. Very interesting, and it's been discussed here , I'm sure, but no alerter for the engineer is his small cab. That would have woken him up in time, I assume? |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Dec 5 08:45:08 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Dec 5 03:47:41 2013. I don't know what to tell youI didn't tell you to tell me anything!!!! I stand by what I said, and that's all I will say to you!! |
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Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Dec 5 08:48:57 2013, in response to Re: A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Dec 4 21:31:20 2013. Well if we see one another later, please happily explain to me then why you feel their choice was not stupid, especially now they've been removed as parties to the investigation. Discuss it with me off here.And as for my meeting attendance, you know full well it conflicts with my schedule. |
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