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Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Dec 3 10:02:30 2013, in response to Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 3 09:07:10 2013. "I said "the POTUS" and did not mention his name."SILLY RABBIT......WE KNOW YOUR BULLSHIT BY NOW. "It's fair to criticize and immature to imply that they are above reproach." YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IMMATURE? THEN LETS STARTS WITH ALL YOUR BULLSHIT POSTS ON OT. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Dec 3 10:38:31 2013, in response to Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 3 08:55:05 2013. Um excuse me, but sometimes fatigue is the result of the crappy FRA Hours Of Service rules, which masquerade as a "solution" to the problem of fatigue. And in many cases, coffee doesn't always work with everybody, especially if they have been working several days straight with little sleep between each start. I don't know if that was the case here, but until all the facts are known, you shouldn't be bad mouthing the engineer... |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Charles G on Tue Dec 3 10:41:55 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 3 08:25:59 2013. Being asleep is certainly a possible explanation. By losing track of where he was, I guess I mean "not fully aware". The last station was quite a ways back before the incident -- so plenty of time to become distracted.I've been in situations where I was making a 60-90 minute drive and either daydreaming or listening to the radio when suddenly I realize I'm a quarter-mile from my exit and not in the correct lane. I wasn't asleep, just not as aware of the situation as I should have been. Of course I have the option of just continuing on to the next exit and doubling back but a railroad engineer doesn't. Ever since seeing where the cars ended up, I've harbored suspicion that "losing track of where he was" and hitting the curve too fast would be the ultimate cause. Based on the NTSB reports of when the throttle was released relative to when the train stopped, I suspect that is now only a "best case" scenario. Still hard to imagine he would be in a deep sleep and still be able to keep the "dead man" from activating. Also the possibility of a medical situation I guess. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 3 10:42:06 2013, in response to Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Dec 3 10:38:31 2013. Nobody's badmouthing anyone. How are the unions not able to work around the FRA's dictates anyhow? (not that MN hoggers have much of a union to speak of anymore, unless the BLE suddenly resurged.) |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Tue Dec 3 10:51:14 2013, in response to Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 3 09:42:49 2013. Did you happen notice that article is from 1968! Talks about cops walking a beat and other irrelavent stuff. ROTFLMAO |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Dec 3 10:54:04 2013, in response to Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 3 07:17:11 2013. I had a feeling that it would not turn out to be a stuck float valve in the brake stand and certainly no loose rubber or sabotage. |
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Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Dec 3 10:57:03 2013, in response to Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Dec 1 07:55:15 2013. Not likely on SEPTA |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Dec 3 10:57:48 2013, in response to Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 3 10:42:06 2013. Nobody's badmouthing anyone.You wrote: "Metro-North engineer pay so bad that the hogger can't buy coffee?" That sounded like a sarcastic bashing of the engineer to me... In any case, the union has nothing to do with the FRA Hours Of Service rules. Those rules are etched in stone EXCEPT in an emergency, and in those cases the rules are bent in ways that cause MORE fatigue by ordering people to work beyond the normal 12 hours. Now I have no idea if the engineer in this case was on a "regular" job or was a "list" guy. Most "regular" jobs are set so that there is plenty of rest between shifts and if an employee is fatigued, it is usually their own doing. Working the extra list is much more erratic, where guys can work days, nights, and sometimes even "double out" (working 2 shifts in a 24 hour period), as long as there are "8 hours between off duty and on duty". What they don't take into account is that the 8 hours rest is interrupted at some point when the crew dispatcher has to notify the employee of his next assignment. So if you take into account the time it takes for the typical employee to get home from work, time to wind down, sleep, get interrupted with the call, the time it takes to go back to sleep, sleep, and then wake up to go to work, there is obviously MUCH less than 8 hours of sleep going on. And if that scenario is repeated for several days straight, problems can arise... |
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Posted by hhp664 on Tue Dec 3 11:22:06 2013, in response to Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Dec 1 07:55:15 2013. Unfortunately Engineers doze off more then we like to say. I've been a engineer 19+ years first with CSX and now Amtrak. Especially working in freight pool service or my early years at Amtrak on the xtra board. And that fra 8 hours between shifts is nonsense, by time u get home and get sleep ur lucky to get 3 or 4 good hours of sleep.I had hoped this accident wasn't his fault and now it appears it is. It wasn't willful but still his fault. and olog-hai I don't drink coffee or soda so what do I do?? craig |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Dec 3 11:37:21 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by hhp664 on Tue Dec 3 11:22:06 2013. Unfortunately Engineers doze off more then we like to say. I've been a engineer 19+ years first with CSX and now Amtrak. Especially working in freight pool service or my early years at Amtrak on the xtra board. And that fra 8 hours between shifts is nonsense, by time u get home and get sleep ur lucky to get 3 or 4 good hours of sleep.Its possible to fall asleep with your eyes open. Anyone who has driven at night in rain or fog knows that you can become almost hypnotized by the road. I wonder where this story is coming from since it wasn't released by the NTSB. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Dec 3 11:38:22 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Dec 3 11:37:21 2013. I wonder where this story is coming from since it wasn't released by the NTSB."Sources," according to the articles referenced. |
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Posted by jrf2 on Tue Dec 3 12:18:45 2013, in response to Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 3 09:01:33 2013. Isn't the result the same-letting go of the throttle? |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:19:08 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Dec 3 09:47:09 2013. So does LIRR's system, been around since 1953. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:20:37 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Charles G on Tue Dec 3 10:41:55 2013. Do we know if anybody was up in the cab with him ?I am thinking of the VIA Rail wreck of a Niagara Falls train a couple of ears ago. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:22:06 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 3 09:58:16 2013. Try that on Southern State !You'll be flipping over a few time into the woods, and off to God's Country you go.. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:30:26 2013, in response to Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Dec 3 10:57:48 2013. We have all done this as drivers, not remembering 5 minutes of your drive, especially near your house. Unfortunately, this guy got caught, or so it seems this morning. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 3 12:31:42 2013, in response to Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by SubwaySurf on Tue Dec 3 10:51:14 2013. 1968 is the bleak, horrible future for Olog-hai. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:31:48 2013, in response to Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Train Dude on Tue Dec 3 10:54:04 2013. To tell you the truth, I was hoping for something "stupid", like a turned angle cock. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 3 12:33:44 2013, in response to Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by jrf2 on Tue Dec 3 12:18:45 2013. Nope. You can sleep all night without and never once let go of your teddy bear. Same thing with the Deadman's Throttle. You would have to fall off of your chair before that thing will notice.Same to the allerters, You can press that button all night long and never once open your eyes. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 3 12:36:33 2013, in response to Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 3 09:01:33 2013. A proper alerter would require you to use higher brain levels to silence it. Typing in milepost numbers might do it.Look at the Internet forms, you have to type in letters to prove that you are a human and not a machine. Simple solution. ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:37:14 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by hhp664 on Tue Dec 3 11:22:06 2013. Coffee and sesame seed bagel --> test positive for cocaine.Is that urban legend, or any validity to it ? |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 3 12:37:56 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:20:37 2013. Nome. Engineer works alone up there.Besides, he was in a cab car. ROAR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 3 12:38:25 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:37:14 2013. What?You must be thinking of poppy seeds and opium. |
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Oft asked question Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Dec 3 12:40:42 2013, in response to Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Dec 1 07:55:15 2013. Time to bring this up again…. Does anyone think the outcome of this accident would have been any different if the train was pulling instead of pushing? My answer: In THIS CASE no. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Dec 3 12:42:43 2013, in response to Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 3 08:58:58 2013. Olog crawl back under your rock, and stay there.. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:44:13 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 3 12:37:56 2013. So. 3 people could have been up there in the vestibule chatting, |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Dec 3 12:44:26 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 09:08:42 2013. no they would not be compatible and would need much conversion. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:46:10 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 3 12:38:25 2013. No, it involved coffee. Heard about it 20 years , gives false positive. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Dec 3 12:46:18 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 09:14:59 2013. 3 signal blocks would have started to slow it down before ludlow.talk about time loss and plugging up railroad. last such derailment at this curve due to speed was 100 years ago ?? |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Dec 3 12:46:23 2013, in response to Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:30:26 2013. Exactly... |
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Re: Oft asked question Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:47:28 2013, in response to Oft asked question Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Dec 3 12:40:42 2013. Pattern of wrecked cars may have differed, maybe more zig-zag since no rearward pressure, but just as deadly. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:49:31 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Dec 3 12:46:18 2013. Yeh well, welcome to the LIRR. Ever ride a Far Rockaway train ?Something like that will happen here. They have to show it can't happen again. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Dec 3 12:49:51 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:46:10 2013. If that was the case today, everyone would fail the random drug tests! |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 3 12:51:19 2013, in response to Oft asked question Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Dec 3 12:40:42 2013. Just barely maybe.If the locomotive has a lower center of gravity than passenger cars (not sure), it might have stayed on the tracks. And then if it had stayed on the tracks, just maybe the couplers would have held the remaining cars on the tracks. But even if true it would not be a reason to stop pushing trains. You might, or might not, prevent one accident in the next 100 years. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Dec 3 12:52:20 2013, in response to Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Dec 3 12:42:43 2013. IAWTP |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:52:57 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Dec 3 12:44:26 2013. They did do such with black striped Comet-2's , made them Shoreliners, complete with seat frames off scrapped M-1A's.What is so different about these cars ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:53:39 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Dec 3 12:49:51 2013. I know. That's why I asked. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Dec 3 12:54:55 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:44:13 2013. Whenever I was up in the cab (which was rare during revenue service), I usually called out the signals to the engineer, even while "chatting"... |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Dec 3 12:54:56 2013, in response to Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 3 12:33:44 2013. how many people can sleep thru a snooze alarm.and how many motorist have caught themself doozing while driving ?? The Bombardier cars have a foot pedal for deadman but just like gas on your car you could snooze without letting go of it. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Dec 3 12:59:54 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:52:57 2013. long doors,and different door control, different braking , different cab signal system, different HEP setup, Different keys all over.The two cars are earmarked to become MN new inspection train but money situation has project on hold. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Dec 3 13:02:51 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:53:39 2013. they did this on mythbusters I believe you need to consume over a pound of poppy seeds before it was even detectable. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 3 13:05:29 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Dec 3 12:54:55 2013. There was no signal here. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Dec 3 13:38:42 2013, in response to Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:31:48 2013. I don't think that anyone was hoping that the engineer would own this outside of perhaps the maintenance people who last worked on the cab car. The fact is that someone usually does end up taking the weight. The odds though of a train operating normally for 60+ miles and then finding a turned angle cock are pretty slim. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Tue Dec 3 14:38:29 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:22:06 2013. Right...or any one of the other Long Island parkways (i.e.: Sagikos/Sunken Meadow or the Northern State)...I was driving on the Sagikos one night with my girlfriend and took the exit ramp to the Northern State a LITTLE too fast and it was a very hard and sharp turn....but I recovered finally. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 3 15:02:20 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 3 08:29:41 2013. an exit on a highway means leaving the main road. there's signage for an exit, and that alerts you to slow down.even in small towns I drive through, there's always a "Reduced Speed Ahead" sign. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Dec 3 15:07:32 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 12:19:08 2013. No, the LIRR system and MNR's are different but similar in that it won't slow down a train in a 70 mph block to prepare for the next speed restriction. That's done by humans. The engineer has to slow down to that speed before the train enters a 30 mph block or else BIE. Just like it is with a trip cock system with timers and WDs.In this case, even a BIE couldn't stop/slow down the train quickly enough to avoid the accident. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 15:19:05 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Dec 3 15:07:32 2013. On the LIRR , you do not have track speed limit of 70 right upto a 30 MPH curve. They graduate downwards. At Divide, I don't know whether the Port Jeff or Main Line is "diverging", but no train can run through Hicksville station at 80 MPH, engineer being zone-out, asleep, dead, or otherwise.A way around this one is to make the most permissive signal be "Approach", like Amtrak has prior to the Elizabeth curve, as they had a near catastrophe about 10 - 15 years ago. Like it or not, a permanent fix will be required, and they will stretch southbound schedules 2 minutes. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by hhp664 on Tue Dec 3 15:49:29 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 15:19:05 2013. At the westbound distant signal to Elmora int/Elizabeth curve you get a approach limited on tracks 2 and 3 and a advance approach on track 4. on the eastbound approaches to elmora you go from max speed to a phantom cab signal drop around the B&O bridge,in preparation for the 55mph curve. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 3 16:17:33 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by hhp664 on Tue Dec 3 15:49:29 2013. Yep.Since passenger fatalities are involved, expect a mandated solution of some sort and the system will be slowed.Since the LIRR's ASC has speed enforcement, while it has not been MTA's corporate culture to tell fair-haired child MN to be more like LIRR, that era will be coming to an end because there will be huge liability impacts, especially after the Connecticut wreck, which was also MN's negligence. MN will simply have no say in the matter. |
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A Little Perspective Of Things.....Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Dec 3 17:10:18 2013, in response to Re: Report: Rockefeller was asleep at the throttle, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Dec 3 10:57:48 2013. This post is not a direct response to any one poster on this thread or any one poster on any thread in relation to the events of Sunday, December 1st 2013 at about 7:20am in the Spuyten-Duyvil section of The Bronx on MTA Metro-North Railroad's Hudson Line. This is a general speak out (or rant some might call it, call it whatever you choose!!) on the large amounts of neysayers, side-seat-drivers and so-called "know-it-alls" from posters here all the way up to the public, the very uneducated public, and even more severely uneducated media, who are saying a lot of negative stuff against this engineer, a fellow co-worker and a friend of mine, making claims and implications of criminality and making commentary about what happened without having all the facts, or even any slight inkling of the facts, about what really happened which lead to this terrible tragedy. Here I start.....I happen to know William Rockefeller very well, and he is definitely a very diligent, competent, well versed, and great-to-work-with engineer!!! I would go down the road with him ANYTIME!!! All day, both from reading the ridiculousness of the article headlines in the trash rag NY Post and in the new trash rag, the NY Daily News, and from hearing all this bullshit being spewed by other media "think-they-know-it-alls" and the neysayers of the public who don't know shit from ice cream, I have become sick and completely tired of listening to people judge this man, call what happened an act of criminality, and drawing up their own baseless views of things without the benefits of intellect and knowledge, knowledge of trains, train operation, duties of conductors and engineers, and even the plain inability to even call the man what he is, an ENGINEER, not a motorman and damn sure NOT a conductor!!! Charles Schumer said it best in the Post today......“it’s premature to blame anyone or anything right now.” Did he say that clear enough???? Did I post it clear enough???? "IT'S PREMATURE TO BLAME ANYONE OR ANYTHING RIGHT NOW." One more time for good measure...... "IT'S PREMATURE TO BLAME ANYONE OR ANYTHING RIGHT NOW." Sen. Charles Schumer Get it folks??? Do all the neysayers, the "side-seat-drivers", the "think-they-know-it-alls" get it???? One more time to drive the point home......."IT'S PREMATURE TO BLAME ANYONE OR ANYTHING RIGHT NOW." The reality is that he, much like the millions of other railroaders and transit employees of the world, ARE HUMAN, they make mistakes, errors in judgement, can become tired, fatigued and stressed!! Tragedies have happened in the past and there more than likely will be more in the time to come!! Technology is NOT perfect, NOTHING MANKIND KIND BUILT NOR CAN EVER BUILD is perfect!!! Equipment can and does fail!! Even the most sophisticated control devices in any industry can fail!! Humans are not perfect either, never have been nor ever will be!! The truth will come.....wait for the truth to come out!!! Spare us all the blame games until then!!! Should this have happened?? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Could this have been prevented?? MORE THAN LIKELY YES!!! Do we know all the causes and events leading up to this WITH ABSOLUTE FACT, IRREFUTABLE FACT??? HELL NO!!! Much like other events of the past, other tragedies and accidents of the past, we all must learn from it, and take whatever steps necessary to make sure nothing like this happens again!! But jumping to judgment on all sides, be it passengers, the media and other neysayers, and media and newspaper outlets making outrageous headlines to news articles for the sake of selling papers does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! Serves no purpose, and often in the end, the neysayers, the media folks who are sure of themselves and their slanderous garbage, end up having to apologize for their nonsense!! Before the rains of judgment, the spews of the "know-it-alls", and the like come flowing, please wait for the officials to complete their investigations and do what they have to do to FIND OUT THE FACTS!!! Not the speculations and the neysays, THE FACTS!!! JUST THE FACTS!!! Let the NTSB, Metro-North, and the MTA officials do their jobs!! Once the final report and findings are out, then make judgments!! Until then, pipe down, wait for the truth, THE UNDENIABLE, BEYOND A SHADOW OF ANY DOUBT, truth to come out!!! Leave the speculation, "know-it-all-ism", blame games and neysaying at the door!! Thank you!!!! |
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