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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 25 14:49:44 2012, in response to R1 100 Questions, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 25 13:42:47 2012. As I understand it, #100 was withdrawn from regular service and cleaned up in 1971. I believe those Fan Trips in the early 70s were similar to the Holiday Train of today- added runs in service. In 2004, the Holiday Train ran, in service, as a W- Whitehall to Ditmars Blvd. on Friday, 10/29, to observe the 100th anniversary of the subway.Yes, I know the 100th Anniversary was 2 days earlier- and there weren't Arnines in 1904. But that's (and IRT SMEE cars on the TS shuttle) was how they observed it in 2004 |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 25 15:15:54 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 25 14:49:44 2012. That makes sense. Thank you. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Dec 25 16:09:13 2012, in response to R1 100 Questions, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 25 13:42:47 2012. Could that have been during the time the real #100 was wearing #190? |
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Posted by Brighton Private on Tue Dec 25 19:05:32 2012, in response to R1 100 Questions, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 25 13:42:47 2012. I rode R1 100 in regular rush-hour service but after it had been cleaned up, shined up, and given the M designation.It was during summer jobs in Manhattan during college, which would place it some time between 1972 and 1975, and I was commuting from Avenue J to Rockefeller Center on the Brighton Line. There is no doubt in my mind about this date range. I had always assumed that it had been designated for the museum but had to be reactivated in rush hour because of an equipment shortage, but I don't know that for a fact. |
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Posted by BMRR on Tue Dec 25 20:05:29 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by Brighton Private on Tue Dec 25 19:05:32 2012. It also showed up on the "J" . I remember it pulling into Broad street, along with other cars that had "CITY OF NEW YORK" on theside. It sometime in the mid to late 70's. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Dec 25 20:08:48 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by BMRR on Tue Dec 25 20:05:29 2012. the "city of new york" reappeared when the 1st subway carwash was used and decades of steeldust were washed away.7 |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 25 21:50:27 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Dec 25 16:09:13 2012. Not to my knowledge, I'm talking about pics showing it wearing 100. I was under the impression it was removed altogether in 1970 or earlier like '68 or '69. I didn't even know about the 100 and 190 thing. |
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Posted by zac on Wed Dec 26 03:43:53 2012, in response to R1 100 Questions, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 25 13:42:47 2012. I also remember riding a train of arnines on the QB after they were supposedly retired at that time. They were all cleaned up as others have been saying. |
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Posted by chud1 on Wed Dec 26 06:31:00 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Dec 25 20:08:48 2012. i remember "the city of new york" on da R1/9's on da d line when i took them from Bedford Park Blvd to da 1st yankee stadium when i was a kid.chud1 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 26 12:49:20 2012, in response to R1 100 Questions, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 25 13:42:47 2012. I've seen several pics of the museum R1/9 train in service on the QB route in the early 70's.  |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Dec 26 14:40:35 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 26 12:49:20 2012. Its disgusting how 103 got tagged up. I find it interesting that they cleaned them up and put them back out there and subjected them to graffiti but I suppose no place was safe from that crap in those days. 103 has different vents on the roof, perhaps unique altogether. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 26 20:08:08 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 26 12:49:20 2012. That's pretty desperate ... work motors in revenue? (the M under the number is the indication) |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 26 20:24:37 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 26 20:08:08 2012. That's pretty desperate ... work motors in revenue? (the M under the number is the indication)Is the M for work motor or museum? All the "M" work motors in photos on nycsubway.org were renumbered into the 500 series. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 26 21:00:12 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 26 20:24:37 2012. Trying to figure that one out myself. With the LoV's that were the redominant work motors back in my time, they all had "WM" under the number plate. And as you note with the 500 series though, they had "M" underneath to designate work motors. But like the 500's you saw, that was the same "M" designation on the 100's which is consistent with the 100's which is why I'm assuming that. Never knew of an "M" designation for the museum - they usually just got buried somewhere where the wigs couldn't see them. Like out on Dyre and such. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 26 21:01:14 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 26 21:00:12 2012. ... meant "consistent with the 500's" back there. |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Dec 26 21:51:29 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 26 20:24:37 2012. M was for museum since these numbers were duplicated with the arrival of the R44s.WE-44 |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Dec 26 21:51:38 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 26 20:24:37 2012. M was for museum since these numbers were duplicated with the arrival of the R44s.WE-44 |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Dec 26 21:51:44 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 26 20:24:37 2012. M was for museum since these numbers were duplicated with the arrival of the R44s.WE-44 |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Dec 26 21:51:57 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 26 20:24:37 2012. M was for museum since these numbers were duplicated with the arrival of the R44s.WE-44 |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 26 21:54:50 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by Westcode44 on Wed Dec 26 21:51:29 2012. I think that you've made your point. In the official records, though, a museum car was designated with the car number preceded by the letter "A" thus car #103 became A0103 in the computer. |
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Posted by jabrams on Thu Dec 27 00:06:52 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 26 21:00:12 2012. The Transit Muesem openned in 1976, for how long prior to that time was it planned. Saving a car from 1969-70 for a muesem that would not exist for 6 more years (and only a temporary one) would be strange. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 27 00:22:48 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by jabrams on Thu Dec 27 00:06:52 2012. Indeed it would. I bailed out of the city before then myself. I still think that "M" was a work motor designation. RPC and other cars intended for ale to museums or owned by such entities sat out in CIY on their own track and I couldn't see those being turned to revenue since MTA no longer officially owned them anymore. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 27 03:12:28 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by jabrams on Thu Dec 27 00:06:52 2012. Well these weren't the first cars ever saved were they? Im saying that I think its strange they would clean up those cars and then run them back out onto the road to take abuse like graffiti. Was 103 at Court St. in 1976? I know 100 was for sure. Point is that both of these cars, R1s, were restored somewhat and put back on the road apparently. Why? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Dec 27 07:23:59 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by jabrams on Thu Dec 27 00:06:52 2012. Nevertheless, even some Q cars on the Myrtle that were planned for saving had the word 'museum" paintd on them, I guess to remind CIY crews not to cut them up.Clearly, some folks int he TA were thinking about preservation, even several years before they were able to open up the Transit Exhibit in 1976. Some ideas (not just in transit, but in lefe) are long in formation, and if you work at them a little at a time, they eventually happen. As TA veteransd on here have pointed out, crews made a concious effort to save cars at least in the early 1960s...once they had enough, they convinced management to have a "temporary exhibit"...which they extended into permanence. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 27 08:48:37 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 27 03:12:28 2012. Car shortage? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 27 09:42:40 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 27 08:48:37 2012. I thought about that too. I think its great they used the cars after they restored them and didn't treat them like garage queens. Im really just trying to pinpoint a date when they were taken off the road in the 70s. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Dec 27 10:52:51 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by Westcode44 on Wed Dec 26 21:51:57 2012. shut up,fatso. |
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Posted by mci guy on Thu Dec 27 15:36:38 2012, in response to R1 100 Questions, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 25 13:42:47 2012. heres the whole story. an eight car train of r1-r9 was placed in service in the mid 70s on the QB brighton rush hour service coney island to 57 st. i should know as me ands wife rode them everyday to work. when i first saw it i couldnt believe it. cars escaped the scrapper as someone at nycta hid them in tunnels. only one condutor and motorman at the time were qualified to pilot them. fare was thirty five cets i believe and ive rode them again recentlt for quite a HEFTY PRICE. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 27 15:42:55 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by mci guy on Thu Dec 27 15:36:38 2012. Gotcha |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 27 16:01:12 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by mci guy on Thu Dec 27 15:36:38 2012. Since the non museum R-9s ran in passenger service until 1976, I doubt that it would have taken a specially qualified crew to operate that museum train since all crews at that time would still have been qualified on anything that ran. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Dec 27 19:05:23 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 27 03:12:28 2012. Well, I get the sense that TA front-line employees, and at least first line supervision, if not management, takes pride in the subway's history. The early 70s cleanup of these cars seems to me to have been 1) Meant to inspire a sense of history in the public as well 2) Be the first steps towards creating a museum- get some cleaned up- then make the case to the suits and the politicians, etc...As Bill says, in those days, with all the problems they had, it may have been difficult to keep them off the orad- espcially since the car class was still in service. And letting the public see them in gleaming condition may have been an attempt at subliminal messages to not vandalize the system... Of course, I was in what they called "nursery school" (a/k/a "pre K"), so I don't have any actual memories or inser knowledge. But it's my take on the situation. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 27 19:12:32 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 27 03:12:28 2012. Was 103 at Court St. in 1976?Here's the opening day lineup for July 2, 1976 . The following equipment was on display IRT Lo-V's 4902 and 5466, R-12 5760, R-15 6239; BMT D Type 6112, R-11 8013, Steeple Cabs 5 and 6; IND R-1 100, R-4 484 and R-7A 1575, R-46 "1776/680" and "1976/681" and Hopper Car H-254. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 27 19:19:13 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 26 20:24:37 2012. Is the M for work motor or museum? All the "M" work motors in photos on nycsubway.org were renumbered into the 500 series.The "M" prefix was used for the R-1/9s as they entered service as work motors. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Dec 27 19:33:23 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 27 19:12:32 2012. Thank You!!! |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Dec 28 22:17:05 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by Westcode44 on Wed Dec 26 21:51:29 2012. I was thinking about that, as R-44 100 was delivered on 2/28/72 (and I guess was in service shortly thereafter).Proff |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 28 23:45:40 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 25 14:49:44 2012. Not only did the old timers run on 10/29/04, they also ran in revenue service on 10/27 and 10/28. A few of us were coming up the BMT Broadway line from City Hall, where we'd stepped on the platform of the loop station, and when we got to Times Square (hoping to catch the Lo-Vs), lo and behold there they were on the s/b express track!. I yelled out, "The R units are running!", at which point we made a beeline up the stairs, down to the s/b platform and scrambled aboard. The old timers were running express between Canal St. and 57th St., and their gears hit F# above middle C between 34th and Union Square.For the record, they ran local between Astoria and Canal St. on the 28th and 29th. I stayed on them for as long as I could on the 29th, finally bailing at 57th because I had to catch a plane home. Talk about cutting it close - by the time I got through security at LGA, my flight was boarding. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 28 23:47:40 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 25 21:50:27 2012. The real 100 has no sills at all beneath its side doors. 190 had two small sills beneath the second and third sets of doors, just as 381 does. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 28 23:50:13 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by chud1 on Wed Dec 26 06:31:00 2012. I remember that lettering, too. They were still on the Ethel and I'd see that lettering as a n/b train headed past the s/b platform at 42nd St. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 28 23:52:55 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 26 21:01:14 2012. I think they put the M on the old timers to differentiate them from the R-44s, which had the same numbers. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 28 23:54:30 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 27 19:12:32 2012. I take it 6609 and 9306 were still plying the rails then. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 29 00:01:06 2012, in response to Re: R1 100 Questions, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 28 23:52:55 2012. Aside from Ronan's raiders at Jay Street who'd probably never found the subway yet, I can't imagine how anybody would confuse the car classes. :) |
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