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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 20:26:27 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 29 18:10:25 2014. LOL! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 20:31:45 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 19:22:40 2014. I never trust statements that include absolutes but do not come with proof. Please show your source for your comment that , "no hospital has been willing to give them admitting privileges. "Sarcasm aside, the liberal obama administration has been no slouch in the area of burdensome regulations - I give you obamacare as an example. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 20:39:26 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 20:23:42 2014. Bwhen it comes to the application of rights it does. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 20:41:23 2014, in response to Re: Some Stats --Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 20:15:48 2014. I am pro-choice myself but I also believe in States Rights. This is the way Texas chooses to deal with the issue. I disagree with Colorado and how it deals with a certain recreational drug. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 29 20:43:57 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 10:43:43 2014. Yeah and no alarmist loss either |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 20:45:07 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 29 14:44:56 2014. Pregnancy requires a medical procedure to cure in most cases: either childbirth or abortion. Abortion is actually the safer of the two. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 20:53:30 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 20:25:18 2014. I certainly agree although I would mention that Good Friday is officially observed in 14 states. However, I was referring to the beliefs of the poster to whom I was responding when she said that until birth, the life of the mother is paramount. That may be her view but their are others who certainly might disagree. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 29 20:53:51 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 20:45:07 2014. Yes but its not a disease, plague, or disorder asshe makes it oout go be |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Mar 29 22:06:38 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 29 15:41:05 2014. It's been a slow day, Luch. Tomorrow I hope to take some train pictures. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 22:22:28 2014, in response to Re: Some Stats --Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 20:15:48 2014. LuchAAA is pro-abortion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 22:23:42 2014, in response to Re: Some Stats --Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 20:41:23 2014. I believe in the Constitution, which places federal laws above those of states. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 22:25:46 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Dave on Sat Mar 29 15:09:36 2014. Or rather they used it as an excuse for something they would have wanted anyway. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 29 22:26:21 2014, in response to Re: Some Stats --Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 22:23:42 2014. As do I.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 29 22:33:46 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Dave on Sat Mar 29 15:09:36 2014. There are already laws in all 50 states dealing with a Kermit Gosnell situation. This was a clever way to limit abortions. Besides the unintended consequence of people going black market for abortions they're going to have anyway, I wonder if now other medical procedures that non-doctors have been performing will be scrutinized.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 29 22:36:38 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 18:47:31 2014. You have a point but I can't think of a regulation on the books that would result in something similar to people going underground for a medical procedure.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 29 22:38:33 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 29 18:10:25 2014. There are already laws in place to deal with a Gosnell situation. Don't forget, Gosnell was brought to justice.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 22:53:52 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 29 20:24:52 2014. That's sad. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 22:55:50 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 20:39:26 2014. No, it doesn't. Non-citizens have rights too. The right to not be murdered. |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Sat Mar 29 23:07:12 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 19:22:40 2014. a can think of more valid reasons for Texas requiring admitting privileges than i can for NYC requiring tour guides to get a license |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 29 23:52:06 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 19:24:28 2014. Yeah, as usual in the face of reality, he decided to go beat up a girl as usual, just like his other republican friends. :-\ |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 30 00:01:14 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 29 22:33:46 2014. Get the ball-snippers first! :) |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Mar 30 07:52:31 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 22:25:46 2014. Probably. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Mar 30 07:59:55 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 18:56:59 2014. WABB.12 weeks. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 30 08:46:45 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Dave on Sun Mar 30 07:59:55 2014. EEG not EKGEKG reads heart beat and rate. That is discernible at 12 weeks. EEG shows brain activity. At 12 weeks a fetus only has a brain stem and protocerebellum. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 30 10:17:55 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 20:25:18 2014. What beliefs should they be based on?You can't base them on facts alone. Facts may provide information but they do not by themselves dictate the path that should be taken. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 30 10:30:23 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 30 10:17:55 2014. Yes you can. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Mar 30 10:37:28 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 30 08:46:45 2014. 26 to 27 weeks is when they become bilaterally synchronous and you start to see the capacity for functional pain perception (whereas general response to painful stimuli occur aroudn 20 weeks)20 weeks is when you generally see the first burst of EEG activity and the development of the connections that will eventually lead to the capacity for functional pain perception. There are places that have claimed EEG activity at 12 weeks but from what I have read that may be a false positive because the connections for it to mean anything have not been developed yet. To put it another way it is like building a rail depot and not installing any tracks to it |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Mar 30 10:55:48 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 30 08:46:45 2014. 12 weeks |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 30 11:33:18 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 20:31:45 2014. So you are OK with burdensome regs as long as they regulate something you don't like. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 30 11:36:00 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 30 10:17:55 2014. We have certain (non-religious) principles that guide the US - like life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness, all men are created equal, etc. These do not depend on a religious underpinning. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Mar 30 12:25:14 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 30 11:33:18 2014. Most people are. Just like they hate subsidies unless they get some :)your pal, Fred |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 30 12:33:32 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Fred G on Sun Mar 30 12:25:14 2014. Yep. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 30 14:32:59 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 30 10:30:23 2014. The reason why you can't is that facts are "is" statements. Laws are "ought" statements. You need something to bridge the cap between the "is" and the "ought." If you aren't going to use religion to do that, you have to suggest something else.This goes to the heart of the failure of a materialistic outlook on the cosmos. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 30 14:37:49 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 30 11:36:00 2014. These principles are all but meaningless. Everyone has different opinions about what these things are and how we should go about obtaining them.E.g. we want liberty but every law places a restriction on my liberty. That "all men are created equal" is not given as a fact. It depends on a pre-conceived philosophy that must be based on something else. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 30 14:39:32 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Dave on Sun Mar 30 10:55:48 2014. Yow! |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 30 14:42:36 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 30 14:37:49 2014. They are not meaningless. They are general principles that have been fleshed out over more than 2 centuries by Congress, the people and the courts. They have well-developed legal meanings today.If they are meaningless, so are many religious propositions like "love your neighbor as yourself." |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 30 14:48:24 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 30 14:42:36 2014. "Love your neighbor as yourself" is a meaningful statement. It has a subject, a predicate, and is of the imperative type."Life," "liberty," etc. are not a meaningful statements. They are terms, and terms whose definitions, like you say, need to be fleshed out. They do not lend themselves to any discernible action, by themselves. The way in which they are fleshed out will depend on something that is not merely factual having an effect. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 30 14:53:49 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 30 14:48:24 2014. "Love" is equally a term whose definition needs to be fleshed out. And what's the discernible action that it requires? Charity? Niceness? Tithing? Volunteer work? Paying taxes? Turning the other cheek? Giving all my assets away? Sex? Beats me.Life, liberty, et al., are words in a sentence in the Declaration that has a subject and a predicate as well. Your distinctions are distinctions without a difference. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 30 14:59:54 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 30 14:53:49 2014. Yes, those are words in a sentence but you do not refer to the sentence. You refer to these words themselves as guiding principles. Yet there are times when all of those principles are ignored, for example: imprisonment (deprived of liberty), capital punishment (deprived of life).And yes, the statement about loving your neighbor may need clarification regarding what the speaker means by love, but once that clarification is made, a meaningful statement has been provided. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 30 15:02:49 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 30 14:53:49 2014. You're equating love with paying taxes? Phew. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 30 15:03:01 2014, in response to US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 28 16:53:07 2014. what a clusterfuck this thread turned into thanks largely to #nicewife |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 30 15:05:25 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Dave on Sun Mar 30 10:55:48 2014. All of which are reflexive, indicative of a protocerebellum.Nor can a 12 week old fetus think reason, eat, see, hear etc. or surive on its own. Specious argument. There is no high level brain function for another 15ish weeks. That is when fetal viability comes into the equation, and law can then take force. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 30 15:10:38 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 30 15:05:25 2014. So now it's "high level" brain function? Let us know when you're ready to make it the ability to think abstractly and/or build a castle.A newborn baby cannot survive on its own either. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 30 15:14:56 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 30 15:03:01 2014. So your adding microaggression is going to make it any better? This is an issue for women, and since I'm generally the only one around , you gotta deal.No male has the right to force any woman to do anything with her body she does not consent to. End of argument, adolph Hitler and all that internet qwap. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 30 15:17:27 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 30 15:14:56 2014. You bring up a good point. When all is said a done, a winner of a thread on SubChat really isn't that big a deal since SubChat isn't representative of the general population, or even close. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 30 15:19:12 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 30 15:10:38 2014. A newborn baby can take nutrition provided to it on its own. A 12 week fetus cannot.The EEG thing about the 12 weeks is based on the most rudimentary low level functioning. It is indicative of a nervous system. It is not indicative ofa fetus being viable. EEG in this discussion means full brain functioning, also known as viability. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 30 15:20:16 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 30 15:17:27 2014. He can't deal with my having won there. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 30 15:20:49 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 30 14:59:54 2014. Well, I was short handing a bit. THIS is the guiding principle:"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That's a pretty good sentence. Meaningful, too. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 30 15:21:56 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 30 15:02:49 2014. Paying taxes that help those in need? Yes. Though the sex is more fun. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 30 15:23:53 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 30 15:19:12 2014. There are cultures that do not consider a newborn a full human. |
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