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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 08:27:56 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 10 00:42:13 2024. He's not a real criminal.LOL. Or course he's a real criminal; he has a history of bribery and fraud. He just hasn't been convicted for most of his crimes. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 10 08:46:11 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 08:27:56 2024. His recent conviction was political.Had he not run again for POTUS, I don't think he would have been tried. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 08:58:55 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 10 08:46:11 2024. TRUTH! Next up is the sentencing. Its turned into a crap shoot as to if he'll get locked up or not. I used to think that getting locked up would never happen. I'm not so sure now.Word in the legal community is that there are so many "reversable errors" in his trial that the conviction will be tossed out. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 10 08:59:10 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jun 9 22:31:21 2024. Childish post even for you. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 09:03:02 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 10 00:04:44 2024. Wow! What an example of ignorance and hate. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 10 09:08:13 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 07:26:28 2024. Not to mention that Joe biden is the greatest president of your lifetime. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 10 09:27:06 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Jun 9 23:14:22 2024. Yet the deep blue state of Massachusetts population 2 million (40%) larger than New Zealand but had a death toll of 24,000 or 500% greater than New Zealand. Your entire motive is to blame Trump and your arguments are weak. You are just cherry picking one sample that conveniently ignores many other factors. Plat crooked poker with someone else. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 10 09:44:48 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 07:18:05 2024. Big Pharma made put like bandits |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 10 09:48:13 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 08:58:55 2024. The Democratic Machine > the legal community and fairness. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 10 09:48:29 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 10 08:46:11 2024. Of course not! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jun 10 10:38:09 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 10 09:27:06 2024. the deep blue state of Massachusetts population 2 million (40%) larger than New ZealandNew Zealand population 5.1 million. I assume you meant that Mass' population is 40% that of NZ. (Mathematics comprehension does not appear to be your strong point :=) blame Trump and your arguments are weak It's necessary to look at the timeline. I would attribute deaths up to April 2021 to be the direct result of Trumps policies. Infections that were present in the population on Jan 20, 2021 would require 3 months to fully propagate among the population. Remember it took 3 months for New Zealand's thorough lockdown in Mar 2020 to eliminate Covid from that country. The number of Covid deaths in Mass stood at 14,665 on 18 Apr 2021. The number of Covid deaths in NZ stood at 31, on 17 Apr 2021. That's 473 times more deaths for Mass vs. NZ in raw numbers and nearly 1200 times on a per population basis. Next look at Mass timeline after April 2021. As you noted, there were 25,586 Covid deaths by 10 Apr 2024. It means that 57.3% of Mass' Covid deaths were a direct result of Trump policies for this deep blue state. What about red states? Florida experienced 95,206 Covid deaths by 10 Apr 2024. Its total on 18 Aug 2021 was 34,951. It's percentage of deaths directly related to Trump policies was 36.7%. The remaining 63.3% were the result of the very red state policies of its governor. Tennessee, in honor of an expat motorman from Illinois? 30,726 total deaths in Apr 2024 and 12,756 deaths by 18 Apr 2021. That's 41.5% directly related to Trump and 58.5% due to its freedom from restrictions attitude. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 10:39:58 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 10 08:46:11 2024. Yes, he would have. The investigations started after he left office.And it’s not “election interference” because he’s not being stopped from running for office. If he drops out as a result, then you can claim “election interference.” |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 10:40:50 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 08:58:55 2024. LOL! The “word” is from the cherry-picked attorneys that Fox News has on their show to give hope to Trump’s supporters. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jun 10 10:58:41 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 10 09:44:48 2024. Big Pharma made put like banditsLet's look at why Big Pharma was necessary. First, news of the Covid outbreak in China was known by public health officials by late December 2019. It was known there was human-to-human transmission and the transmission was through aerosols by early January 2020. Italy's experience in January 2020, showed it was both highly contagious with high death rates. It was also known there were no vaccines prevent nor therapeutics to treat this disease. The only technique left to the medical profession to fight the disease was quarantine. Had the world's countries agreed to immediate and drastic action to contain the virus, it would have died out by April 2020. They did not, and the disease was out of control by April 2020, with no letup in sight. Trump announced "warp speed" to develop a vaccine on 15 May 2020. Had he and other world leaders taken action in January/February 2020, Covid would have been only a recent memory. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 11:14:42 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 10:40:50 2024. No, its more than that. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 10 11:15:24 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 10:39:58 2024. Wrong. If he went away after losing, then he would not have been a big target.But he immediately promised to run in 2024. This led to the charges and indictments. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 11:40:54 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 10:40:50 2024. Some prime examples of "reversible errors": 1st & foremost is the statue of limitations. Its been over 8 years since the "crime" 2. Merchan told the jury in the Trump trial that they do not need complete unanimity to convict the former president. He highlighted specifically that if the jurors did not agree on what the crime was, but did agree a crime was committed, he would treat it as a unanimous verdict. How could the jury find someone guilty if they cant agree on what they are convicting him of? So they know he did something wrong but we cant agree on what it was is the yardstick used for a conviction? Thats supposed to be justice? I don't think so. All That is blatantly unconstitutional. A jury has to come back with a unanimous vote either way. Thats one of the basics of our criminal justice system. 3. The Judge should have recused himself since he's known to have contributed to the Biden/Democratic campaign. BTW that's from Newsweek, not Fox news |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 10 12:09:23 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jun 10 10:38:09 2024. No. 40% greater than 5 million is 7 million. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 12:27:56 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 11:14:42 2024. Reasonable legal commentators are saying that Trump definitely has potential grounds for appeal, but it's undecided law and it could go either way.Fox legal commentators are pretty much saying this is the greatest perversion of justice in American history. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 12:31:30 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 11:40:54 2024. How could the jury find someone guilty if they cant agree on what they are convicting him of?Typical Fox perversion of the facts. The jury convicted him unanimously of falsifying business records to conceal a crime. Yes, the Court of Appeals might decide that the judge erred in telling the jury that they did not have to agree on what that crime was. But this is currently an undecided matter of law. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 12:33:46 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 10 09:44:48 2024. The sources I cited were not big Pharma. They were medical experts who do not get a kickback from anyone for pointing out that masks can be helpful.If anything, if more people had taken the advice to wear masks more often, sales of Paxlovid would be lower. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 12:46:59 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 12:31:30 2024. Goes back to the same question, what crime?BTW the basis of my post was not from Fox. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 12:48:28 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 11:40:54 2024. 1. This was already briefed. The statute of limitations for the felony is five years, and that’s what he was charged with and convicted of. The SOL is also tolled by absence from the state.2. Because they were unanimous on the conviction. What they didn’t have to be unanimous on is which underlying crime (which he didn’t have to be convicted of) was the crime being concealed. 3. This isn’t grounds for recusal. Same difference. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 12:50:08 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 12:46:59 2024. The jury instructions listed the crimes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 12:51:22 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 10 11:15:24 2024. His not going away included January 6 and the fake elector scheme. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 10 13:23:28 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jun 10 10:58:41 2024. It IS a faint memory |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 10 13:29:42 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 11:40:54 2024. 1. Orange Man Bad.2. Orange Man Bad. 3. Orange Man Bad. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 13:49:55 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 10 13:29:42 2024. He is bad because he is a criminal. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 14:17:35 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 12:46:59 2024. OK, fine, Fox doesn't have an exclusive contract with these commenting lawyers. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 14:19:39 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 11:40:54 2024. Ah yes, #3. So the logical conclusion is that Alito and Thomas should resign from the Supreme Court for obvious sympathies with right wing causes. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 17:11:45 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 14:19:39 2024. Maybe a logical conclusion for you, but not for rational thinkers.Truly apples and oranges |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 17:14:25 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 17:11:45 2024. It’s the same thing. If Judge Merchan is biased because he’s a Democrat (in a jurisdiction where judges are elected on partisan ballots), then why not force appellate judges to recuse because their political views are known? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 10 17:14:41 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 17:11:45 2024. Appropriate response |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 10 17:16:28 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 17:14:25 2024. So then, you would also have to ask sodamaker, kagen and Jackson-Brown to also recuse themselves, having been appointed ny progressive presidents |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 19:18:50 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 17:14:25 2024. One more thing, The Judges daughter, Loren, is president of Authentic Campaigns, a Chicago based progressive political consulting firm. Dem clients of his daughter include Adam Schiff. On the strength of the Judges' participation in the trial, its turned into a cash cow for donations which total over $90mil towards Biden's reelection.Bottom line here is if all that doesn't represent a conflict of interest inasmuch getting $$$ donations for presiding (with deep Dems connections) over a trial against a political opponent, I don't know what is. Just more fuel for an overturned verdict. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 19:59:45 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 10 19:18:50 2024. Um, Alito's wife opposes the rule of law as it applies to the presidential succession.People are not viewed as being responsible for their children and parents (or else JFK, Gerald Ford, and Bill Clinton would all have been disqualified from the Presidency), but they are supposed by many to be able to have some say about how their spouses act. So again, if Merchan's daughter disqualifies him, Alito is out of a job too. By the way, Merchan got pre-approval from the applicable ethics board for his decision not to disqualify himself. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 21:24:06 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 19:59:45 2024. And Thomas’s wife! And in any case a spousal relationship is closer than the relationship between a father and an adult daughter. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 10 23:48:39 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 21:24:06 2024. And in what business does Mrs. Thomas financially benefit from her husband's rulings? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 10 23:49:50 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 19:59:45 2024. Another alm bullshit post |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 01:26:47 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 13:49:55 2024. He's "bad" because he said "bad hombres", and the spiraling started from there. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 01:29:19 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 19:59:45 2024. Of course he got pre-approved, all part of the shenanigans! |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jun 11 05:48:59 2024, in response to If Trump Wins..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jun 4 11:49:03 2024. Corrected. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 11 08:05:35 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 10 23:48:39 2024. And in what business does Mrs. Thomas financially benefit from her husband's rulings?2000: Gore v. Bush https://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/12/us/contesting-vote-challenging-justice-job-thomas-s-wife-raises-conflict-interest.html?ref=virginia_lamp_thomas ...The wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas said today that she was working at a conservative research group gathering resumes for appointments in a possible Bush administration but that she saw no conflict between her job and her husband's deliberations on a case that could decide the presidency... 2009: Citizens United https://www.politico.com/story/2011/02/justice-thomass-wife-now-lobbyist-048812 Justice Thomas’s wife now lobbyist ...Now, Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, wife of Justice Clarence Thomas, has recast herself yet again, this time as the head of a firm, Liberty Consulting, which boasts on its website using her “experience and connections” to help clients “with “governmental affairs efforts” and political donation strategies... Late that year, she establishedLiberty Central, a group she envisioned as forming a bridge between the conservative establishment and the anti-establishment tea party movement. It was a new role and a new measure of prominence for Thomas, and it marked the beginning of a string of headaches for her and her husband. Legal ethicists asserted that Thomas’s role could compromise her husband’s impartiality, especially since the group is not required to report its donors and could have benefitted from the Supreme Court’s Citizens United ruling last year in which Justice Thomas sided with the majority in a decision that allowed corporations to fund campaign ads, often without disclosing their contributions. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jun 11 09:59:13 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 19:59:45 2024. "So again, if Merchan's daughter disqualifies him, Alito is out of a job too."Um, Merchan is involved in a high profile case involving a former president. The scrutiny and microscopes are heavily focused on that, more so than anything Alito is involved with. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 11 10:06:17 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jun 11 09:59:13 2024. But if you forget about merchan, then quid pro quo AlM will forget about Alito |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 10:29:56 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jun 11 09:59:13 2024. OMG LOL! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 11 10:32:18 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 10:29:56 2024. But for phoney AlM-ists like you, Alito would not be an issue of Merchan was overlooked |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 10:34:02 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 01:26:47 2024. No, he was already bad.1. No previous political experience. 2. Uninformed 3. Unwilling to be informed 4. Appeals to the far right 5. Malignant narcissist And of course, his presidency and its aftermath proved the haters right. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 11 10:36:32 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 10:34:02 2024. Oooh, malignant narcissist? AlM has taught you well, grasshopper. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 11 11:05:37 2024, in response to Re: If Trump Wins..., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jun 11 09:59:13 2024. The scrutiny and microscopes are heavily focused on that, more so than anything Alito is involved with.Can I have some of your Kool-Aid? It sounds wonderful. |
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