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Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield

Posted by lbt 9415 on Thu Dec 4 11:26:30 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Dec 4 07:29:06 2008.

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it's a lot better than than nothing and the can only be opened from the inside.

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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed

Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Thu Dec 4 12:55:27 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by mr_brian on Wed Dec 3 23:02:44 2008.

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Yeah. Tuesday night, over by my girlfriend house, a PPK bound B16 bus on Ocean Ave was sporting a B46: Kings Plz destination sign. A block away on Flatbush, I did not see any B41s sporting the destination. It wouldve been nice to see the KP bound B41s sporting that destination sign....

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Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 12:57:33 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by mr_brian on Wed Dec 3 23:02:44 2008.

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Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield

Posted by TheHat on Thu Dec 4 20:21:00 2008, in response to Re: Photo - Drivers Partition Shield, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Dec 4 09:31:25 2008.

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Agreed, Yes CP depot did for the connection from the N.Shore QM1a to the Downtown QM1. I used to change to fareset1 the local bus fare set and use the 1 or F1 key to print a transfer, but all other faresets have been disabled on our buses.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by mr_brian on Thu Dec 4 23:10:11 2008, in response to Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 12:57:33 2008.

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I saw another bus, this time an RTS, with a B46 tribute (B46 WILLIAMSBURG BRIDGE PLZ/ VIA UTICA)

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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed

Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Dec 5 01:36:41 2008, in response to Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Railman718 on Mon Dec 1 13:30:00 2008.

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Very sad, my condolances to the b/o's family and co-workers :(

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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed

Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Dec 5 01:37:44 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Thu Dec 4 12:55:27 2008.

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If in service, I guess it might've confused some riders.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Dec 5 05:01:23 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by mr_brian on Thu Dec 4 23:10:11 2008.

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I had to reinstruct numerous operators on this crap the past few days. I told them if they want to tribute the operator send the family some money!
Operators are forbidden from displaying unauthorized destination signs via directive.
I'll give them a few more days and then I'll get a few violations!

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by dontwalkhand on Fri Dec 5 11:44:33 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Dec 5 05:01:23 2008.

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Unauthorized destination signs do nothing but confuse riders, it is not my idea of a tribute.

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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed

Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sat Dec 6 00:23:51 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Dec 5 01:37:44 2008.

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Maybe.....

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Dec 6 04:09:18 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Dec 5 05:01:23 2008.

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Understandable if the bus was in service, but what if the bus was just deadheading back to the depot?

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Dec 6 05:09:58 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Grand concourse on Sat Dec 6 04:09:18 2008.

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Operators are forbidden to display anything except the route they are working and Not in Service/Next Bus Please signs. This directive was issued when the Yankees and Mets were in the subway series in 2000. Operators in all the boroughs were displaying BX6 Yankee Stadiums signs.
Because of the situation this week I have been only giving verbal warnings to the operators, but last night I did write a operator up for it because I caught him pulling in off route.
Many operators do this anyway and I normally just warn them, but after two warnings I give them a violation. Once I caught an operator with a Not in Service displayed while in service and I wrote him up for that.
Favorite signs are usually a Evacuation Center and Training Bus.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Dec 6 11:16:03 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Dec 6 05:09:58 2008.

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"Favorite signs are usually a Evacuation Center and Training Bus."
Don't forget "STORM ROUTE".

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Dec 6 11:59:40 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Dec 6 05:09:58 2008.

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Too tough man!

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by mr_brian on Sat Dec 6 13:21:52 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Dec 6 05:09:58 2008.

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BX13 YANKEE STD for the win!

LOL I've never seen any Mets-related destination signs (thank goodness)

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 6 14:27:59 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Dec 5 05:01:23 2008.

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Perhaps when these unfortunate events occur, a P/R reading can be programmed in so the sign can still display NOT IN SERVICE but also a tribute.

I agree, there are far better ways to honor the slain driver's life than displaying B46 destination signs that are potentially confusing to the riding public.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Dr. Casca on Sat Dec 6 15:47:16 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by mr_brian on Sat Dec 6 13:21:52 2008.

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I've seen them before...

X84 SHEA STADIUM, IIRC

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Dec 6 16:46:04 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Dec 5 05:01:23 2008.

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How did those cruisers get the B46 sign anyway?

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Dec 6 16:48:37 2008, in response to Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 12:57:33 2008.

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Most Grand Avenue buses that I see deadheading on Greenpoint Avenue display that sign, it's great that many operators are sticking together and paying respects to one another.

As for confusing passengers, unless the bus was deadheading near the B46 route itself, it shouldn't that much of an issue.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Dec 6 17:02:09 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Dec 6 16:46:04 2008.

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A standard computer chip for all NYCT buses. This way signage is not an issue when buses get transfered from depot to depot. It was a big issue back in the day of curtain signage.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Dec 6 17:02:58 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Dec 6 17:02:09 2008.

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SO then they changed/modifies these chips on Cruisers so they say B46?

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 6 17:08:21 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Dec 6 17:02:58 2008.

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It has been posted here many times that any NYCT bus can display the sign for any NYCT route.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Dec 6 17:19:12 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 6 17:08:21 2008.

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Well, I have not read those posts, thank you.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Dec 6 17:42:52 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by mr_brian on Sat Dec 6 13:21:52 2008.

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Yeah, I've always seen the Bx13 sign used.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Dec 6 17:46:39 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Dec 6 05:09:58 2008.

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Wow, that's kinda tough, but eh, your running the routes there, I am not going to tell you how to do things.
But perhaps give it till after the funeral services are over on Monday? Maybe some workers feels this is the best way to relieve their feelings? I know it's against protocol, but it's not often a co-worker is killed and hopefully this won't happen again for a while. [Hopefully they are sending more cops along the B46 line as well. If not undercover cops on the buses.]

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 6 17:52:10 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 6 14:27:59 2008.

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It's not confusing at all on DHD.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Dec 6 19:04:04 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 6 14:27:59 2008.

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Its not that it confusing, at least not in any borough outside of Brooklyn, but operators are forbidden from displaying any sign except what they are working.
Also if a bus is pulling in to the depot customers will just see a destination being displayed and not even bother to read it just seeing it says something other than not in service. Also disabled customers with vision problems will get confused.
I don't see how displaying a B46 sign is a memory to the operator.
If operators are permitted to do this they will display any sign except the one they are supposed to display.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Dec 6 19:05:58 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Dec 6 16:48:37 2008.

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Its good for me!
Its a good way to get a two-for or a hat trick!


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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Dec 6 19:23:22 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Dec 6 17:02:09 2008.

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Philly's New Flyer ETB's (Trackless) have almost every thinkable Philly Route programmed into their chips.



Trackless Electronic signs

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by TheHat on Sat Dec 6 20:57:38 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Dec 6 19:04:04 2008.

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I used to DHD from Wakefield 241 St. w/ the Q101R sign:)

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Dec 6 21:08:17 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by TheHat on Sat Dec 6 20:57:38 2008.

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When I was a operator I used to see what "secret" codes there were, like for lines that didn't exist at terminals and on the depot fuel lines, but I never displayed anything other than what was allowed while operating in the street.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by TheHat on Sat Dec 6 21:50:05 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Dec 6 21:08:17 2008.

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What no DHD w/ LIRR Service on the sign, come on your no fun :)

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Dec 6 22:23:32 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by TheHat on Sat Dec 6 21:50:05 2008.

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No, I'm strictly business.
Over the years my nicknames have been "the bull dog" and "the sheriff".
And thats the nice ones, not including whats on the bathroom walls.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Dec 6 22:36:55 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Dec 6 22:23:32 2008.

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lol, damn...

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by TheHat on Sat Dec 6 23:22:22 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Dec 6 22:23:32 2008.

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So, I take it you wouldn't approve of a bus commin' into a stop at say 35-40 MPH by any chance?

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Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 6 23:35:26 2008, in response to Re: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 2 18:45:11 2008.

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I'll even give you a better one that today would get the bus driver killed.

In the 1960's the driver had a bad day and became a little insane. This was when you had to pull the chord to signal to stop and it wasn't silenced after the first pull. Sometimes people would forget and pull it a second time after someone else already pulled it.

Apparently this day it was happening quite frequently and the driver was getting a little annoyed so he announced that if anyone pulls it a second time after it was already pulled, he wouldn't stop at all if no one was getting on. So this guy had to get off at Avenue T. He thought the bus driver didn't remember, (remember, no lit up sign to check) so he pulls it a second time just as the driver is approaching the stop. So the driver accelerates again and doesn't stop. He asks why and the driver said because you pulled it twice. The man gets so angry and next time purposely pulls it ten times. Again the stop is passed. For some strange reason, no one has to get on. (Guess there must have been another bus not too far in front of us.) The man continues to ring more than once per block and we continue going. He finally gives in and only rings once. But to his misfortune, someone else rings, so on we go. There is finally only one ring and the man gets off at Avenue K, over a mile from his destination. He probably had to take another bus back.

Now imagine if the driver worked for Mr. Softee instead.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Dec 6 23:35:48 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by TheHat on Sat Dec 6 23:22:22 2008.

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Safety's first. As long as I feel an operator has control of his vehicle thats what matters. You can observe an operator and tell whether he is in control of his bus or not.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Dec 7 00:34:04 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by TheHat on Sat Dec 6 21:50:05 2008.

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Nothing beats waiting for the S40 on Richmond Terrace during rush hour and being passed up by a S46, S91, S42, S51, S86, S48, S44, S67 and S78 before that S40 finally shows up.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by JAzumah on Sun Dec 7 02:02:47 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Grand concourse on Sat Dec 6 17:46:39 2008.

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He IS being lenient. All of the operators know the protocol and the last thing that anyone needs is a call saying that a driver flagged a passenger because a "Not In Service" sign was not displayed. Any bus without a Not In Service or Training Bus sign is considered by most passengers to be in service. They cannot tell the difference.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by JAzumah on Sun Dec 7 02:04:46 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sat Dec 6 22:23:32 2008.

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My kind of guy. You make upper management sleep better at night.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Dec 7 02:52:20 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by JAzumah on Sun Dec 7 02:04:46 2008.

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We have a whole new set of managers at MTV and the union tried bending the ear of the new AGS about my bring too proactive and aggressive. Luckily the AGS is a mentor of mine. He was my first line trainer when I graduated from school as a bus operator and I made dispatcher about two years after he did and we worked together for many years at Mother Hale.
He went into management and I'm happy for him.
Anyway he called me in and told me the union camplained about my work and he told me keep up the good work do not slow down at all.
Good thing about MTA is that you can't change anything here, but if you can make a little difference you've done a whole lot!

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Dec 7 03:14:52 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by JAzumah on Sun Dec 7 02:02:47 2008.

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good points.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by The TransitMan on Sun Dec 7 04:00:08 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by mr_brian on Thu Dec 4 23:10:11 2008.

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You know, I was in Ridgewood yesterday (12/6/08) and I saw numerous RTS buses from Fresh Pond trveling along Putnam Av heading towards downtown Ridgewood...I guess and most of those RTS buses had that "B46" sign on them. For a minute I thought Fresh Pond had a piece of the B46...LOL! A nice gesture!

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 7 09:17:26 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Grand concourse on Sat Dec 6 22:36:55 2008.

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no, it's sad, really

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 7 09:18:03 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Dec 7 00:34:04 2008.

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haha, pwn3d

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Dec 7 12:40:16 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Dec 6 11:59:40 2008.

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No it's not. People have a right to know what bus they are getting on.

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Dec 7 12:56:34 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 7 09:17:26 2008.

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You're sad, really. What is it with your hate for transit employees doing their jobs?

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Dec 7 12:57:47 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by JAzumah on Sun Dec 7 02:04:46 2008.

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iawtp

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Dec 7 12:59:05 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 7 09:18:03 2008.

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Taking great pleasure at others misfortune again, I see. UFB

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Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Dec 7 13:16:27 2008, in response to Re: Destination sign tributes (Was: Bus Operator on the B46 Stabbed), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 6 17:08:21 2008.

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Ummmm ANY "NYCTA bus". I don't think so, district boy.

You would do well to get your facts straight.



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