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Posted by JayMan on Wed Jun 8 11:02:36 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 8 10:31:27 2011. Why? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 8 11:05:25 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by JayMan on Wed Jun 8 10:05:54 2011. Hello Jayman, I've been reading your posts on this topic, and as always, you're right on.Yes, I missed one of AEM's posts and see where he meant that we are a self-segregating society. In fact, he's a liberal whose own family practices self-segregation. He attended the somewhat elite and exclusive St. Francis Prep in Queens. I will always think of him as coming from a family who didn't want him to go to his "zone" high school in favor of the largely white Catholic Prep. Typical NY lib. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 11:07:00 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 8 11:05:25 2011. If you think he's "right on" about anything, you need help . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 11:11:38 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by JayMan on Wed Jun 8 10:34:57 2011. You and your "eugenic policy". Humans are no different from each other genetically; thinking that they are is pure, unadulterated racism. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 11:14:40 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by JayMan on Wed Jun 8 09:36:14 2011. If they fully embraced the idea of race differencesRace differences, JayMengele? |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Jun 8 11:15:36 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 8 11:05:25 2011. I think he made a LOL something about a cop stopping someone without ID. It was either him or AlM I can't remember. Unreal. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 11:16:48 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:34:06 2011. I hope you didn't take it seriously. What "needs"? Humans are humans. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 8 11:18:06 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Jun 8 11:15:36 2011. ALM also blamed the Vatican for the spread of AIDS in Africa. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 11:18:29 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 00:27:32 2011. it's another to stop watering down the curriculum and impose higher standards that may create a higher failure rate that's especially disproportionately heavier on black and Hispanic studentsYou saying that blacks and Hispanics are not as smart as other races/ethnic groups? Failure rates are not due to academic standards. Those are purely due to family breakdown, and societal breakdown by extension. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 11:19:43 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 8 10:01:18 2011. JayMengele will make up any explanation. |
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Re: John Stossel on welfare |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 11:21:59 2011, in response to Re: John Stossel on welfare, posted by JayMan on Wed Jun 8 09:22:24 2011. . . . and as usual, you can't explain why. I've actually gotten to the core of the problem, and that upsets you because it doesn't fit your Aryan agenda. But by all means, take a crack at it . . . |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 8 11:22:55 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by JayMan on Wed Jun 8 09:36:14 2011. You are indeed correct.Problem is, minorities aren't happy with service and laboring jobs. They want to take exams for City jobs, and when they don't score as high as whitey, they want to be handed the job on a silver platter via liberal courts. That's why FDNY didn't hire off their last exam. Whites scored higher than minorities so a liberal judge simply through it out. That's how it works. This is why America is shot. Courts do more damage than al-Queda. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 8 11:24:26 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 11:19:43 2011. I may not agree with all he says but it certainly explains the behavior of low functioners like selkook and streetcarman |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 8 11:26:31 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 8 11:22:55 2011. Correction: "This is why America is shot. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 11:42:52 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 8 11:22:55 2011. Problem is, minorities aren't happy with service and laboring jobs. They want to take exams for City jobs, and when they don't score as high as whitey, they want to be handed the job on a silver platter via liberal courtsNone of that has anything to do with "race differences". In fact, such BS arises because of the perception of "race differences". |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Jun 8 11:45:47 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 11:11:38 2011. Humans are no different from each other geneticallyLOL! I'm sure all the people that were freed from death row thanks to DNA sequencing should turn right around... To pull a Luch, how tall are you? If you're anything other than 6'4", as I am, that blows that notion right out of the water doesn't it? thinking that they are is pure, unadulterated racism. No, it's called accepting reality... |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Jun 8 11:48:58 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 11:18:29 2011. You saying that blacks and Hispanics are not as smart as other races/ethnic groups?Yes, I think that's what he's saying. Failure rates are not due to academic standards. Those are purely due to family breakdown, and societal breakdown by extension. Right, and your evidence is? Let me ask you something, have you ever backed up ANYTHING you've posted with fact? A single piece of objective evidence? I challenge you to do so. Otherwise, please stop wasting our time. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Jun 8 11:54:46 2011, in response to Re: John Stossel on welfare, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 11:21:59 2011. You are correct that the country should have decent manufacturing jobs to help its economy. I doubt it ever will again, because the period of U.S. dominance in manufacturing was due to the Third World not yet coming online and the fact that much of Europe and Japan was bombed to hell. But that has little to nothing to do with American poverty, especially of black and brown people, and certainly nothing to do with the relative place of each group. Neither, for that matter, does the issue of "families", which aren't breaking down, and are symptom—not a cause—of societal harmony. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Jun 8 11:55:55 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 8 11:22:55 2011. Yes, affirmative action does far more harm than good, for every group involved. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Jun 8 11:56:48 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 11:42:52 2011. It's called stereotype threat. But what's your evidence? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 11:59:56 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by JayMan on Wed Jun 8 11:48:58 2011. Yes, I think that's what he's sayingThat's racist, then. Even reverse-racist, given his stated roots. and your evidence is? Everywhere you look. Statistics bear that out as well. have you ever backed up ANYTHING you've posted with fact? A single piece of objective evidence? All the time. You don't happen to read those posts, though. Have you ever backed up anything you say with anything other than biased garbage? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 8 12:04:51 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 11:59:56 2011. What race has AEM claimed to be? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 12:28:54 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 8 12:04:51 2011. He said Haitian, and UIM black Haitian rather than any other race. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Jun 8 14:23:38 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 11:59:56 2011. >>>Yes, I think that's what he's sayingThat's racist, then. Even reverse-racist, given his stated roots. Empirical propositions are never racist. Even if we didn't have evidence that they are correct, merely to entertain a potential fact about the world is not racist. >>>>and your evidence is? Everywhere you look. Statistics bear that out as well. Please give me one example. Let me ask this: do understand the difference between correlation and causation? If you don't, don't worry, you have company, as many scientists do not seem to. >>>have you ever backed up ANYTHING you've posted with fact? A single piece of objective evidence? All the time. You don't happen to read those posts, though. Have you ever backed up anything you say with anything other than biased garbage? Yes, to be fair, you do post news articles, but none of them back up the claims you're making right now. I have my sources, and you should realize there is a reason that the ad hominem fallacy is a fallacy. What do you have to back up what you're saying? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jun 8 20:55:39 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 8 11:05:25 2011. In fact, he's a liberal whose own family practices self-segregationBias Note: I am a Caribbean American. elite and exclusive St. Francis Prep in Queens As much as I love my alma mater, I'd never say that it's elite and exclusive, and it's fallen somewhat in terms of status. It's a difficult school in terms of the admissions process, but it's not that elite. Hell, we're larger than any other Catholic high school in the city... I will always think of him as coming from a family who didn't want him to go to his "zone" high school in favor of the largely white Catholic Prep. FWIW, I know of racist, anti-white black people that did the same thing to avoid some of the questionable public schools. In my case, my parents wanted me to go to a good school that had a good reputation, and had the side benefit of being mostly white in order to aid with cultural assimilation... |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jun 8 20:59:24 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 8 12:28:54 2011. UIM black Haitian rather than any other race.I should also note that I do have some French ancestry as well. In fact, I probably should pay for a DNA test to determine the extent of my white ancestry on both sides. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 8 21:51:25 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 8 10:40:32 2011. I agree, Joe's Best Burger in Flushing (which unfortunately closed), and select Popeyes have prototype kiosk-ordering systems that do just fine IIRC. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 8 21:51:40 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 8 21:51:25 2011. Add Wawa to that list. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jun 8 21:56:10 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 8 21:51:25 2011. We don't have that high tech stuff out here. Not where I live anyway. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 8 22:20:38 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 8 11:22:55 2011. Problem is, minorities aren't happy with service and laboring jobs.Why should the minorities that are smart enough to work in higher-level positions be happy with those kinds of jobs? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 8 22:28:54 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Wed Jun 8 21:56:10 2011. Unless you are being very specific, that is false. There is such a kiosk at the Jack-in-the-Box at 1615 South Broadway, Los Angeles, CA 90015.That was where I first encountered such a kiosk. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jun 8 22:33:32 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 8 22:28:54 2011. Oh yeah. I even remember you saying that before. And now that I think about it, they could very well have that at the Jack's near me and I would never know since I never go inside. I almost always use the drive-thru window when I go to a fast food restaurant unless they don't have one. Still the times that I have gone inside at various restaurants, they didn't have it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 8 22:36:25 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 8 22:20:38 2011. They shouldn't. But they're usually the ones who do well on the civil service exam, or go to college. That's why regardless of the average IQ of a group, it's STUPID to judge people based on the other people in their race group. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 8 22:46:11 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by JayMan on Wed Jun 8 09:21:21 2011. For these people are poor not because of disenfranchisement from the market; they are poor because they have little to offer the market, because of their low IQ's, low contentiousness, and other less than marketable traits.I don't think that's true, everyday people with the characteristics you describe "wake up" & try to change their lives to get out of the situations they're in & sometimes even advance to respectable positions in the corporate world. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jun 8 22:54:38 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by JayMan on Wed Jun 8 09:21:21 2011. low contentiousness......is a positive attribute. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 8 23:23:25 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 8 22:20:38 2011. What about the minorities who can't score high enough on civil service exams and have to sue to get the job? That's who I'm talking about. Like the New Haven Firefighters, or FDNY's most recent exam. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 8 23:34:15 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Wed Jun 8 22:54:38 2011. I'm pretty sure he meant conscientiousness. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Jun 9 08:58:09 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 8 22:20:38 2011. >>>>Problem is, minorities aren't happy with service and laboring jobs.Why should the minorities that are smart enough to work in higher-level positions be happy with those kinds of jobs? They shouldn't. The problem is that most aren't that smart. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Jun 9 08:58:41 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 8 22:36:25 2011. Well said! |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Jun 9 09:11:52 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 8 22:46:11 2011. Some impoverished people work very hard and many do better themselves. Others work hard and fail to accomplish anything. Luck has a good part to play in who succeeds and who doesn't but often this is due to the abilities the person possesses. Anyone who succeeds must have had the traits to do so—i.e., a person with an IQ of 87 is never going to gain a respectable position in the corporate world no matter how hard they work.And then there are those that don't even try. Many minority individuals fall into this category, as they are less inclined to work hard. The point is that most poor people today are poor not because of lack of opportunity but rather lack of ability; our society is indeed fairer than it first appears. This will become even more true as social barriers to success continue to be removed. Indeed, this has been studied, and as it turns out that one's income (among middle class whites anyway, who were presumably the target population of this behavioral genetic study) is highly heritable, and all of the relationship between parents and their children in earnings is due to heredity (i.e., the parents' resources doesn't affect their children's eventual salaries). |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Jun 9 09:12:21 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Wed Jun 8 22:54:38 2011. Why do you say that? |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Jun 9 09:12:53 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 8 23:34:15 2011. LOL! Yup, I goofed, that's what I meant.... |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Jun 9 09:13:17 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by JayMan on Thu Jun 9 09:12:21 2011. I caught it now, I goofed... LOL |
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