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Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 00:29:53 2009  Looking west we find a Pink line train entering the Loop seconds after a Green line train left. For the weekend closedown, Green and Pink line trains will turn, using the Wells Street side of the Loop. Orange and Brown line trains will link up, turning at Lake and Wells to use the Lake Street side of the Loop.   These two photos are looking north.... this would be the scene from the front of a northbound Green or a westbound Pink line train during the reroute. We'll turn to the left, from Wells to Lake Streets.  Now we're looking south. This would be from a southbound linked Orange/Brown train. We'll turn to the left onto Lake Street during the reroute. The reroutes will mean no switch throwing by hand at all. There will be no straight moves across any other routes either. Flagmen will be posted due to the limited visibility around curves. This coming weekend, Tower 18 in Chicago at Lake and Wells is scheduled to be no more. Over the weekend, the controls will be moved to a temporary location at the head of a new bungalow constructed at track level between Lake ST and Randolph. A clever scheme that maintains weekend service for the Pink, Green, Orange and Brown lines should be approved this week. David Harrison |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Oct 26 00:30:58 2009, in response to Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 00:29:53 2009. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 00:37:25 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by G1Ravage on Mon Oct 26 00:30:58 2009. YES, YES, YES,But this is not the first time that the tower building at Tower 18 has been torn down and built anew. David Harrison |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 26 00:42:53 2009, in response to Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 00:29:53 2009. Always nice to see the Loop junctions. |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Mon Oct 26 00:52:17 2009, in response to Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 00:29:53 2009. Great shots and interesting info on the CTA's equivalent of a weekend G.O. |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Oct 26 01:18:47 2009, in response to Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 00:29:53 2009. Dave,I had no idea this was going to happen, and I work there. On my Friday loopers I'll be sure to hand my camera to one of my passengers and a get a couple of good shots. |
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Chicago speed limit questions |
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Posted by gbs on Mon Oct 26 02:51:58 2009, in response to Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 00:29:53 2009. I notice the speed limit signs are quite different from ours in NYC.Are there signals on timers to enforce them, like here? If so, do the signals clear at or near the posted limits, or are the limit signs just fantasies (like here), and the trains actually must go much slower than the posted signs for the signals to clear? |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 26 04:24:27 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 00:37:25 2009. Based on what I know about Chicago's location numbering scheme, wouldn't the new interlocking facility still be called "Tower 18?" |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Oct 26 08:35:46 2009, in response to Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 00:29:53 2009. This coming weekend, Tower 18 in Chicago at Lake and Wells is scheduled to be no more. Over the weekend, the controls will be moved to a temporary location at the head of a new bungalow constructed at track level between Lake ST and Randolph. A clever scheme that maintains weekend service for the Pink, Green, Orange and Brown lines should be approved this week.Is a new building being built at Lake/Wells, or is the tower moving away from the junction forever? |
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Re: Chicago speed limit questions |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 10:27:08 2009, in response to Chicago speed limit questions, posted by gbs on Mon Oct 26 02:51:58 2009. There are two kinds of speed limit signs, black on yellow and black on white...all MPH, no stupid metrics. Simply stated, the white signs give speed limits that don't conform to the cab signal limit, like a 20 MPH curve in 25 MPH cab signal.All CTA "L" trains operate with cab signals that display the permitted speed limit and the actual trains speed. A beeping sound is heard whenever the speed limit changes and the operator has about 2.5 seconds to go to brake #2. If a brake position is not made within that time, a penalty stop is enforced. The cab signal has set limits at 70, 55, 35, 25, 15, and stop. Signal maintainers set the speeds trackside. A 55 MPH could be turned down to, say 35 MPH, due to track conditions. The maximum speeds are typically 55 MPH although there are stretches on the median lines where a 70 MPH is given. Trains currently have a top speed of 58 MPH when "overspeed" would kick in, cutting off power and coasting until the train slowed to 52 MPH. All Chicago "L" trains have a 70 MPH capability. David Harrison |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 10:27:57 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by randyo on Mon Oct 26 04:24:27 2009. That's an affirmative.David Harrison |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 10:34:35 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by randyo on Mon Oct 26 04:24:27 2009. I forgot, I know of one instance where an interlocking had a name change. The crossover in the State Subway was renamed Clybourn/Division interlocking. No one could pronounce Goethe interlocking.David Harrison |
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Re: Chicago speed limit questions |
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Posted by milan1834 on Mon Oct 26 12:27:02 2009, in response to Re: Chicago speed limit questions, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 10:27:08 2009. Thanks for the info about CTA train speeds. Velly intellesting! |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 26 12:29:33 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 10:34:35 2009. Gatey according to my late aunt is how bus drivers called it along w/ sky lur (Schillet) |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 26 12:33:05 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Mon Oct 26 00:52:17 2009. Indeed, excellent views as always. |
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Re: Chicago speed limit questions |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Oct 26 13:31:02 2009, in response to Re: Chicago speed limit questions, posted by milan1834 on Mon Oct 26 12:27:02 2009. I remember riding on a 2200-series train in 1982 that hit 65 in the median of the Kennedy Expressway. |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 26 13:35:01 2009, in response to Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 00:29:53 2009. Jesus Christ, how the hell can they run service with such complicated at-grade junctions? |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 13:35:05 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 26 12:29:33 2009. Not close."GURH--TAH" or something close. It's German. David Harrison |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 13:35:59 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 26 12:33:05 2009. Thank you.David Harrison |
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Re: Chicago speed limit questions |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 13:41:10 2009, in response to Re: Chicago speed limit questions, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Oct 26 13:31:02 2009. Man, that was nearly thirty years ago. Unless you were included in a testing situation, that would mean that the train overspeed malfunctioned, not to mention the cab signals. Of course the train could have been on bypass overriding the cab signals. Perhaps the motorman was lying or the speedometer was defect.David Harrison |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 13:46:56 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 26 13:35:01 2009. Three routes can go through at the same time...Orange around the corner, Brown around the other corner, and a second Brown straight onto the Loop. There are quite a number of two train combinations, including any two straight moves....inbound and outbound Green or inbound Brown and outbound Purple.The beauty of the reroute is that no switches need be thrown, no home signals are needed, nothing crosses the path of any other route. David Harrison |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 26 14:11:57 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 26 13:35:01 2009. At one time this was the WORLD's highest throughput rail junction. |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 14:33:17 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 26 14:11:57 2009. "Throughput"...now that's an interesting term.Does it mean in layman's language, "Worlds Busiest Railroad Junction" which was the popular description of Tower 18 up until 1943 when the city' first subway opened, relieving the Loop "L" of the Jackson Park-Howard-Evanston and the Englewood/Normal Park- Ravenswood routes. David Harrison |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 26 16:30:47 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 10:34:35 2009. From what I have read in CERA's publications only the loop had that type of numbering scheme and it was not used anywhere else on the Chicago system. |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by seabeachexpress on Mon Oct 26 16:46:58 2009, in response to Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 00:29:53 2009. I am so glad I got to ride CTA in 2005 & 06 before they took the tower down. It is the best interlocking plant of all the heavy-rail transit systems in the country. Thanks for sharing these great shots. I am disapointed there are no real good pictures on the net of the Met Line split at Marshfield JCT also the Met line connection with the loop. I have seen some good ones where the met line crossed the lake st line. I took the pink line in 06 and the curve from the Paulina connector to lake st line is tight and a bit scary. I guess that was the connection that was built in the 50's during the Congress Expressway construction. |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Oct 26 16:49:13 2009, in response to Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 00:29:53 2009. I love the layout of these tracks! |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 26 16:52:41 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by Mitch45 on Mon Oct 26 16:49:13 2009. Imagine if el demolition fever swept Chicago like it did here in the 1930's. This is proof the NY el system could have been retained in some form. |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 20:04:06 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by seabeachexpress on Mon Oct 26 16:46:58 2009. SBE....not to worry. Although the tower is coming down, the track work, signals, routes, will remain. And a new tower structure will replace the present one. What is happening this weekend is that the interlocking plant controls are being moved to make way for the tower come-down.David Harrison |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 26 20:12:18 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 14:33:17 2009. precisely. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 26 20:16:27 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 26 16:52:41 2009. well, in fact there was some noise like that in the 50s. Chicago has many proposed but never built subways--Monroe St and others were supposed to allow demolition of the Loop. Thjey will all be completed in time for the full SAS opening. |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Mon Oct 26 21:38:47 2009, in response to Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 00:29:53 2009. I guess all good things must come to an end...."The busiest railroad junction in the world" was it's claim to fame at one time. Lee |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Oct 26 22:13:57 2009, in response to Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 00:29:53 2009. Impressive!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 22:45:10 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 26 00:42:53 2009. Thanks. Nicer still to know that there's nothing on the horizon planning their demolition with new subway construction.David Harrison |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 22:47:42 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Oct 26 08:35:46 2009. New building, supposedly with a stairway down to the streets. Tower operators won't have to walk down the catwalks or stop road trains to hitch a ride. No public access to that stairway though.David Harrison |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 22:49:08 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by Fred G on Mon Oct 26 22:13:57 2009. Thanks pal. I'll give you the news first....the 2009 Holiday Train will operate again on the "L".David Harrison |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Oct 27 01:27:17 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Oct 26 01:18:47 2009. thanks for ignoring me. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 27 10:06:39 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Oct 27 01:27:17 2009. I wasn't ignoring you, LOL. I'm checking my schedule to free up some time to ride with you. Also checking the weather for what chance we have of having sunshine on Sunday. Give me your SB times at Howard.David Harrison |
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Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos) |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Oct 27 11:37:22 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 27 10:06:39 2009. Dave, I was being somewhat facetious. I thought were mad at me for some of my earlier posts. I work Skokie Sun. thru Thur. and 2 evening loopers on the Evanston every Friday. Thanks for scoop on T 18. I could not find any bullitens on it, but I did ask the transportation manager at large for the red line, (don't you love these titles) and he confirmed it. |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Tue Oct 27 17:24:49 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 13:35:05 2009. > Not close."GURH--TAH" or something close. It's German. This calls to mind a cartoon that appeared in Chicago Magazine maybe 30 years ago. The drawing shows a cabbie talking to his obviously upscale passenger couple: "For the last time, I'm tellin' ya there _ain't_ no Gerta Street!" Alan Follett |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Oct 27 18:58:07 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Oct 26 22:49:08 2009. They have a lot of nerve operating that holiday train after 2,000 transit workers received layoff notices. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 27 19:10:17 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Oct 27 18:58:07 2009. oh, please! |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 27 20:14:07 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Oct 27 18:58:07 2009. If memory serves me correctly, CMM, you made the same statement two years ago. Face facts...we do not know how the train is funded. The work on the train and the participants are supposedly voluntary. Plus, you are forgetting all the good the train does. And in these hard times, the real costs of the train hardly would keep any laid off employees at work. The train is not the problem....the funding of transit IS.Still your friend though...and the weather this weekend is predicted to be horrible. David Harrison |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Oct 28 00:32:06 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 27 19:10:17 2009. oh please what? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Oct 28 00:32:07 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 27 19:10:17 2009. oh please what? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Oct 28 00:32:07 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 27 19:10:17 2009. oh please what? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 28 02:07:07 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Oct 28 00:32:07 2009. once, only, I see no moral disconnect between the layoffs (caused by a mix of suburban/downstate stinginess and the general economic mess) and running a holiday train. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 28 09:01:42 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by Alan Follett on Tue Oct 27 17:24:49 2009. "GURH--TAH" or something close. It's German.There's no "r" sound in it, but the "oe" is pronounced like there's an r coming, almost like a New Englander saying "Gurta." This calls to mind a cartoon that appeared in Chicago Magazine maybe 30 years ago. The drawing shows a cabbie talking to his obviously upscale passenger couple: "For the last time, I'm tellin' ya there _ain't_ no Gerta Street!" The automated announcements on the buses say "Gerta." My wife insists that the "correct Chicago pronunciation" (i.e., the way everyone is supposed to mispronounce it) is "Gothee" (and similarly, "Byuenna Park"). |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Oct 28 10:33:09 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 28 02:07:07 2009. I feel it is in bad taste to run this train during this crisis. No money for service, yet money for an amusement park ride. I do agree with you on the suburban/downstate stinginess, I'll also add Daley and his aldermen to that. In other words, cta needs a higher subsidy from the city. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Oct 28 11:41:00 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 27 20:14:07 2009. Dave,I thought we would never have this holiday train conversation again. Unfortunatly we are again at another transit funding crossroads, sooner than I thought. I feel that reguardless of how the train is funded, it is an an insult to the over 2000 people who got layoff notices. It gives the impression that an amusement park ride is more important than service. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Oct 28 13:29:51 2009, in response to Re: Tower 18 R.I.P. (Photos), posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Oct 28 11:41:00 2009. Thanks for your response. And there are probably many other CTA employees who feel as you do. But given the huge numbers of laid off workers nationwide...in bad times do we stop any and all extra curricular activities altogether. Should we just cancel Christmas? In the end it will be a personal decision, but hopefully we will remain tolerant and respectful when we decide.David Harrison |
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