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Posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 08:13:05 2010  Line: BMT Nassau St./Jamaica Line...Location: 111th Street... Route: BMT 15-Jamaica...Car: R-16 (American Car & Foundry, 1955)... Collection of: George Conrad Collection...from nycsubway.org  Line: BMT Nassau St./Jamaica Line,,,Location: Myrtle Avenue,,, Route: BMT 14....Car: R-16 (American Car & Foundry, 1955)... Collection of: George Conrad Collection...Date: 8/22/1963...from nycsubway.org  Line: BMT Nassau St./Jamaica Line...Location: Williamsburg Bridge...Route: BMT 15-Jamaica...Car: R-16 (American Car & Foundry, 1955)... Collection of: George Conrad Collection...Date: 7/5/1963...from nycsubway.org  Line: BMT Nassau St./Jamaica Line...Location: Broad Street... Route: BMT 15-Jamaica..Car: R-16 (American Car & Foundry, 1955)... Collection of: George Conrad Collection...Date: 4/8/1962...from n ycsubway.org Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Aug 10 09:33:05 2010, in response to [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 08:13:05 2010. Awesome photos! |
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Posted by Nabinut on Tue Aug 10 10:43:36 2010, in response to [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 08:13:05 2010. Cool Photos. When did MTA convert from numbers to letters? |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Tue Aug 10 10:50:17 2010, in response to [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 08:13:05 2010. Any of these in the 2011 calendar ?????? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Aug 10 11:15:05 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Nabinut on Tue Aug 10 10:43:36 2010. Original BMT routes had numbers. They changed to letters in the late 40s, IINM. IND routes were always lettered. Numbers started to appear on IRT routes in the 50s. All this was WAAAAY before the MTA appeared in 1968. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 11:18:05 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Hart Bus on Tue Aug 10 10:50:17 2010. Any of these in the 2011 calendar ??????No sir. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Aug 10 11:32:33 2010, in response to [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 08:13:05 2010. Thank you for posting these! I spent a lot of time riding Eastern Division trains as a child. I loved the second photo because most of the Broadway-Brooklyn Local service was provided by Standards. Only once in a while did I see a #14 line R-16. Don't know what the schedule for the skip-stops is now, but the first #15 afternoon rush hour express began at 3:30PM at Broad Street. The Myrtle Ave Express (with Multis or Standards) began at 4PM out of Chambers Street. It's great to relive those days! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 10 13:35:38 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Aug 10 11:15:05 2010. BMT number markings were officially dropped when the Chrystie St. connection opened. Letter markings were phased in beginning with the R-27s in 1960 and then on the Southern Division. Since the R-16s ran almost exclusively on the Three Stooges Division, you still saw number markings until 1967. I still remember wondering, "What's a 15?" when I rode on one such train for the first time on September 23 of that year. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 10 13:36:42 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Aug 10 11:32:33 2010. And that was before the R-16s became problematic. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue Aug 10 13:52:35 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 10 13:36:42 2010. Back around 1962 or so, there was a newspaper article entitled " Progress In Reverse" it was taken at 168th Street [?] in a blizzard with 2 AB Standards, talking about how the unreliable R16's with sticking doors and frozen interiors were transferred to the mostly underground 14th Street Canarsie Line. I would be interesting to see that article / photo again. |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Tue Aug 10 13:57:37 2010, in response to [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 08:13:05 2010. Nice pix!! I too wondered what was a #15. I remember the first time I saw them. When I was a kid, me & my parents were on the Q53 Triboro bus from Woodside to Rockaway. We'd be stopped at a red light at Jamaica Ave & Woodhaven Blvd and see a set pulling out of that sta signed # 15, wondering what happened to the #'s 8 thru 14?!.BTW, were delevered with sealed beams?? |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Aug 10 13:58:05 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Aug 10 11:15:05 2010. The BMT kept route numbers until the Chrystie merger of 1967 although the R-27s through 38s were delivered with letters which were used starting in 1960. The BMT letters for the Southern Division became semi official circa 1966 when signs were posted in BMT stations advising passengers to "know trains at a glance" and listing the new route letters. The change from route numbers to letters an a semi official policy seemed to coincide with the removal of the D types, which were the last cars on the Southern Division to use route numbers, from passenger service. |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Aug 10 16:18:31 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 10 13:35:38 2010. 'you still saw number markings until 1967'when I operated the 16's, if a number sign was available-I displayed it! this was during the eighties... |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Aug 10 18:20:08 2010, in response to [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 08:13:05 2010. Ah yes, vintage Stooges! (What Stooge was the #14?) I disliked them early on (before age 11) because I was too short to see out of the porthole storm window, but grew fond of them as time went by. Nice pics, and I remember the trapezoidal platform lites all up & down the Jama line (Myrtle still has 'em - repros!) too.wayne |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 19:13:32 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Aug 10 11:32:33 2010. Thank you for posting these!You're very welcome, sometimes we need to remind the young set how things used to be. I loved the second photo because most of the Broadway-Brooklyn Local service was provided by Standards. Only once in a while did I see a #14 line R-16. If the #14 (B'way B'klyn Lcl) was a local, why is it crossing over from the express to local track ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 19:19:03 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by fisk ave jim on Tue Aug 10 13:57:37 2010. BTW, were delevered with sealed beams??No, and they weren't painted gold when new. Just this one !  Line: BMT Nassau St./Jamaica Line...Location: Broadway/East New York... (Broadway Junction)... Route: BMT 15...Car: R-16 (American Car & Foundry, 1955)... Collection of: David Pirmann...Notes: Probably car 6318...from nycsubway.org Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 19:24:12 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Aug 10 18:20:08 2010. Ah yes, vintage Stooges! (What Stooge was the #14?)#14 = (KK)... Well, in the second remake, King Kong destroyed what looked like an R-16 !  Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Aug 10 23:47:27 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by fisk ave jim on Tue Aug 10 13:57:37 2010. Yea, these were the cars I took to work, I just liked the RFW that were open, a nice rush of tunnel air. Karl M |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Aug 11 04:22:38 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 10 13:35:38 2010. Thanks |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Aug 11 04:23:11 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Randyo on Tue Aug 10 13:58:05 2010. Thanks |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Aug 11 06:55:24 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Aug 10 18:20:08 2010. Seneca, Forest, Fresh Pond....and actually all the side platform stations had them too. I think Myrtle is the only one that still has them in repro anyway. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 11 07:51:36 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by monorail on Tue Aug 10 16:18:31 2010. There are photos of R-16 consists from that time period and some still had their original front number route curtains. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 11 07:52:51 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Randyo on Tue Aug 10 13:58:05 2010. I remember those Know Trains at a Glance signs - saw one at Whitehall St. in June of 1967. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 11 07:53:51 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue Aug 10 13:52:35 2010. Nothing could stop those BMT standards except perhaps a blizzard of epic proportions a la 1888 or 1947. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 11 07:54:27 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 19:13:32 2010. That's a good question.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 11 07:55:39 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Aug 10 18:20:08 2010. I'd say 14 was the sZemp, 15 was the Curly, 16 was the Larry and 10 was, of course, the Moe. |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Aug 11 23:19:21 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 11 07:51:36 2010. when the window wasn't covered, I usually displayed the right number.... |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Aug 11 23:20:21 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 11 07:53:51 2010. '47, maybe'88-they didn't exist then.... |
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Posted by JBar387 on Thu Aug 12 01:57:37 2010, in response to [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 08:13:05 2010. Ahh, well rode them in the 80's. But by then they were on the last legs! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 12 07:49:39 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by monorail on Wed Aug 11 23:20:21 2010. True. There is a photo of a BMT standard consist stranded at 9th Ave. during the 1947 blizzard. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Aug 12 12:26:19 2010, in response to [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 08:13:05 2010. Very nice, thank you for posting |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Thu Aug 12 13:10:21 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by JBar387 on Thu Aug 12 01:57:37 2010. The 16s were in bad shape by the early 70s when they mostly appeared on the EE and GG. It seems like they were retired by 1977 after a brief stint on the J. Then they magically reappeared in 1982 on the J and L. This is taking into account my having been away at college from September 1978 thru December 1981, including summers of '80 and '81. But it was well documented that their resurrection was because of the cracks in the 44/46 undercarriages.The last time I remember riding one was on the L from 8th Avenue to 1st Avenue on the day the Mets won their second World Series. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Aug 12 13:27:50 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by monorail on Wed Aug 11 23:19:21 2010. During the summer of 1969 when I worked the Culver shuttle for a week, I had one of those few R-16s equipped with Southern Div signs. I displayed 5/Culver on the head end of that train and it ran like that as long as that consist was in service. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 12 13:31:20 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Randyo on Thu Aug 12 13:27:50 2010. There is at least one photo of an R-16 consist running as a Ralph with a 2/4th Ave. front route sign. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Aug 12 13:33:05 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 12 13:31:20 2010. That might very well have been the same car I had on the Culver although there was more than one R-16 with Southern Div signs. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Aug 12 13:35:38 2010, in response to [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 08:13:05 2010. Very nice, thank you for posting |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 12 19:20:01 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Randyo on Thu Aug 12 13:33:05 2010. That might very well have been the same car I had on the Culver although there was more than one R-16 with Southern Div signs.Most of those R-16's had only eastern division number signs but a couple I saw had southern and eastern. I wonder where those signs came from ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 12 19:20:50 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Aug 12 13:35:38 2010. You're welcome.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 12 19:37:34 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 12 19:20:01 2010. R-11s, perhaps. They had Southern Division numbered signs. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 12 19:55:34 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 12 19:37:34 2010. R-11s, perhaps. They had Southern Division numbered signs.Nah, the collectors got those signs. Perhaps these were the signs used on the R-10's ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 13 00:45:19 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 19:13:32 2010. Did ya happen to notice the workers in the photo? Perhaps that would explain it!!! |
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Posted by JBar387 on Fri Aug 13 00:59:41 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Howard Fein on Thu Aug 12 13:10:21 2010. With the R-46 problem, The E and F got a few R-16's and R-10's. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 13 07:50:04 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by JBar387 on Fri Aug 13 00:59:41 2010. More than a few R-10s, actually. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 13 07:51:27 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 12 19:55:34 2010. Possibly, although it's hard to say if those R-10s had a full compliment of number markings or just the Three Stooges Division markings. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Aug 13 08:00:00 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 13 00:45:19 2010. Did ya happen to notice the workers in the photo? Perhaps that would explain it!!!I see trackmen on the opposite side of the structure. But wasn't the #14 a rush hour only service ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 13 08:16:03 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 13 07:51:27 2010. I can tell you that the R-10's did have at least a full amount of route and destination readings for the BMT Division for the *side* boxes. Many, many years ago at a Transit Museum auction/garage sale, I purchased from there two R-10 BMT Division side route roll signs at $50 each. Upon inspecting each of the rolls, I had noticed some dirt wear & tear around the "B'way-Jamaica Exp." and "B'way-Jamaica Lcl." area.The R-10's purchased and delivered as new in the late-1940's were capable of running on either the IND or BMT. One poster on this forum said he had seen a photo of newly delivered car #3000 that sported each a BMT Division front route and destination sign. As for the R-16's, I recall seeing front and side roll signs for the BMT at first for the Eastern Division only, but then with later attachment for the Southern Division's Brighton and 4th Avenue lines. -William A. Padron ["Queens Plaza"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 13 08:28:00 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 13 07:50:04 2010. Yeah, during their brief time in 1980-81, I rode the R-10's twenty times on the "E" and just six times on the "F". Also, I managed to get one complete Manhattan-bound ride with the R-10's on the "LL" back in February 1981, with car #3161 as the lead motor.-William A. Padron ["Hudson Terminal"] |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Aug 13 11:06:31 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Aug 13 08:00:00 2010. Bill: In the late fifties and early 60's the #14 was a rush hour service and it was a local but there could have been any number of reasons while it was running on the express track.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 13 13:36:00 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 13 08:28:00 2010. I hear those Thunderbirds really strutted their stuff in Queens. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 13 13:52:41 2010, in response to [OLDE PHOTOS] For Those Who Luv R-16's, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 08:13:05 2010. I love these pics, but for me, this is what the R16 was:     (especially at the end)    Too bad there isn't a good pic of their horrid interiors at the end, with the layers of grafitti and their asphalt patched floors. |
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