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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 2 11:39:59 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Dec 2 07:42:59 2013. nothing is a writeoff as of yet, they can't determine till cars and engine are in shop and measure the frames bending and check for cracks. |
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Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Dec 2 12:05:13 2013, in response to Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Dec 1 07:55:15 2013. Just seen on Ch7 Eyewitness news: the four 61xx cars have been rerailed and are sitting at the Spuytin Duyvil platform. The two CDOT cars (6288, 6222) are still being worked on.wayne |
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Posted by seabeachexpress on Mon Dec 2 12:28:16 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Dec 2 12:05:13 2013. I saw that also, with a work train unit facing south ready to pull them. My guess is all of the bomb cars will be towed to Highbridge for the NTSB to go over them there. |
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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Dec 2 12:28:47 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Dec 2 11:12:05 2013. These coaches held up surprisingly well.wayne |
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(NTSB press conference 1): Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Dec 2 12:40:34 2013, in response to Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Dec 1 07:55:15 2013. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 2 14:05:32 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 1 17:39:54 2013. Obviously sabotaged with a piece of rubber in the float valve. It's been done before according to one loser. |
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Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 2 14:06:39 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Dec 2 12:05:13 2013. Last one is being lifted now. |
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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Dec 2 14:08:37 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 2 11:39:59 2013. Ok. I was wondering..guess there's a possibility that some equipment can be saved... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 2 14:56:31 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Mon Dec 2 07:38:32 2013. Yeah, required part of broadcasting ... get hammered after the show and sometimes before. :) |
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Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 2 16:14:13 2013, in response to Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Dec 1 07:55:15 2013. NTSB speaking now, reporting that there was a loss of brake pressure. |
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NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Dec 2 16:34:24 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 2 16:14:13 2013. The AP is reporting the NTSB said the train was going 82 MPH as it entered the curve where it derailed. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 2 16:35:26 2013, in response to NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Dec 2 16:34:24 2013. Wow...almost three times the MAS for that curve. Wow... |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Dec 2 16:36:15 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 2 16:35:26 2013. Hasn't anyone learned from Malbone Street? |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 2 16:42:37 2013, in response to NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Dec 2 16:34:24 2013. Finding out that the train was going too fast was not really surprising. What is key is why it was going too fast. |
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Posted by Bill West on Mon Dec 2 16:42:54 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 2 09:19:05 2013. It's not the physics, it's being careful of reasoning fallacies and assumptions when applying it. If the absolute braking capacity limit is 25mph then while a 12.5mph train has 100% speed reserve, a 22.5mph train is 10% away from disaster. After I took my college physics I spent 35 years in engineering learning how to apply it prudently. One of the lessons is that it is a formula for trouble to assume that something can always do a "little bit more".Bill |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 2 16:47:36 2013, in response to NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Dec 2 16:34:24 2013. Incredible speed. Also, they said this:Mr. Weener said the train's throttle went idle just six seconds before the train stopped, calling that "very late in the game." ------ Take Pride,
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 2 16:50:20 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 2 16:42:37 2013. I didn't expect them to discover an initial speed of 82 MPH. I felt the train was going too fast, but THAT fast? SMH! |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 2 16:54:19 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 2 16:42:37 2013. The obvious guess (and of course it's only that - no intent to subvert the investigative process here) is that the engineer fell asleep. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 2 16:58:56 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 2 16:42:37 2013. How did their ASC system allow 82 verses 70 down the straight-away in the first place ? Was it cut-out ?The event recorders form bot the cab car AND locomotive have to be compared, get beyond preliminary and see if they agree. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 2 16:59:50 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 2 16:54:19 2013. I've got a funny feeling you're right.your pal, Fred |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 2 17:00:19 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 2 16:54:19 2013. Or talking/texting on his phone. Of course, there might also still be an undiscovered mechanical issue. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 2 17:00:20 2013, in response to NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Dec 2 16:34:24 2013. On CHaneel 7, I heard and saw the Lake Shore Limited going by as they were reporting at 4:20 |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 2 17:08:23 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Bill West on Mon Dec 2 16:42:54 2013. Agreed. If the absolute limit really is 25 (the measurement doesn't even have to be speed), no one should ever be doing 22.5.An example is the guy who died the other week while diving without a tank. He seemed to be fine going down to 60 meters and had done that before, but going down to 64 killed him. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Dec 2 17:23:12 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 1 20:50:39 2013. and don't forget the Engine car !!!!A don't forget the person driving the train ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill West on Mon Dec 2 17:24:38 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 2 17:08:23 2013. Thanks, just remembered another factor. Iron brake shoe friction decreases with rising temperature. So as the generated energy is going up with speed, the braking capacity is being reduced by the high temperatures that the shoes would be raised to.The engineer's lesson to my conductor friend was that you just could not let the speedo needle waver above 22mph, you absolutely had to stay below. The reason they didn't just make the trip at 15mph was of course the economic one of getting over the road in the 12hr limit, it was a 150 mile division and had two hills like this one. Bill |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 2 18:08:35 2013, in response to NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Dec 2 16:34:24 2013. Mr. Rockefeller can kiss his job and pension goodbye. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 2 18:15:57 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 2 18:08:35 2013. The piwers that be will certainly try to crucify him. But I'll wait until the rest of the NTSB's findings are released. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Dec 2 18:33:41 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 2 16:58:56 2013. I believe DRN has stated that with a clear cab signal there is no overspeed protection. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Dec 2 18:54:03 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 2 16:42:37 2013. Well trains don't pick up speed on their own, unless the engineer was not paying attention to the throttle. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Dec 2 18:54:59 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 2 18:08:35 2013. He's gonna wish he was related to the other Rockefellers. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 2 18:59:45 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 2 18:08:35 2013. For the zillionth time, you can't take away a pension after someone is vested (5 years).If he is fired what he will lose is the early retirement subsidy portion of the pension (like full pension at 55 and 30 or whatever). |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 2 19:19:54 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by WillD on Mon Dec 2 18:33:41 2013. That sucks.If a LIRR Babylon train hits 81, the bell goes off. If a Far Rockaway train hits 41 on that branch, the bell goes off. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 2 19:21:27 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by italianstallion on Mon Dec 2 18:54:03 2013. Still need to get beyond preliminaryStill need to evaluate event record on the loco, and make sure they agree, or there was a communication failure in the train line. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 2 19:22:53 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 2 17:00:19 2013. CNN said at 7pm there was NO evidence of cell phone use. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by seabeachexpress on Mon Dec 2 19:23:43 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 2 18:08:35 2013. Let's calm down and wait for the forensic investigation of his cell phone activity. Yes, he could have blacked out but let's wait until all of the evidence is gathered and broken down. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by seabeachexpress on Mon Dec 2 19:25:54 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 2 19:21:27 2013. If the comm. between the cab car and the P32 is lost isn't there a fail-safe that would shut down the unit? |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Mon Dec 2 19:29:09 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 2 18:59:45 2013. T%hat son of a WHORE doesn't believe in pension RIGHTS, just military welfare waste |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Mon Dec 2 19:35:24 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by seabeachexpress on Mon Dec 2 19:25:54 2013. while I'm not sure what brake valve was on that cab car, The emergency brake valve on the cab car would have dumped the air in the brake pipe and knocked the propulsion back to idle as soon as the emergency reduction propagated back to the locomotive and triggered the Pneumatic Control Switch (PCS) |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by buddsilverliner269 on Mon Dec 2 19:48:00 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 2 19:22:53 2013. I hope this is true but I looked on the CNN Web page and haven't seen any mention of no cell usage. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Mon Dec 2 20:35:21 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by buddsilverliner269 on Mon Dec 2 19:48:00 2013. Quote from the CNN article at the URL :http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/02/us/new-york-train-derails/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 "The NTSB has subpoenaed the engineer's phone records, but a preliminary review found no reason to believe Rockefeller was using the phone at the time of the crash, a senior law enforcement official familiar with the investigation told CNN." |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Dec 2 20:46:24 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 2 16:47:36 2013. The more information that comes out, the more it seems... |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Dec 2 20:55:20 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Dec 1 11:35:53 2013. ...or if the railroad was wired with cantenary. Can you imagine if one of those shoreliners came at a cantenary support pole sideways at 70+MPH ? The car might have been sliced in half with the resultant monumental carnage.Its also lucky that the equipement went on the ground sideways with no obstructions. Imagine a building, parking lot, or station platform interacting with out of control equiptment at high speed? You can "what if" a situation like this to death. With all due condolences to the deciesed, this could have been a lot worse. Now Metro North now has a big problem on its hands, getting back public confidence. Also, if human error is determined to be the main cause of the derailment, send in the lawyers. MN will take a big hit in neglence/wrongful death lawsuits. MN-aka taxpayers that is. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Dec 2 21:02:59 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Rockparkman on Mon Dec 2 20:35:21 2013. Investigators took his cell phone and are checking his calls. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Dec 2 21:08:36 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Dec 2 10:46:11 2013. Ok, ok, you got me. I was only thinking about the air in the train line. You're correct that a loss of reservoir air would result in brake failure. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 2 21:14:48 2013, in response to NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Dec 2 16:34:24 2013. preliminary report, not final report. so watch as things might change. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 2 21:15:24 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 2 16:35:26 2013. again, preliminary report |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 2 21:17:09 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 2 16:58:56 2013. a clear cab has no restrictions and allows 100 mph. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 2 21:20:43 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by seabeachexpress on Mon Dec 2 19:25:54 2013. yes both by air failure or electrical interuption |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 2 21:50:37 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 2 16:54:19 2013. Having been to 7 or 8 derailments I've learned not to pre-judge but a a civilian, I'd also guess that some form of inattention could be suspected. |
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Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 2 21:55:27 2013, in response to Re: NTSB: Train going too fast at curve before wreck Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 2 16:47:36 2013. Which would indicate that the train was likely into the curve before the brake was applied. |
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