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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 29 20:26:12 2022, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 29 08:38:43 2022. I used to walk from my family's home to the Shortline station, because they bus was so awful. It was almost like it didn't exist. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 29 22:20:44 2022, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 29 08:31:06 2022. The City wouldn’t let them purchase new buses in the early 2000s, because they wanted public support for the MTA taking over the private companies. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Wed Nov 30 00:17:33 2022, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 29 22:20:44 2022. More accurately the city wouldn’t purchase buses for the private companies. |
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Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines (MAX and the QBM1) |
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Posted by Pelham Exp on Wed Nov 30 01:05:45 2022, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines (MAX and the QBM1), posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 29 08:41:22 2022. MY Uncle drove M30 High Senority route great pay and not alot of aggravation. |
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Posted by italianguyinsi on Wed Nov 30 02:04:32 2022, in response to Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 7 12:03:55 2020. Command Bus Lines |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 30 04:00:03 2022, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Nov 29 11:59:10 2022. I never went to the other side of the Van Wyck down there in those days, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Q40 was better operated than the Q9. The Q9 had to deal with traffic in Downtown Jamaica while the Q40 ran straight up Sutphin and didn’t have to deal with that.The MCI Classics, Orion Vs, and the RTS’ that had the electronic signs were beat up in my experience. Ironically the older rollsign RTS’ had a better ride quality, but they were hot as hell in the summer. I remember once when I was waiting for the Q9 back to Jamaica, the driver was super late coming from Jamaica (as usual) and missed her entire layover break. That didn’t stop her from making a quick stop at the chicken joint on Rockaway Blvd and then eating while driving back to Jamaica though. She had one hand on the wheel, and was eating, drinking, and operating the doors from another hand, I will never forget that lol. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 30 04:07:40 2022, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Nov 29 14:16:46 2022. Green Bus as it was would not have survived this TikTok-era. I only rode the Q33 to LGA during the Triboro days, and it seemed to run decent enough, but again I imagine the Q33 was Triboro’s cash cow, and that they made an effort to provide decent service along that line. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 30 04:10:59 2022, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 29 22:20:44 2022. IDK about that, while Green Bus was going down the drain in the early 00s, NYBS was running new buses on their routes, and their MCI Classics seemed to be in much better shape than Green Bus’ too. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 30 04:11:42 2022, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 29 20:26:12 2022. That walk down Route 17K is rough! Respect! |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 30 11:04:06 2022, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by Allen45 on Wed Nov 30 00:17:33 2022. All this Green Bus talk is reminding me on how I used to mysteriously see Green Bus deadhead along Flatbush Avenue through Downtown Brooklyn all the time on their way to the Rockaways or Manhattan, they were always Orion Vs too. Once MTA Bus took over, I stopped seeing JFK/Far Rockaway buses in Downtown Brooklyn. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 30 12:58:35 2022, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by Allen45 on Wed Nov 30 00:17:33 2022. Pwn3d |
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Posted by BusMgr on Wed Nov 30 18:13:37 2022, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 29 08:31:06 2022. [T]he Q10 was and still is a cash cow . . . .While true, in the sense of having fareboxes that collect many cash fares from passengers, it is also largely irrelevant. The manner in which the City of New York funded its public transportation systems was that the individual bus companies were made whole for their operating costs, plus profit based in part on service performance. Thus, the fact that a greater portion of the company's revenue came from the farebox, rather than from the city treasury, Was not especially important. The total amount received by the bus company remained the same, whether it was paid at the farebox or not. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Wed Nov 30 18:13:44 2022, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 30 04:10:59 2022. [I]n the early 00s, NYBS was running new buses on their routes, and their MCI Classics seemed to be in much better shape than Green Bus’ too.Decisions on the allocation of new buses were made by the City of New York, not by the bus companies themselves. Additionally, the amount that each bus company was "allowed" to spend to maintain buses was limited based on an arbitrary base year, and so some companies were able to spend more per bus on maintenance than other companies. (Companies could spend more than their expense caps, but anything they spent they paid themselves from their assets.) As well, each company used their bus fleets with different intensities. There was never any real effort on the part of the City of New York to reasonably allowable expenses for each company, and in the end the City simply threw up its hands, impliedly declaring its incompetence, and turning the whole thing over to the MTA. The MTA's "solution" was to then increase spending--unlike the private bus companies, the MTA was not bound by any City expense cap--resulting in better service at grossly inflated costs. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Wed Nov 30 21:25:48 2022, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by BusMgr on Wed Nov 30 18:13:44 2022. I'd maintain the private service was better. MTA is designed not to be accountable and is bureaucracy where they don't even appreciate their workers, the private bus companies were like small businesses that had family working environments, even GTJ REIT got good reviews for work culture on glassdoor.com. When you have better morale, that's also a factor in determining whether service is good or not. You can't have good service without good employee morale. |
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Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines (MAX and the QBM1) |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Nov 30 23:52:10 2022, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines (MAX and the QBM1), posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 7 16:48:56 2020. I heard the QBM1 and QBM2 chose different routes based on traffic, but Avenue U was specifically mentioned by people who used to work there. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Thu Dec 1 01:05:09 2022, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines (MAX and the QBM1), posted by JAzumah on Wed Nov 30 23:52:10 2022. I wonder if there’s any timetables and maps from Erin Tours that are extant. Also the extent that Erin Tours and Metro Apple merged and how the demise of both unfolded. There was some stuff vaguely referenced on Facebook but not much details. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Wed Jan 8 14:34:25 2025, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Nov 29 14:16:46 2022. Now how many private line employees still remain there. I think College Point, which was the largest PBL only has 58 drivers from Queens Surface left with no one from Queens Transit or Steinway Transit still driving a bus. The other PBL depots have less. |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Wed Jan 15 16:58:42 2025, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by hound on Sun Jun 7 12:58:29 2020. I'm surprised that Jerome Cooper (who already owned Triboro, JBI, Command) didn't try to buy Avenue B & East Broadway. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Wed Jan 15 18:26:55 2025, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Wed Jan 15 16:58:42 2025. At the time it was William Cooper who managed Green Bus Lines and I would imagine the problem would be finding garage space for Avenue B in Manhattan. The interesting part is I do not know how much of the younger generation of the Cooper family particularly care for GTJ REIT or the heritage of the bus companies? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 16 03:04:31 2025, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Wed Jan 15 16:58:42 2025. I was once told (although unverified) that the City actually owned the franchises to the Ave B & E Bway routes and merely leased them to the company. That may explain the reason. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Thu Jan 16 14:37:02 2025, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by randyo on Thu Jan 16 03:04:31 2025. The city issues franchises though? No one "owns" franchises if I am not mistaken. The city did demand that they vacate their garage at 225 Cherry Street to redevelop the land though. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Fri Jan 17 16:10:48 2025, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Wed Jan 15 16:58:42 2025. The one thing I do want to know is why the attempt by the Queens private bus companies to acquire Fifth Avenue Coach Manhattan routes during the January 1962 strike fail? Fifth Avenue Coach Lines management was perfectly happy to keep Surface Transit routes but get rid of Fifth Avenue Coach Manhattan routes before Weinberg took over. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Fri Jan 17 19:03:44 2025, in response to Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 7 12:03:55 2020. I remember riding some of the old Surface Transit 1948 vintage GM buses in the Bronx in the early 1960s. They were well worn out and poorly maintained. A lot of them belched black smoke out the back whenever the driver started up from a bus stop. By comparison the NYCTA and Queens Transit buses in Flushing where we lived were much better. Even the older GM buses were clean and well maintained and there were a lot of New Look buses on routes like the Q44 and Q25/34. I spent a lot of time riding the buses until I finally got my driver's license in 1970. |
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Posted by Snilcher on Sat Jan 18 00:28:57 2025, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by murray1575 on Fri Jan 17 19:03:44 2025. At the time of my main bus-riding phase (1968-1970), all the Rockaway buses (Green Line) and Staten Island buses (NYCTA) were Old Looks; all the others were New Look fishbowls with a few Flexibles here and there. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Sat Jan 18 09:31:45 2025, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by murray1575 on Fri Jan 17 19:03:44 2025. Yet Surface Transit was the most profitable out of the Fifth Avenue Coach empire. In fact once, MaBSTOA assumed operation of the routes, MaBSTOA was profitable for years afterwards. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sat Jan 18 21:13:45 2025, in response to Re: Nostalgia Corner: Some Old Bus Lines, posted by Allen45 on Sat Jan 18 09:31:45 2025. Many of the Surface Transit crosstown routes were converted from old trolley car routes in the late 1940s (the tracks remained on many streets for years until they were finally torn out or paved over) and ran virtually unchanged for many years. However some of them have been extensively modified in recent years as the MTA has attempted to improve bus service for Bronx residents. |
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