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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 22:25:24 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 22:20:10 2008. How do you know this???? People will take the hell ride on the (A) - as you put it - to save $5, when you claim they would never take the hell ride on the old buses? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 22:26:14 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 20:12:11 2008. The $5 toll is totally unnecessary and uncalled for.I don't agree with that at all. We are not going to agree on this topic. Apparently neiher of us are going to change our thinking on this. I'm not disputing that. I'm not disputing whether people are refusing, or even don't want to pay the $5. I'm saying that the charge is BAD TRANSPORTATION POLICY. How often do you talk to people about transportation policy??? I don't agree with that. I don't find the AirTrain situation to be the horror that a few people here at SubChat make it out to be. Apparently most of the people using it don't find it a horror situation either. Why do you have so much trouble sticking to the issue raised??? The only issue is that people should not be charged to enter airport property!!! Because I am addressing the "issues". They are NOT being charged to enter airport property. They are getting charged to use AirTrain to enter the property. If they don't want to use AirTrain to come to the airport, they can come a different way which doesn't use AirTrain. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 17 22:28:31 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 22:26:14 2008. Maybe Brian would feel better if the fare were collected right at the platform doors to AirTrain. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 22:28:40 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 20:15:47 2008. The "issue" raised is not an issue (except to a few people here at SubChat). People are not charged to enter the airport, they are charged to use AirTrain to enter the property at that particular location. If they don't want to use AirTrain to enter the property, they can take the Q10 or some other bus. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 22:30:20 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 22:26:14 2008. I don't agree with that. I don't find the AirTrain situation to be the horror that a few people here at SubChat make it out to be. Apparently most of the people using it don't find it a horror situation either.You TOTALLY missed my point. I said "bad transportation policy". Focus on that. They are NOT being charged to enter airport property. YES THEY ARE. Everyone except you and Ron in this thread, AFAIK, is agreeing with me on this. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 22:36:15 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 22:28:40 2008. The "issue" raised is not an issue (except to a few people here at SubChat).Again I ask how often you discuss "transportation policy" with others. Because if you are just talking about the state of airtrain with your long island buddies, this issue will NEVER COME UP, FOR GOOD REASON! So stop brining that as proff that no one cares about this issue! People are not charged to enter the airport Yes they are! they are charged to use AirTrain No they're not! Others can use it for free there!!!! Driving. Walking. Getting droppped off. f they don't want to use AirTrain to enter the property They aren't using airtrain to enter the property! airtrain is already ON THE PROPERTY! They are using the pedestrian bridge to enter the property!!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 22:37:48 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 20:20:43 2008. No I'm not. I'm talking about existing conditions, to refute Chris's [ridiculous] claim that the alternative to the $5 fare at HB would have been to not build the HB branch at all.And with all due respect, I find the "charged to enter the airport" notion "ridiculous". And I didn't bring that up, Charles did, and I happen to find that to be a very viable reason (or at least one of them) for the charge at HB, as well as the building of that entire leg. I have no idea. Why does that matter? And if it did increase, super! That's GOOD TRANSPORTATION POLICY!. Because it would no doubt cannibalize the E's collection at Jamaica. Along the 8th Ave line there would no longer be a "choice" of which subway train to take. They would mostly all take the A because it was "free". That would eat away at the money collected at Jamaica via the E, as well as them losing the money they would have collected at HB. Gets people out of cars and buses and onto the rails The $5 collected at HB is not going to change a significant amount of people from opting against using their car, and instead use AirTrain. People are either going to use their car or they are not. If I was going to use public transportation to go to the airport, the $5 or lack there of would not be stopping me. The parking fees are way more than that anyway if I was planning to leave my car at the airport. And if it just shifted people away from the Jamaica branch, which would seem unlikely, at least in significant numbers, that would just prove that Chris and others are wrong when they says that no one dislikes the $5 toll to access the airport property at HB. If I am standing at the 42nd St station and I had the choice of a free train at HB taking the A or a $5 train at Jamaica taking the E, of COURSE I would "like" the A better. That proves absolutely nothing. I would love to ride the A train free entering the subway to begin with too, but doesn't mean that makes any sense to make the subway free. Of COURSE people would like "free" better. 100% of people would say that. That doesn't mean charging for a service is "wrong". Let the whole subway be free then because people would like that better. That makes no sense either. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun Feb 17 22:41:02 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 20:30:16 2008. I've looked at the aerial map, and measured the distance between stations (3/10 of a mile).What is most noticeable in any of the online satellite photos (MapQuest, Google Maps and Yahoo! -- all were taken at different times, but all show the same pattern) is that very few cars bother to wander all the way down to the Howard Beach station. While there are cars parked in the spots closest to the station, the overwhelming majority of spots in that section of the lot are empty. For most days of the year, the lot south of the Lefferts Blvd station handles the long-term parking needs of JFK quite well. The long-term lot at JFK continues to be served by a shuttle bus system that takes people from the far reaches of the lot to the Lefferts Blvd station. As such, having two stations (one of which is in a section of the lot that is rarely utilized) seems unnecessary. IINM, the shuttle buses within the long-term lots at EWR were eliminated when the AirTrain there opened (at least that was the plan -- I took up my final roots from NJ in 1995, about when it was opening and haven't been in the long-term lots there since). As a final note, my experience with the Lefferts Blvd station is that the great majority of passengers are not headed for the long-term lot, but are instead headed for the employee lots. That doesn't have anything to do with the issue at hand -- but is an observation that is counter to what everyone else posting in this thread seems to have observed. (Of course, I often wonder how many people on SubChat are posting from actual facts or experience and how many are just spouting off theories from 1,212 miles away.) (bonus points to anyone who knows the significance of 1,212 miles) |
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Posted by JohnL on Sun Feb 17 22:48:52 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 17 22:23:36 2008. The Long-Term lot rates are $15/day (segmented at 8-hour intervals after the first day). The Short-Term lot rates are more complicated but they top out at $30/day.I would maybe up those a little, but the rates are in the ballpark. I think that there is also an airport surcharge for taxi service (is that arriving or just departing?). The big problem at JFK, as at most airports, is private automobiles dropping passengers off. Typically it’s one or two people, they take their time with the luggage, and they cause backups all along the Van Wyck and Belt Parkways. I’d like to see their costs split out and charged separately. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun Feb 17 22:49:18 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 22:37:48 2008. Just to clarify, my question (and I don't have the answer but I lean toward the answer being "not") is whether or not the Howard Beach station needed to be built. I think it is plainly obvious that the branch needed to built at least as far as the Lefferts Blvd. station. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun Feb 17 22:52:58 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by JohnL on Sun Feb 17 22:48:52 2008. I don't believe there is any taxi surcharge. Certainly not on arrivals at the airport. It is possible there is something built into the flat rate charged for passengers to the city. Still, I'm not sure how they would collect it -- unless they were collecting it from the drivers in the dispatching lot. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 17 23:14:32 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by JohnL on Sun Feb 17 22:48:52 2008. I have not taken a taxi to Kennedy in a long time. I have taken cabs from LaGuardia. I don't remember whether the yellows charged me a surcharge. I offered an extra tip for help with bags.The assholes who run illegal car services are always trying to take your bag at the baggage claim. This is the service where they tell you one fare, then, when in the car, they double it. Refuse to pay, and instead of dropping you off at your place, the car will drive to another part of town you don't want, kick you out on the street and keep your luggage as a souvenir. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 23:14:59 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 20:30:22 2008. Look at an aerial map. The long term lot is huge. I can't see them only building one station to serve that whole lot.Of course they could have, they could have looped it around in a much more efficent manner, not going out of their way over that marsh, and putting the Howard beach station out of the way, at the extreme end of the parkinglot, on the other side of that marsh. They did it that way to bring it to Howard Beach at the same time. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 23:22:41 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 22:19:58 2008. Parasite? Come on. Many of you say that no one takes the bus from the subway to beat the $5 toll. So why are you now saying that people would take a "hell ride" on the (A) instead of a fast ride on the (E) if they would get rid of the $5 toll.Taking the A is not a "hell ride" if comparing it to a bus like the Q10. THAT is a hell ride. Yes, if there was a choice between (to AirTrain) a $5 E and a $5 A as there is now, the E is the best of the group. If the A was free if the FARE (not toll) was eliminated, and the E $5, the A becomes more attractive because while it's slightly longer, it's not even close to attempting to taking the A to Lefferts to the stairs to a hell bus ride. That's not worth saving $5, but taking the A instead of the E for $5 may be. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 23:23:04 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Charles G on Sun Feb 17 22:52:58 2008. LINK |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 23:24:04 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Charles G on Sun Feb 17 22:49:18 2008. If it wouldn't have been built, would the only station for the area have been built in a different locations? Closer to HB? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 23:26:04 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 22:25:24 2008. That is correct. A seemless rail connection (even if one slightly longer than the other - E vs A) is eons better than anything that involves a bus. As again, once with a bus, the Q10 is at the mercy of traffic. (But we have already discussed that, so no need repeating that, except when someone appears to be grasping at straws, and twisting things I said out of context). |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun Feb 17 23:28:24 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 23:24:04 2008. Obviously this is only speculation, but I think that the topography of the land is such that it may very well have been built in exactly the same spot that it is now.Figure that you'd want to have easy road access for a kiss-and-ride, access to an employee lot that is seperate from the long-term lot and the current location of the Lefferts station seems like the most obvious. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 23:30:01 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 23:14:59 2008. How? Look at the layout of the lots! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 23:31:39 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 22:30:20 2008. You TOTALLY missed my point. I said "bad transportation policy". Focus on that.No I didn't. I don't agree that it is bad policy. I find the AirTrain a much better system that that which it replaced. YES THEY ARE. Everyone except you and Ron in this thread, AFAIK, is agreeing with me on this. Now THAT was uncalled for. Don't you lump me together with Ron just because I don't agree with you on this particular topic, and in this particular case happen to somewhat agree with Ron. That is not a fair tactic at all, trying to make it see that the only people that would think other that you on this topic would be "people like Ron" which is exactly what you are implying. First off, that's not true, there are other people in this thread that do not agree with your assessment. Second, I am sure there are plenty of people on this board that wouldn't touch this friggen topic with a 10 foot pole (like I am sorry no I even got incolved in it again) because of always happens with this damn airtrain topic. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 23:34:48 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 23:22:41 2008. Ok, you are starting to convince me that maybe a shift would happen. But that just explains maybe WHY the ped toll at HB was put in place. But it doesn't JUSTIFY it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 23:35:42 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Charles G on Sun Feb 17 23:28:24 2008. You could be right. But maybe they'd have built two stations in other places than where the two stations are today. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun Feb 17 23:36:07 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 23:31:39 2008. "...because of always happens with this damn airtrain topic"My first inclination when I saw the topic a week ago was to blindly type the response "I don't know, but I'll bet this thread is still going strong a week from now". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 23:36:58 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 22:36:15 2008. Because if you are just talking about the state of airtrain with your long island buddies, this issue will NEVER COME UP, FOR GOOD REASON!First off I have much better things to talk about with my "Long Island Buddies" than friggen AirTrain. And I don't know what exactly you are implying with that statement. What difference does it make where I live in discussing this topic. I know perfectly well the operation of AirTrain at both Jamaica and Howard Beach, so I don't know why a statement like that would even be made. So stop brining that as proff that no one cares about this issue! Okay, now forgetting the first part of that post (which was unnecesary to this discussion), show me one item....just one, that shows there is a concern about the set up there. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 23:39:32 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 23:31:39 2008. No I didn't. I don't agree that it is bad policy. I find the AirTrain a much better system that that which it replaced.It's not the system! It's how they are implementing it! First off, that's not true, there are other people in this thread that do not agree with your assessment [about it being a ped toll to get on the property with the actual branch being free]. Who? Second, I am sure there are plenty of people on this board that wouldn't touch this friggen topic with a 10 foot pole That's why I specifically wrote "in this thread". We can't talk about everyone else who hasn't posted... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 17 23:40:26 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 23:34:48 2008. You didn't specify whether left, center or right justified. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 23:43:12 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Charles G on Sun Feb 17 22:41:02 2008. What is most noticeable in any of the online satellite photos (MapQuest, Google Maps and Yahoo! -- all were taken at different times, but all show the same pattern) is that very few cars bother to wander all the way down to the Howard Beach station. While there are cars parked in the spots closest to the station, the overwhelming majority of spots in that section of the lot are empty.That's exactly what I was going to post too with local.live.comm images, but then halfway through the post decided to forget it, as this topic has become a friggen drag just like every other time it comes up. I don't know what possesed me to even get involved in it again. Notice most people don't even touch AirTrain threads, and with good reason. They suck just as much as the old HB shuttle bus. All they do is piss people off. As a final note, my experience with the Lefferts Blvd station is that the great majority of passengers are not headed for the long-term lot, but are instead headed for the employee lots. That doesn't have anything to do with the issue at hand -- but is an observation that is counter to what everyone else posting in this thread seems to have observed. I agree with that assesment. (Of course, I often wonder how many people on SubChat are posting from actual facts or experience and how many are just spouting off theories from 1,212 miles away.) Yeah, I get....and just because I don't agree with about 5 people on the SubChat board (on this particular topic), the ron-card was pulled out against me too. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 23:43:36 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 23:36:58 2008. First off I have much better things to talk about with my "Long Island Buddies" than friggen AirTrain. And I don't know what exactly you are implying with that statement. What difference does it make where I live in discussing this topic. I know perfectly well the operation of AirTrain at both Jamaica and Howard Beach, so I don't know why a statement like that would even be made.Because you keep saying that no one cares about this issue except for us! So who do you talk to about this issue that gives you the impression that no one cares? My guess is that the people you talk to on a daily basis who would even have any inkling of a care about this issue are the people you know on long island! Right? Okay, now forgetting the first part of that post (which was unnecesary to this discussion), show me one item....just one, that shows there is a concern about the set up there. you said people will flock to the free entry point. Obviously they all care then! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 23:46:00 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Charles G on Sun Feb 17 22:49:18 2008. I understand, and I agree to leave it as a rhetorical question....but judging by the position of it relative the lot, there are a lot better places it could have been put to serve the LOT than where it was built. I'll leave it at that. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 23:46:13 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 23:43:12 2008. Stop taking the Ron thing so personally! You two are the only two who don't seem to agree that it is a pedestrian toll and not a fare to ride a free circulator. If I'm wrong, please show me who else agrees with you and ron, and I will apologize!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 23:56:17 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 23:43:36 2008. you said people will flock to the free entry point. Obviously they all care then!People would love to ride the subway for free too. They care! OBVIOUSLY, people will always chose free over not free (for the same service, don't bring the buses into this again). If you ask someone at Howard Breach a simple question, "Would you rather ride for free", they will ALWAYS say "Yes". But you can ask them that at Jamaica. You can asked them that about the subway at any fare control. You can ask them that when the conductor is taking a Metro North or LIRR ticket. They will always answer "Yes". So if the question is, would they rather it be free, and do they care if it's free or not, the answer will be "Yes". |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Feb 17 23:59:13 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 23:35:42 2008. If at least one of those locations wouldn't be Howard Beach, that's where the claim on your side runs aground. It's speculative business on any side, but I'm just not seeing a knockdown argument on your side for why the PA would make it very easy to connect to Airtrain from NYCT at Howard Beach while not charging a fee for such service.I'm interested to know what position you take on the issue of SIR installing faregates at Tompkinsville and St George, but not at any other station - would you think that unfair? If so, do you find it unfair for the same or different reasons you believe the Howard beach Airtrain fare to be unfair? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 00:04:25 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 23:46:13 2008. You know you only said that to make it appear, "How can you be the only one that would agree with Ron"....meaning it would be a dumb position to take.There are people in this thread that don't think AirTrain is wrong in charging at HB. Charles gave good reasons why they may. SMAZ agreed. And a sample of 6m perhaps 7, people participating in this thread at the time I write this (6 loonies if you ask me, myself included, as no one else is crazy enough to ever talk about AirTrain here anymore) is hardly a goood representation of the SubChat community's position on this topic. But with that I will apologize for overreacting, as I lost my temper when I saw that ron card played, as well as the long island buddies comment. Just be happy I didn't post what at that moment I was about to post! :) |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 18 00:04:40 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 23:46:13 2008. You two are the only two who don't seem to agree that it is a pedestrian toll and not a fare to ride a free circulator.I'm unclear on what your position is, specifically, other than this certain label. Couldn't one just deny your label and say that it's not a 'pedestrian toll' but instead just enforcement for Howard Beach farebeaters? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 18 00:10:43 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by R30A on Sun Feb 17 21:41:29 2008. I don't have to assume that, actually, since under the hypothetical discussed, no one would be paying a fare at Howard Beach. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Feb 18 00:12:17 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 23:56:17 2008. Well, actually, some people like LIRR fares to be high enough so they keep "riff-raff" off the trains. I'm not supporting this assertion, just observing that they sometimes say this. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:16:31 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 17 23:56:17 2008. But if you tell them there is a free way that involves the A to the Q10 that only takes a little but longer, will they do it? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 18 00:17:34 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 17 22:04:47 2008. If you'd rather not pay the $5, then would you today take the A to lefferts and the Q10 to JFK?No. I'm willing to pay up to $5 fare for Airtrain. Therefore, I'm logically also willing to pay $0 fare for Airtrain too. There's no entailment that I'd ride the bus - you'd need some extra premises for that. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 18 00:18:59 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Feb 18 00:12:17 2008. Well, actually, some people like LIRR fares to be high enough so they keep "riff-raff" off the trains.In that case, the plan's not working.... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:19:15 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Feb 17 23:59:13 2008. If at least one of those locations wouldn't be Howard Beach, that's where the claim on your side runs aground. It's speculative business on any side, but I'm just not seeing a knockdown argument on your side for why the PA would make it very easy to connect to Airtrain from NYCT at Howard Beach while not charging a fee for such service.Why should they make it very easy. IF they are hell bent on having a ped toll or no direction connection, then let the people walk halfway through the parking lot to the station. I'm interested to know what position you take on the issue of SIR installing faregates at Tompkinsville and St George, but not at any other station - would you think that unfair? If so, do you find it unfair for the same or different reasons you believe the Howard beach Airtrain fare to be unfair? That's deep. I can't go starting on this whole new train of thought now. I'll try to answer this tomorrow. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 00:20:10 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:16:31 2008. No, as then you are adding that bus at the mercy of traffic, not to mention schlepping luggage around. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:22:35 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 00:04:25 2008. You know you only said that to make it appear, "How can you be the only one that would agree with Ron"....meaning it would be a dumb position to take.No, I didn't. I'm sorry you see it that way. There are people in this thread that don't think AirTrain is wrong in charging at HB. Charles gave good reasons why they may. SMAZ agreed. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about agreeing that right or wrong, it is a pedestrian toll and not a direct fee to ride airtrain from the parking lot. But with that I will apologize for overreacting, as I lost my temper when I saw that ron card played, as well as the long island buddies comment. Just be happy I didn't post what at that moment I was about to post! :) No need to apologize, as no offense was taken! I know this is a high stakes thread :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:24:59 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 18 00:17:34 2008. If you're willing to pay $5, then why would you take the (A) over the (E) if you are in the part of midtown from which you would normally take the (E) since it is faster? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:26:18 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 18 00:18:59 2008. obviously. seriously, why does Ron even post...? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:27:15 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 00:20:10 2008. Not everyone is schlepping large amounts of luggage. And there isn't always traffic. And some people arrive early enough that they can tolerate some traffic related delays. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 18 00:27:30 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:24:59 2008. Because I can save $10 (roundtrip) AND ride Airtrain. My ride's a bit longer, but I've just made lunch money for another day. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 18 00:29:02 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:26:18 2008. I've actually (over)heard that reason Ron described. My point is literally that the plan to keep riff raff off trains isn't working. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 00:33:15 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:27:15 2008. Well then the answer is still no. The A train via Lefferts is not a viabale alternative to the A at Howard Beach via AirTrain. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:36:40 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 18 00:33:15 2008. huh? I took it. It was great. No problems at all. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 18 00:37:29 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 18 00:27:30 2008. You could take the A to lefferts for the Q10 today and accomplish the same thing... |
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