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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 18 15:23:01 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 18 14:44:41 2024. Do you still wash your clothes in gasoline? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 18 18:31:44 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 18 10:15:40 2024. You have that now. Gas trucks with 12k gallon capacity are all over the roads. Theres no outcry to get rid of them. IIRC the get their gas from Meeker ave in Greenpoint or at the GATX outlet in Carteret NJ to serve the NY metro area and get right on the highways. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 18 18:40:08 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 18 18:31:44 2024. Yes, but that’s because there’s demand for them. If demand drops, a lot of gas stations will go out of business. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jan 18 18:51:22 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 18 18:31:44 2024. Remember when NYC only had the smaller gasoline trucks, painted red, with the words "danger gasoline" on all of them? When did they allow the bigger trucks, I know it's probably 20-30 years ago? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 18 19:04:17 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jan 18 18:51:22 2024. Thats true. I worked for a midwestern outfit from Blue Island Ill. It was a gas company called Martins Petroleum. My gas station was at Coney Island Ave & 18th Ave and were serviced by two 3000 gal trucks. The trucks were labeled "Premium Gasoline-Danger".As far as when they allowed the larger trucks, IIRC it started around the time the gas shortage started in the early to mid 70s |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 18 22:20:33 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 18 18:40:08 2024. Not in your lifetime |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 19 08:00:23 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 18 18:31:44 2024. You speak of now when it is normal for rolling bombs to drive up near homes.When it becames rare again the perceptions will change. The original ideas for zoning came about because of a gas station in a residential zone. Check out nuclear waste or reactor transport's. It will become that difficult. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 19 08:02:56 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 18 22:20:33 2024. I've seen gas stations fail. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 09:39:02 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 19 08:00:23 2024. My feeling is, if you like electric cars, fine. If you like gasoline cars, also fine. Why should there be any argument? The only argument we should have is that the government shouldn't force us either way. I don't like gas cooking or heating but the government shouldn't force us to use electric. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 09:44:13 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 19 08:02:56 2024. I know in my area in East Meadow there are an awful lot less gas stations than when I started driving in the 70's. There were intersections where there were four, one on each corner. Now the same intersections have none, just 7-11's, Duncan Doughnut's, pharmacies like CVS or Rite Aid, banks, or office bldgs. A couple I know just got rid of the gas part but kept the mechanics part. And in the stations that does exist you can't even put air in your tires without a slew of quarters. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 19 09:49:22 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 09:39:02 2024. IAWTP! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 19 09:51:00 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 09:44:13 2024. Out here in western Pa. they have air machines that accept debit & credit cards! |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jan 19 09:59:35 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 09:44:13 2024. And in the stations that does exist you can't even put air in your tires without a slew of quarters.At one time "Hess" had free air. I don't know if their replacement kept the free air. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jan 19 10:04:34 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 19 09:51:00 2024. Sadly I must admit I have a Ryobi (made in China) to keep my pressure correct. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 10:09:41 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 09:39:02 2024. Gas heating is better than oil.The obvious reason is to decrease emissions of molecular waste. I use the term “molecular waste” by reference to “nuclear waste.” A nuclear power plant contains its harmful byproducts, whereas an organic power plant doesn’t and this is somehow considered acceptable. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 10:11:37 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 19 09:49:22 2024. IDWTP |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 10:15:39 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 19 09:51:00 2024. They have those in New York and I have used it. Now I carry an electric pump in the trunk. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 19 10:19:40 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 10:15:39 2024. Smart move. I too have one that plugs into what was once called a cigarette lighter |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 10:25:30 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 19 10:19:40 2024. I still call it a “cigarette lighter”. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 19 10:26:02 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 09:39:02 2024. "The only argument we should have is that the government shouldn't force us either way. "I am not involved in this arguement that people keep trying to force me into. Mainly because it is a nonsense debate of fiction and a waste of time. The government didn't force me into using LED versus LCD Televisions. Or the brand of shoes that I wear either. It's also a nonsense debate because frankly, more than half of the people out there aren't smart enough to be in a car to begin with, why do I want to give them something with so much power and utility of an electric car that they definately will be dangerous in. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 19 10:26:24 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 19 10:26:02 2024. Because I love being 900 yards ahead of everyone at every light. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 19 10:27:04 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 19 09:51:00 2024. tap to payment right here. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 19 10:28:13 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 09:44:13 2024. There's sleepy intersection not far from me which has two gas stations on opposite sides a few feet from each other.Owned by the same company. Chevron/Texaco. If not for that, there'd probably only be one. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 19 10:28:48 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 19 10:19:40 2024. Fords and Cybertruck have real outlets I believe. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 11:16:09 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 10:11:37 2024. Why do you disagree? You don't think the government is getting too strong. Heck, we can't even take our temperature with a real thermometer with mercury any more. We can't even walk between cars on the subway. We are forced to wear seatbelts in cars or we hear a loud shrill sound. We have to wear helmets on bikes if we don't want to. We have to give up valuable parking spaces and lanes for the few bicycles. And don't get me started on congestion pricing and tolls. Why do I have to pay $7 just to get off Long Ireland onto the mainland? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 11:19:04 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 10:09:41 2024. I don't care if it's better. I should have a choice. Anyway, you never hear of a house or neighborhood exploding due to a fuel oil leak. I'm afraid of gas. And the government wants us to get rid of gas heat too, in favor of electric. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 19 11:32:51 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 11:16:09 2024. Heck, we can't even take our temperature with a real thermometer with mercury any more.And we are healthier for it. Too many people break the damn things. There are many reasons the US has better life expectancy than Somalia, and regulations designed to reduce health hazards are one of them. And my taxes pay some of the medical cost of others not wearing seat belts. So I'm not so upset that the seat belt noise is there. Public opinion keeps Congress from doing stuff that's too off the wall. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 11:34:24 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 11:16:09 2024. The environment is a public good, being both non-rival and non-excludable, and is therefore within the proper ambit of government regulation.I don’t care about seat belt laws as I would always wear a seat belt. What pisses me off is the latest Tesla “recall” that screams whenever I look away from the road while on autopilot. What the fuck is the point then? But those things have nothing to do with each other. I can be for one form of government regulation, namely limiting harmful emissions into the atmosphere, but against others. Even so, it’s entirely a legitimate power of our government to charge for the use of roads even if I personally hate it. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 19 11:34:36 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 11:19:04 2024. If Greenland's ice melts, sea levels go up 20 feet.If Antarctica's ice melts, they go up 200 feet. Don't you think it's worth avoiding that? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 11:35:21 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 19 11:32:51 2024. I don’t even see an upside to mercury thermometers. At least internal combustion still has an upside. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 19 11:37:17 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 11:34:24 2024. What pisses me off is the latest Tesla “recall” that screams whenever I look away from the road while on autopilot. What the fuck is the point then?That's because Tesla deliberately chose to give the feature the name "autopilot" when it isn't actually that. All it truly is is "help you to drive more safely while you are still actually driving" but that description doesn't have as much sizzle. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 19 11:38:02 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 11:35:21 2024. Which is why it was so much less controversial to phase out mercury thermometers. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 11:39:12 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 11:19:04 2024. I have, because it’s so extremely rare that every instance is newsworthy.They want us to get rid of gas heat, but we should start with oil. I don’t think it’s worth retrofitting a heat pump in place of gas, but new construction is fine. But oil should be replaced with electric and the government should subsidize it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 11:43:16 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 19 11:37:17 2024. It is actually “autopilot” though. Just as autopilot on a plane will maintain level flight, this will maintain level driving. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 19 11:52:16 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 19 11:37:17 2024. I see commericals for Government Motors and Ford where they have people doing other things and are distracted while the car is driving.Why is that ok? My enhanced autopilot will do everything but for the intersections. I'm tempted to go fsd for 99/month. People who drive manuals don't understand. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 19 11:53:44 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 18 10:06:25 2024. Still on there |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jan 19 11:58:53 2024, in response to Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 12 10:48:02 2024. https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/ford-to-cut-production-of-electric-f-150-pickups-amid-weaker-demand-df2f2763I'll just leave this right here... Like I said, the Metric System experiment all over again. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 12:25:47 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jan 19 11:58:53 2024. Metric failed because Reagan kneecapped it. It’s still the superior system. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 12:28:20 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 11:35:21 2024. Digital thermometers are not accurate. They change drastically within seconds. But that isn't even the point. Even if there is no upside we should have a choice. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 19 12:30:16 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jan 19 11:58:53 2024. Maybe you should dig a little deeper of how Ford doesn't want to sell the vehicles and the dealers play games of adding a $50k "dealer fee" and such.No one wants to spend 200k on a vehicle. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 19 12:31:38 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 12:28:20 2024. My car themometer does not change that rapidly. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 19 12:31:59 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 19 11:34:36 2024. If that ever happens, one has to factor in the cyclical nature of planet cooling and warming. After all, there was an ice age with huge glaciers all over the planet. They formed, melted/retreated without any help from primitive man, unless primitive man used too much wood for heating and cooking. Cant blame natural gas here. The only natural gas produced was a by product of digestion. And lets not forget all those methane producing cows! |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 19 12:33:38 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 19 12:31:59 2024. Hertz has CNG vehicles now? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 12:34:27 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 19 11:32:51 2024. 1. So the government should punish the ones who don't break them?2. We'll still have better life expectancy than Somalia considering the vast majority of people don't reduce their health hazards. WATER ALWAYS FINDS ITS LEVEL! 3. Our taxes pay for a lot of things we might be against BTW, is the reason we don't have red pistacchio nuts any more due to government regulation?
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 12:42:54 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 19 12:31:59 2024. Why do I have to keep repeating this?The same phenomenon can have both natural and artificial causes. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 19 12:56:36 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 11:43:16 2024. this will maintain level drivingYes, but planes don't have to stop at stop signs. Cars do, and Teslas on autopilot don't do it with sufficient reliability. Along with other serious peccadillos. And yes, you can claim that autopilot saves many more lives than it kills off early, but TNHIW with product safety. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 19 12:59:38 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 12:28:20 2024. Alcohol thermometers are just as accurate as mercury.Do you think women should also still have access to those nice cosmetics with arsenic in them? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 19 12:59:47 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 19 12:31:38 2024. I'm talking about fever or body heat thermometers.
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 13:14:52 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 19 12:56:36 2024. 1. There are no stop signs on the highway. And enhanced autopilot stops at stop signs.The problem of course is that now if I want to look away from the road, I can do it the old fashioned way while actually driving. Good job NHTSA! |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 19 13:20:36 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 19 13:14:52 2024. I accept that the deaths were from misuse of autopilot. But that misuse is partly due to misrepresentation by the company. |
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