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Posted by MJF on Thu Jan 1 16:46:06 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 12:43:19 2009. Exactly. So quit thinking you know what's going on in this photo. You don't. If you really want to know, you'll submit the photo to NYCT and to the NYPD and ask them to investigate. If they agree to, and it results in charges, then you'll know what happenedIf the person in the photo is not an employee performing his duties and not authorized to be in that cab, which I'M SURE HE'S NOT, then I know all I need to know about what's going on. The kid is trespassing and impersonating a TA employee. |
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Posted by MJF on Thu Jan 1 16:48:37 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 1 14:26:01 2009. Nonetheless, let's not lose sight of the other problem: being where he oughtn't to be in clothes that he oughtn't to be wearing.At least YOU get the point. |
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Posted by MJF on Thu Jan 1 16:51:40 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Subterranean Railway on Thu Jan 1 13:43:06 2009. He is trespassing in a mock TA uniform for his personal photo. You should have a problem with this. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Thu Jan 1 17:11:59 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by MJF on Thu Jan 1 16:51:40 2009. As I said elsewhere in this thread, he's learning it from Darius. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 1 17:15:45 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by MJF on Thu Jan 1 16:48:37 2009. Hey, if he really likes that uniform and being in the cab, he can earn it by taking the open exam, this year. At which point it would help him a lot not to have a criminal record.... |
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Posted by rionOne on Thu Jan 1 17:20:19 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 1 14:26:31 2009. Absolutely nothing, it when that thought process is wrong. |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Thu Jan 1 17:22:36 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by mike cruz on Tue Dec 30 22:54:32 2008. Actually, he's in an operable cab. 1576 is an operating car and only the operable full-width cabs on the R62 have speedometers. The half-cabs do not have them. I see we are starting 2009 out very well here.Vader |
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Posted by TheHat on Thu Jan 1 17:41:57 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 1 14:17:59 2009. Not my point, weather or not he approves of it he's still backin' the wrong horse. Offering an affrimative defense of the any or all of these actions is troubling, and to argue the point is a little disturbing to me. He appears to be saying that we are givin' this kid a bad rap for no reason. There is plenty of reason, however people do make mistakes. As long as this guy know he did wrong and ceases the behavior that got him into trouble, he may not have any further problems. Offering an excuse for the pic. and spliting hair just doesn't cut it. I earned my position and he should too, not violate a half dozen laws and be given a free pass. |
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Posted by MJF on Thu Jan 1 17:44:43 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 1 17:15:45 2009. Indeed. Buffs with criminal records are not likely to have a good future with the TA. They usually end up with their photos on a bulletin in crew rooms and dispatchers offices. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Thu Jan 1 18:33:33 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by rr4567 on Thu Jan 1 11:43:42 2009. Malfunctioning? Don't think so. I keep my detector functioning on a daily basis. You seem to have a fetish for train parts. Don't come up with any more crap. I'm too smart for that stuff. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Thu Jan 1 18:35:03 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by rr4567 on Thu Jan 1 11:44:21 2009. Yeah! That's exactly what I said. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Jan 1 18:44:51 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by rr4567 on Thu Jan 1 11:43:42 2009. Nothing wrong with liking train parts as long as they are obtained legally. |
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Posted by rr4567 on Thu Jan 1 18:48:22 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by 33rd Street on Thu Jan 1 18:33:33 2009. NO, I don't. I have no interest whatsoever. What the hell am I gonna do with it? |
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Posted by rr4567 on Thu Jan 1 18:49:05 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by 33rd Street on Thu Jan 1 18:35:03 2009. How? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 20:02:40 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Jan 1 14:55:00 2009. You were certainly not the last.. Names have come up in two other investigations. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 20:10:10 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by vfrt on Thu Jan 1 15:22:42 2009. "As for the MTA patch, can those be bought legally at the TM gift shop or other places?"Moot point! You can buy a water pistol legally at Toys R Us. If you walk into a store and point it at the cashier and demand cash, congratulation - it's now armed robbery. Once the patch is used in this way, I believe that it's criminal impersonation. There is an affirmative defense - being that he allowed that picture to appear on the internet where it could wind up in the hands of the vandal squad - proves some level of mental disability. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jan 1 20:12:35 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 20:10:10 2009. Agreed! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jan 1 20:14:58 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 20:10:10 2009. When Law and Order films an episode, a stunt driver gets to drive a 15th Precinct police car up and down the street with the lights on. Perfectly legal with a film permit. Cool! (15 Precinct does not exist, by the way)But if he took that car and actually tried to pull somebody over... |
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Posted by MJF on Thu Jan 1 20:18:04 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jan 1 20:14:58 2009. When Law and Order films an episode, a stunt driver gets to drive a 15th Precinct police car up and down the street with the lights on. Perfectly legal with a film permitWhich would also require consent from the NYPD, no? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 20:33:19 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by MJF on Thu Jan 1 20:18:04 2009. Usually stated in the credits if done on location and not some set. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 20:39:44 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by MJF on Wed Dec 31 20:59:22 2008. The idea that anyone in authority would approve this known vandal, wearing a mock uniform, to be photographed depicting an illegal act, is beyond unreasonable. It is indicative of some very twisted & juvinal thought processes. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 1 20:44:39 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jan 1 13:50:04 2009. Yes,well there is/was a reason for that...thanks to Brian... |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Jan 1 20:50:00 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 20:02:40 2009. Talking about names coming up, you made Terrapins blog!"‘Train Dude’, an NYCT supervisor at one of the yards these trains are stored and maintained, posted on an online forum that the NYPD approved these ads - in other words, they don’t think there is any security risk from not being able to see into the cars." Guess he does want to maintain some type of friedship with you after all! |
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Posted by MJF on Thu Jan 1 20:51:45 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 20:39:44 2009. TS is trying to defend the indefensible. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 1 21:12:50 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 20:10:10 2009. Once the patch is used in this way, I believe that it's criminal impersonation.I think the point that some people are making is that it's not a crime to impersonate an MTA employee. Of course, the trespassing is a crime, no matter what you're wearing. |
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Posted by MJF on Thu Jan 1 21:16:10 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 1 21:12:50 2009. Even though he is impersonating an employee in order to gain access to a restricted area so he could pose for a picture? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 1 21:25:05 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by rionOne on Thu Jan 1 14:13:33 2009. he's always cheering them on..yet lacks the balls to do dirt himself....Hes the very worst of the Yellow Dog of a Cowardly Cowards. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 1 21:30:27 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 13:30:56 2009. hmmm..yet every MTA employee clearly stated he was..Shows you know nothing..and VERY CLEARLY know nothing about "the rules"... But maybe you do..and you are playing DEVILS ADVOCATE...trolling as usual... Get a clue..you present nothing but evil here... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 21:38:05 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Jan 1 20:50:00 2009. I'm impressed! Unfortunately, he does not realize that there is a difference between a supervisor and a manager. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 1 21:38:13 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 13:03:03 2009. Please shut up.Nobody should listen to you,if they value their freedom... Hows about you play dress up..break into a T/O cab..take a photo of it and post it HERE.... DO IT NOW....! |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 1 21:38:46 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by MJF on Thu Jan 1 21:16:10 2009. Even though he is impersonating an employee in order to gain access to a restricted area so he could pose for a picture?Being in the restricted area is clearly a criminal act - trespassing. Who says impersonating a non-police MTA employee is a crime? No one has cited anything in the criminal code about that. It might be a crime, but I personally doubt it. I suspect it's only the thing you achieve through the impersonation (trespass, fraud, whatever) that's the crime. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 1 21:43:22 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 1 21:12:50 2009. I think the point that some people are making is that it's not a crime to impersonate an MTA employee.Depends on the sense of 'impersonate'. It's not necessarily a crime to impersonate an MTA employee. So when Mrs. Claus likes it when Santa dresses up as a TSS dispatched to troubleshoot her caboose in their bedroom, and Santa does like she wishes, he's not doing anything criminal. (Maybe it's a sex crime in more puritanical places, but that's about it). But this sort of example is about a million miles away from what was the case here. This was roleplay alright, but it was on board MTA property in a restricted access area. But here, we are talking about an impersonation that is possibly a criminal act; it's hard to tell from what we know, but it could easily be the case that it indeed is. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 1 21:43:32 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 21:38:05 2009. Unfortunately, he does not realize that there is a difference between a supervisor and a manager.That, incidentally, is government agency jargon. In the vast majority of private companies there is no difference. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 21:46:49 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 1 21:38:46 2009. Who says impersonating a non-police MTA employee is a crime? No one has cited anything in the criminal code about that. It might be a crime, but I personally doubt it. I suspect it's only the thing you achieve through the impersonation (trespass, fraud, whatever) that's the crime.I believe that this says so. If you look at NY State penal law Artical S190.25 Which says: S 190.25 Criminal impersonation in the second degree. A person is guilty of criminal impersonation in the second degree when he: 1. Impersonates another and does an act in such assumed character with intent to obtain a benefit or to injure or defraud another; or 2. Pretends to be a representative of some person or organization and does an act in such pretended capacity with intent to obtain a benefit or to injure or defraud another; or 3. (a) Pretends to be a public servant, or wears or displays without authority any uniform, badge, insignia or facsimile thereof by which such public servant is lawfully distinguished, or falsely expresses by his words or actions that he is a public servant or is acting with approval or authority of a public agency or department; and (b) so acts with intent to induce another to submit to such pretended official authority, to solicit funds or to otherwise cause another to act in reliance upon that pretense. Criminal impersonation in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 21:47:24 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 1 21:38:46 2009. Who says impersonating a non-police MTA employee is a crime? No one has cited anything in the criminal code about that. It might be a crime, but I personally doubt it. I suspect it's only the thing you achieve through the impersonation (trespass, fraud, whatever) that's the crime.I believe that this says so. If you look at NY State penal law Artical S190.25 Which says: S 190.25 Criminal impersonation in the second degree. A person is guilty of criminal impersonation in the second degree when he: 1. Impersonates another and does an act in such assumed character with intent to obtain a benefit or to injure or defraud another; or 2. Pretends to be a representative of some person or organization and does an act in such pretended capacity with intent to obtain a benefit or to injure or defraud another; or 3. (a) Pretends to be a public servant, or wears or displays without authority any uniform, badge, insignia or facsimile thereof by which such public servant is lawfully distinguished, or falsely expresses by his words or actions that he is a public servant or is acting with approval or authority of a public agency or department; and (b) so acts with intent to induce another to submit to such pretended official authority, to solicit funds or to otherwise cause another to act in reliance upon that pretense. Criminal impersonation in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 21:48:55 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 1 21:25:05 2009. you're a fucking fucker who has shit for brains and a flower for a dick. you're a little man who couldn't cut it being a bus driver so they forced you to resign in shame and now you draw pictures for children for pennies. you're a disgrace to your friends and family. and you'll probably die of a heart attack while composing one of your stupid posts here. And I'd laugh at that. |
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Posted by TheHat on Thu Jan 1 21:49:21 2009, in response to Proof that it is a crime (was: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?), posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 21:47:24 2009. Thank you. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 21:49:50 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 13:03:03 2009. Now that I've posted NY Penal Law #S190.25, which clearly shaws that you are wrong, Will you now man up and admit that you are wrong? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 21:50:58 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 1 21:43:32 2009. I don't know that to be true. My wife is in the healthcare field and such a distinction is made within her organization. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 21:51:09 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by rionOne on Thu Jan 1 14:13:33 2009. The wearing of a TA uniform by non-TA personnel in this city is considered impersonation whether you believe it or notFalse. Show me the law or SHUT THE FUCK UP. And the fact that he was IN in unauthorized area of TA property IN a TA uniform, justifies as Impersonation. False, you have NO PROOF that he was in an unauthorized area. He very may well have had the permission of a TA employee to be there for that photo. Or he may not have. So STFU until you find out one way or the other. Obviously you don't care. You get your jollies from condemning others before you know the whole story. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 1 21:52:02 2009, in response to Proof that it is a crime (was: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?), posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 21:47:24 2009. 3. (a) Pretends to be a public servant, or wears or displays withoutauthority any uniform, badge, insignia or facsimile thereof by which such public servant is lawfully distinguished, or falsely expresses by his words or actions that he is a public servant or is acting with approval or authority of a public agency or department; and (b) so acts with intent to induce another to submit to such pretended official authority, to solicit funds or to otherwise cause another to act in reliance upon that pretense. Thanks for being intrepid enough to post the actual text that I was too lazy to before. What's easy to show is 3a; the moron did that himself! What can't be shown from what we have seen so far - but what seems to most of us more probable than not - is 3b. Being that this would be a criminal matter, however, 3b has to be shown to the criminal standard of proof. |
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Posted by MJF on Thu Jan 1 21:53:02 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 21:46:49 2009. Thanks, TD. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 21:56:03 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by rionOne on Thu Jan 1 17:20:19 2009. it when that thought process is wrong.Wrong? Wrong? No no no, my thought process is RIGHT. If you want to know about wrong, then you need to look no further than the time you claimed the R-110B cars were running on the (C). What kind of an idiotic thought process led you to that conclusion? Or how about the time you called Error a racial slur? Did you think really long and hard about that one?? Or most recently, when you made a disgustingly anti-Semitic post aimed at me, did you use correct thought processes? You need to calm down, get yourself together, and learn right from wrong before you make your last bad choice at a most inopportune time. |
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Posted by MJF on Thu Jan 1 21:58:18 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 21:51:09 2009. Until someone can prove otherwise, the photo stands on it's face value. He is wearing a mock TA uniform, he is in a cab, he is not in performance of his duties in that cab. Since you have no proof that he has authorization to be in that cab, I consider him to be trespassing.You're getting like Ron. Next time bring some evidence to the table to support your claims. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 22:02:16 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 21:56:03 2009. IIRC The R-110B DID run on the "C" for a short time (perhaps 1 or 2 trips) when one of the units was out of service. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 22:02:46 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Subterranean Railway on Thu Jan 1 13:43:06 2009. It is impossible to determine whether he is impersonating an MTA employee from the context of the photo alone.Yes, that is what I have been saying. Thank you. Agreed. Thank you again. The real issue here is that he's in a restricted area, MTA costume notwithstanding. That's an issue I have already addressed. I stated that it is not known at this time whether he was there with or without permission. So people condemning him without this knowledge are idiots. If it turns out he was trespassing, then condemn him all you want. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 22:03:30 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jan 1 13:50:04 2009. False, it was not lost at all. I addressed it SEVERAL times, and so did others. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Jan 1 22:04:11 2009, in response to Re: Proof that it is a crime (was: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?), posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 1 21:52:02 2009. 3b is actually very broad and encompasses a lot. Note the phrase "otherwise cause another to act in reliance upon that pretense."If he were to wear an MTA uniform to a Halloween party it would probably not be an issue but in a motorman's cab he is causing others to act in reliance on the pretense since he is causing them to believe he has the right to be there. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 1 22:04:42 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Subterranean Railway on Thu Jan 1 13:57:10 2009. People can get so hung up on semantics here and fail to see the forest from the trees...Yes, some can, however that did not happen in this case. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 1 22:04:51 2009, in response to Re: Is it me, or is Steven at it again?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 1 21:46:49 2009. OK, thanks. So wearing an MTA uniform to a Halloween party is fine, but wearing it to gain access to a restricted area is a crime in addition to the trespassing. |
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